[OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia - Town Scarred as Mafia Wins!

[TimWoodbury]

Anyways, this argument isn't going to get us anywhere, I'll continue fighting against it, whether you agree with it or not, I don't really care, it's already a horse that was beaten half dead in another game. I'm not going to argue it any further than I already have.

If it comes down to lynching someone are you going to vote or are you still gonna be no vote/no lunch?

[mandalorian2298]

Back from Greece. Should be more productive henceforth!

DDS isn't the only one who likes no-lynching on the first day. By day 2, town power roles will be able to help steer the town in a better direction, even if they don't come out and say what information they gained during the night. A lynch at this point is completely random and will most likely hit town, not scum.

If you consider the bigger picture then it really shouldn't matter if you're for or against a No Lynch on Day 1, because there's enough pros and cons for either point for there to never be an ideal choice. I don't think I've ever voted someone specifically for their stance on this issue.
Statistically the argument probably falls for Pro No D1 Lynch, but personally I quite like the info you get from near-lynch debates, so I'm kinda constantly on the fence about it.

QFT

DDS has explained his position, which he also did in BNI. I disagree with the playstyle, but one must acknowledge other playstyles. I don't like how mandy is conducting himself at this point. I'll agree to having skimmed a lot of the lynch-no lynch argument because I've read it one million times and nothing new ever emerges (which is why I have my viewpoint).
1 Mandy tries to make something out of nothing in a DDS quote.
2 Mandy votes DDS for having a different style of play.

@Mandy, what gives? Why are you on DDS so much? In my view, your behaviour is the scummiest at this point (of the people who have actually contributed).

You are committing grey fallacy by assuming that just because the position advocated by DDS (let's No lynch on Day 1) opposes my own that both positions are equally valid. They are not. My position is the cornerstone of solid approach to playing Town while his position is something that a showoffy Scum might try to sell in a game with particularly meek and gullible Townies so that he can brag about it later.

The fact that this is DDS' standard approach just shows that he hasn't been lynched on enough Day Ones to learn better. Let's fix that.

On the note of your suspiciousness towards me, I would really like to know why you think that caring about the game enough to argue my point is scummy. I suppose you would prefer it if I let the matter slide, acquiesce to the No lynch and let the Scum draw first blood without having to work hard for it. FOS Ragian

@Fircoal My first FOS on DDS was part of my "shake the trees and see who falls of them" approach to starting Day 1. Now that he has proclaimed his intention to steer the game in the direction that's bad for the Town, he is my preferred target until and unless someone does something even scummier (I had been hoping that Masket would begin the game with something like "We are all hyenas, right?" and spare me the heavy thing on Day 1, but alas.. )

[DirtyDishSoap]

Anyways, this argument isn't going to get us anywhere, I'll continue fighting against it, whether you agree with it or not, I don't really care, it's already a horse that was beaten half dead in another game. I'm not going to argue it any further than I already have.

If it comes down to lynching someone are you going to vote or are you still gonna be no vote/no lunch?

This is still for D1, right?
I'd still abstain unless something of real substantial evidence presents itself. If it gets me killed for it on D1, I'll just simply go to another game, big deal. People will either agree or disagree, but I'm not going to vote someone on Day 1 without anything concrete.

@Mandy,
Your ego is showing dude, might want to zip that up.
The fact that you've been attacking me with little to nothing other than play style and twisting a quote to your own weird logic can only make me think that you're a Lyncher and I'm the Lynchee. My best guess at it.

[mandalorian2298]

Anyways, this argument isn't going to get us anywhere, I'll continue fighting against it, whether you agree with it or not, I don't really care, it's already a horse that was beaten half dead in another game. I'm not going to argue it any further than I already have.

If it comes down to lynching someone are you going to vote or are you still gonna be no vote/no lunch?

This is still for D1, right?
I'd still abstain unless something of real substantial evidence presents itself. If it gets me killed for it on D1, I'll just simply go to another game, big deal. People will either agree or disagree, but I'm not going to vote someone on Day 1 without anything concrete.

@Mandy,
Your ego is showing dude, might want to zip that up.
The fact that you've been attacking me with little to nothing other than play style and twisting a quote to your own weird logic can only make me think that you're a Lyncher and I'm the Lynchee. My best guess at it.

Scum tell number 2: "There's a Lyncher after me!" What was the last game that you have played that had a Lyncher?

Though I must admit that getting Lyncher with the Lynchee advocating No Lynch on Day 1 would be pretty cool.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Starcraft 2, there's a role called an executioner, operates the same exact way as a Lyncher. Common role for me to see along with Jester. Outside of BNI being the only other mafia game I've played on here and another 8 years ago, I don't think it's farfetched.

But you do you boo boo.

[DirtyDishSoap]

http://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Executioner

[Ragian]

You are committing grey fallacy

I suppose you would prefer it if I let the matter slide, acquiesce to the No lynch and let the Scum draw first blood without having to work hard for it. FOS Ragian

Yes, I would rather you didn't fog the game up. DDS's position is not alignment indicative. Moreover, no one in here is new to the game. We all know the different pros and cons to both positions. While I don't agree with DDS, you wanting his blood over his style of play is poor play in my opinion as you're blind to the benefits of a long and dragged out D1 where dialogue, voting, etc. reveals scum eventually. You just want him lynched. Do you even think he's scum? And do you think he's scum because he doesn't want to lynch D1?

[Minister Masket]

@Fircoal My first FOS on DDS was part of my "shake the trees and see who falls of them" approach to starting Day 1. Now that he has proclaimed his intention to steer the game in the direction that's bad for the Town, he is my preferred target until and unless someone does something even scummier (I had been hoping that Masket would begin the game with something like "We are all hyenas, right?" and spare me the heavy thing on Day 1, but alas.. )

It probably comes as no surprise that Nag himself joked about this with me before the game started. Only he said Lions, not Hyenas, which makes more sense i guess.
Yes it was dumb but it didn't get me lynched! So let it go!

This game is a 'new' new beginning for me. MM 2.0 if you will.

FOS Mandy for pressing DDS that hard though just for making his stance on a No Lynch clear. As I said in my last post, I don't believe it's worth a vote for that alone.

[mandalorian2298]

You are committing grey fallacy

I suppose you would prefer it if I let the matter slide, acquiesce to the No lynch and let the Scum draw first blood without having to work hard for it. FOS Ragian

Yes, I would rather you didn't fog the game up. DDS's position is not alignment indicative. Moreover, no one in here is new to the game. We all know the different pros and cons to both positions. While I don't agree with DDS, you wanting his blood over his style of play is poor play in my opinion as you're blind to the benefits of a long and dragged out D1 where dialogue, voting, etc. reveals scum eventually. You just want him lynched. Do you even think he's scum? And do you think he's scum because he doesn't want to lynch D1?

I think that you and I have different understanding of what it means to be "new to the game".

"We all know the different pros and cons to both positions."

1) I am not sure why you feel like you can speak for every player in this game.

2) Why a Day 1 No lynch does has pros and cons; it is worth noting that it's pros are mostly favor Scum while it's Cons harm Town.

As I have explained, my vote is currently on DDS because he is advocating a style of play that is to Scum's advantage. Either he is Scum or he is a Townie who, through a lack of understanding, is trying to steer the Town in a harmful direction which makes his lynch a lesser loss than that of a potentially useful Townie.

Furthermore, given how passionately I am attack him and how passionate you are defending him his lynch promises to be highly informative, especially after other players voice their opinion.

@Masket You are vet so you should know better. One of the quickest Scum lynches in CC history came about when Spiesar opened Day 1 with a No Lynch vote and I nailed him for it. Day 1 No Lynch = Scum's Wet Dream

[mandalorian2298]

It probably comes as no surprise that Nag himself joked about this with me before the game started. Only he said Lions, not Hyenas, which makes more sense i guess.
Yes it was dumb but it didn't get me lynched! So let it go!

This game is a 'new' new beginning for me. MM 2.0 if you will.

While it didn't get you lynched it did get you attacked by three players and NKed. On the bright side, "Oooh, I want a Lapras!" was, for me at least, one of the cutest moments of Day 1.

Good luck to MM 2.0! (though I'll wait until the 2.1 patch, at least, before I download it )

[DirtyDishSoap]

Yes, yes because I advocated a No Lynch in a game I gave you a reference to, n1 happens, there was no night kill, cop gets revealed and confirms a town role blocker which leads to a scum, and suddenly Town is looking all the better for it. Must have been one of those rare instances. It worked out in the end. If we did it the other way, may have been a different story, may not have been, who knows? Point is, you're "Ermaigawd he's scum because he's playing differently me *cry*" is petty and trivial. I'm willing to concede on this point that there is merit on seeking confrontation and trying to get a feel for the other players reactions, but that's as far as it goes for me.

[mandalorian2298]

Yes, yes because I advocated a No Lynch in a game I gave you a reference to, n1 happens, there was no night kill, cop gets revealed and confirms a town role blocker which leads to a scum, and suddenly Town is looking all the better for it. Must have been one of those rare instances. It worked out in the end. If we did it the other way, may have been a different story, may not have been, who knows? Point is, you're "Ermaigawd he's scum because he's playing differently me *cry*" is petty and trivial. I'm willing to concede on this point that there is merit on seeking confrontation and trying to get a feel for the other players reactions, but that's as far as it goes for me.

Confrontation, by itself serves little purpose. Only when a lynch is done, and the role of the lynched is revealed, can the confrontation be put into context, the posts and votes interpreted and the deductions made.

Furthermore, since Town victory means a victory for each Townie, dead or alive; and since a Townie death hurts Town less then a Scum death hurts Scum, a good Townie is always prepared to die if it furthers Town's cause.

[DirtyDishSoap]

So even if you were to lynch say, a cop or doc of jail, the ends justified the means because "I didn't like their playstyle"?

That's probably the dumbest thing I've heard.

[Ragian]

I've played loads of games without lynching D1 that worked out in town's favour.

1) I am not sure why you feel like you can speak for every player in this game.

Is this serious? You're stating to know the universal approach to the game, but I'm the one speaking for everyone?

As I have explained, my vote is currently on DDS because he is advocating a style of play that is to Scum's advantage. Either he is Scum or he is a Townie who, through a lack of understanding, is trying to steer the Town in a harmful direction which makes his lynch a lesser loss than that of a potentially useful Townie.

You have no problem lynching townies you find are on the wrong path, then? I find that a worse approach than any.

FP'ed - Will read later

[Ragian]

Was just DDS saying something similar to me...

[mandalorian2298]

I've played loads of games without lynching D1 that worked out in town's favour.

1) I am not sure why you feel like you can speak for every player in this game.

Is this serious? You're stating to know the universal approach to the game, but I'm the one speaking for everyone?

Yes. The fact that I know that Day 1 lynch is the best approach for Town does not make it universally accepted by other players in this game (the proof of which is the fact that you and DDS are opposing this approach). Those two things are not synonims.

Furthermore, my strategy is based on what is correct not on what is popular or else the quality of my play would suffer when I'm playing with less experienced players.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I've played loads of games without lynching D1 that worked out in town's favour.

1) I am not sure why you feel like you can speak for every player in this game.

Is this serious? You're stating to know the universal approach to the game, but I'm the one speaking for everyone?

Yes. The fact that I know that Day 1 lynch is the best approach for Town does not make it universally accepted by other players in this game (the proof of which is the fact that you and DDS are opposing this approach). Those two things are not synonims.

Furthermore, my strategy is based on what is correct not on what is popular or else the quality of my play would suffer when I'm playing with less experienced players.

You're joking...
He's clearly stated earlier he doesn't support my style because he himself thinks it's wrong. I can respect his view, as he's respecting mine. The clear difference here though is that you somehow think that it's undeniable proof that I'm scum? This is the same dumb argument I've had in the previous game, why this is the biggest issue between you (and whoever it was that didn't agree with it), is baffling.

I'll just ignore the fact that you got this God complex going on with your Mafia playstyle "never wrong" atm and just assume you're looking for a needle in a haystack.

[mandalorian2298]

I'll just ignore the fact that you got this God complex going on with your Mafia playstyle "never wrong" atm and just assume you're looking for a needle in a haystack.

And, if you repent and change your ways, I shalt forgive you for ignoring my message.

P.S. Some remedial praising and a medium lenght hymn praising me for being right all along can only help your chances of being forgiven.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Hell no. Lol

Condemn me to damnation!

[nagerous]

DAY SCENE!


Simba had strayed.... as an excitable lion cub he had been informed by his 'trusted' uncle that there was an Elephant's graveyard in the wilderness. He had been advised by his father that he must never go there as it was beyond the borders but ignoring his father's advice he wandered there regardless.



Simba, with his pal Nala wandered into the shadowy place and a chill wind filled the air.

"I don't like this much" whispered Simba to Nala

A screeching cackle was heard, and all of a sudden hyenas approached Simba and Nala encasing them

"What do we have here?" whispered one hyena

"Hmm I don't know, what do we have here?" said another

Crazed laughter was heard from a third.





Simba and Nala were backed into a corner and looked doomed to be Hyena feed, when all of a sudden out of nowhere Simba's father came flying out the sky - clawing the hyenas down and striking one with a lethal blow!



Ragian - Banzai (Mafia Tracker) has been killed!

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

[mandalorian2298]

No! It's Day 1, you have 7-2 chance of hitting a Townie! That's a naughty, naughty Day Vig!



So, now that Ragian's dealt with, who else is totaly fine with DDS' "No Lynch on Day 1" initiative?

[mandalorian2298]

Side note: That's one heck of a pretty scene mods.

[nagerous]

Vote Count :

Tim (1) Dakky
Skoff (1) Flores
Dakky (1) Hotshot
Mandy (1) Fircoal
Kwan (3) Kwan, Mitch, Tim
DDS (1) Mandy

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

[mandalorian2298]

On the note of your suspiciousness towards me, I would really like to know why you think that caring about the game enough to argue my point is scummy. I suppose you would prefer it if I let the matter slide, acquiesce to the No lynch and let the Scum draw first blood without having to work hard for it. FOS Ragian

Who wrote this? I forget.

Side note: If you find my self-congadulating (which, btw, is still in the worm-up stage) annoying, then please feel free to drown me out by posting more.

[Samlen]

No! It's Day 1, you have 7-2 chance of hitting a Townie! That's a naughty, naughty Day Vig!



So, now that Ragian's dealt with, who else is totaly fine with DDS' "No Lynch on Day 1" initiative?

As interesting as Ragian's death is, i'm more curious as to why you've ignored the fact that I was for a day 1 no-lynch? If you're claiming to be the day vig then whatever but otherwise I'd like an answer cause hounding one player for wanting a day 1 no-lynch and ignoring another is weird at best.