Foundation Mafia [6/12] Endgame: Second Foundation Wins.

[dakky21]

Days are five days long, so deadline is tomorrow. Not enough time to muck about.

If I am town then that list is actual reads.
If I am mafia then that list is likely Town.

Either you believe me, in which case vote Hotshot or Mets. Or if you dont believe me then vote for me.

So yes I intentionally put myself on that list.

Sorry corrected the word error. We do need to start mass voting people rather than the spread we have at the moment.

Now you are becoming my suspect. I know the feeling when a particular word is in your head and you type it without thinking.
On the other hand, if you were mafia, you would know who is most dangerous (best player) in town and you would suggest him in your list.
So I am standing with my vote still, unless you make one more mistake.
Streaker is pretty much silent lately, and that bothers me.

[Epitaph1]

Days are five days long, so deadline is tomorrow. Not enough time to muck about.

If I am town then that list is actual reads.
If I am mafia then that list is likely mafia.

Either you believe me, in which case vote Hotshot or Mets. Or if you dont believe me then vote for me.

So yes I intentionally put myself on that list.

Deadline is Monday.

Not sure what to make of Wing. I think he's just trying to spur the conversation most likely. I thought that was a mistake putting himself on the list (kinda like using the word 'mafia' instead of 'town' in a follow up post) but he claims its intentional. I guess more spurring of conversation. idk

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Re: tim's claim. I don't think Tim's the doc the way he phrased his soft-claim but actually his comments might play out nicely for us. The mafia are now faced with trying to take out a protective power role but who is the least experienced in the game. And chances are Tim will get watched/protected, so he's probably safe for now.

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Hoping Daz speaks up soon. Having him and Mets so quiet with a deadline in 3 days is problematic. I have my vote on Mets, but I could very well pressure Daz for the same reason right now.

[madmitch]

Hoping Daz speaks up soon. Having him and Mets so quiet with a deadline in 3 days is problematic. I have my vote on Mets, but I could very well pressure Daz for the same reason right now

I agree with you. I will put the pressure on Daz vote Daz

[Metsfanmax]

I feel strongest about Hotshot and Mets. That said I've been here before with Mets D1.

I have posted two actual comments in game so far. One was to point out that Tim sounds like madmitch, and the other was a mostly joke vote on Epi. How is it even possible to generate a read on me based on that? Accuse me of scummarining maybe, but don't say that there was anything I posted to trigger your suspicion. Same for Epi.

I'm town.

Next Wing post:

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town

unvote, vote WIng

[dakky21]

I'm starting to believe I was correct.
Don't forget that Wing may be a jester... he driven us all into voting him. I just wanted to vote him and then I realized he might be the one.
On the other hand, since mitch supports Epi's thinking and Epi gives him a big hug because he said Mets could be mafia, my vote stands on mitch and can only be changed to Epi right now...

[Epitaph1]

I feel strongest about Hotshot and Mets. That said I've been here before with Mets D1.

I have posted two actual comments in game so far. One was to point out that Tim sounds like madmitch, and the other was a mostly joke vote on Epi. How is it even possible to generate a read on me based on that? Accuse me of scummarining maybe, but don't say that there was anything I posted to trigger your suspicion. Same for Epi.

My vote on you was for skimming, dawg. Not based on what you said.

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I'm starting to believe I was correct.
Don't forget that Wing may be a jester... he driven us all into voting him. I just wanted to vote him and then I realized he might be the one.
On the other hand, since mitch supports Epi's thinking and Epi gives him a big hug because he said Mets could be mafia, my vote stands on mitch and can only be changed to Epi right now...

[madmitch]

On the other hand, since mitch supports Epi's thinking and Epi gives him a big hug because he said Mets could be mafia, my vote stands on mitch and can only be changed to Epi right now.

I give up, he,s of his rocker!

[Metsfanmax]

I feel strongest about Hotshot and Mets. That said I've been here before with Mets D1.

I have posted two actual comments in game so far. One was to point out that Tim sounds like madmitch, and the other was a mostly joke vote on Epi. How is it even possible to generate a read on me based on that? Accuse me of scummarining maybe, but don't say that there was anything I posted to trigger your suspicion. Same for Epi.

My vote on you was for skimming, dawg. Not based on what you said.

No, your vote was because I was one of the "quieter ones," not because I was skimming. Unless you have clairvoyant powers and therefore know how closely I'm paying attention.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

don't say that there was anything I posted to trigger your suspicion

I'm town.

Next Wing post:

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town

unvote, vote WIng

Correct, there was nothing to trigger my suspicion, or exactly that. Nothing. Good news though. You just bit on my bait and posted my comments out of context.

Full quote

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town, and we have zero evidence to support that.

Aiding Tim with understanding that people claiming town is meaningless in itself. Not suggesting that it makes sense to vote people who say they are town without considering their full contribution. I'm sorry Mets, but you are very right about your posts. Two meaningless posts and an aggressive defense of yourself. Thats quite the cv.

@Dakky - For all you know I could be a jester. How would that change your understanding of my post. Additionally, if you are only willing to vote Mitch or Epi, does this mean that you think that everyone else is town?

[Metsfanmax]

don't say that there was anything I posted to trigger your suspicion

I'm town.

Next Wing post:

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town

unvote, vote WIng

Correct, there was nothing to trigger my suspicion, or exactly that. Nothing. Good news though. You just bit on my bait and posted my comments out of context.

Full quote

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town, and we have zero evidence to support that.

The second half of that quote is irrelevant, as we have zero evidence to support the belief that you are town.

Aiding Tim with understanding that people claiming town is meaningless in itself.

So then why did you bother saying that you are town?

I'm sorry Mets, but you are very right about your posts. Two meaningless posts and an aggressive defense of yourself. Thats quite the cv.

If you think I'm scum, you are more than welcome to vote for me.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Mets.

[degaston]

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town, and we have zero evidence to support that.

Is voting against someone the same thing as voting for them?
What does the zero evidence statement mean?
In any case, 23 minutes later...

...I am town...

So are you voting for yourself now?
My vote earlier was not based on much, but you're not giving me much of a reason to change it.

[degaston]

I am willing to vote against anyone who states that they are town, and we have zero evidence to support that.

Is voting against someone the same thing as voting for them?
What does the zero evidence statement mean?
In any case, 23 minutes later...

...I am town...

So are you voting for yourself now?
My vote earlier was not based on much, but you're not giving me much of a reason to change it.

[degaston]

Fp'd by mets and wing. Takes forever to do this on a phone.
Sorry for the double post. Internet is flaky here.

[HotShot53]

I'm starting to believe I was correct.
Don't forget that Wing may be a jester... he driven us all into voting him. I just wanted to vote him and then I realized he might be the one.
On the other hand, since mitch supports Epi's thinking and Epi gives him a big hug because he said Mets could be mafia, my vote stands on mitch and can only be changed to Epi right now...

Since I've been playing on here, I don't think I've seen anyone give out a jester role... it's mentioned in every other game as a possibility, but never seen it actually happen. So I would say that the chance that wing is a jester is very very small. But by throwing out that comment, you might make people less willing to vote him, without actually saying he's town... if either dakky or wing flips scum, the other should definitely be considered as a possible partner.

Now that I think back, wing's theory 1 (a very big stretch based on my joke vote) said I was scum for joke voting dakky... not sure what other reason he has for including me in his top scum reads at this point.

So, my theory 1 is that dakky and wing are scum partners, and since the pressure is on wing rather than dakky at this point, I will unvote, vote wing

FP by deg

[Endgame422]

Ok.
Chances of wing being jester are pretty damn low,if you think hes scum vote him. There is no sense holding back because of what he might be. Even If(and its a big IF) he is jester its not like town loses so who cares?
Mets you know how to quote and you purposefully left part of wings quote out.
Care to explain why?

[degaston]

This talk about a jester reminded me about something in the Foundation. I had to look it up, but Magnifico claimed to be a runaway court jester, but was actually the Mule. Pure flavor reasoning, but if the jester role was ever used, it could make sense here.

[degaston]

After reading the mafiascum entry on jester, I can see why it's not used much. May be best not to give much weight to the possibility of it when making decisions.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Let me be the first to welcome Tim with open arms rather than a vote!

So you've pushed me to L-2 as expected. Jumpstarting the game from absolutely everyone refusing to do anything that might lead to getting themselves mislynched, to accusations flying tends to do that.

I am the First Foundationer, I am VT.

Now consider this, what kind of mafia throws themself out as an option to be lynched? I ask you all to look at those who have voted me and look at their reasons. There is literally no logical reason whilst I would have made those actions if I was mafia, I was under no threat and could just have waited for the trio of Dakky, Mitch and Tim to mislynch each other.

I am VT, all I have is my voice, and there is no way you're mislynching our power roles. I am fairly confident that I have brought a few mafia out to the surface here.

[degaston]

unvote... for now
I don't like to rush into a possible mislynch.

[dakky21]

@Dakky - For all you know I could be a jester. How would that change your understanding of my post. Additionally, if you are only willing to vote Mitch or Epi, does this mean that you think that everyone else is town?

No, I never said the rest is town. I still don't know who is town and who isn't, but Epi & Mitch clearly aren't when they are supporting each other.

Now consider this, what kind of mafia throws themself out as an option to be lynched? I ask you all to look at those who have voted me and look at their reasons. There is literally no logical reason whilst I would have made those actions if I was mafia, I was under no threat and could just have waited for the trio of Dakky, Mitch and Tim to mislynch each other.

The Trio as you would say, didn't vote on you, that could mean if we were all mafia, you are as well.
From another point of view, if we aren't mafia, you could still be.
I don't take your claim for serious, you're probably the best player around, so even degaston unvoted, I will vote you now, so you're back to L-2.
If you flip mafia, I will know that Deg, Tim & Mitch are probably mafia. And if you flip town, I will know they are probably town.

unvote, vote Wing

[Metsfanmax]

Let me be the first to welcome Tim with open arms rather than a vote!

Now consider this, what kind of mafia throws themself out as an option to be lynched?

This is a completely irrelevant point. No one cares if you say that you are a potential lynch target. Everyone is a potential lynch target. None of us are awarding you special virtue points for merely pointing out that we can lynch you if we want. We already know that we can do this, and it doesn't change the likelihood that you are scum.

There is literally no logical reason whilst I would have made those actions if I was mafia

Hello wine. I am also wine.

[HotShot53]

As far as I count, my vote was the 4th, putting wing at L-3, not L-2... and then with the unvote and new vote, he's still at L-3

[HotShot53]

I am VT, all I have is my voice, and there is no way you're mislynching our power roles. I am fairly confident that I have brought a few mafia out to the surface here.

Honestly, I'm not sure you have brought out any mafia to the surface. And how are you going to ensure power roles don't get lynched today? Do you know who they are or something?

I'm not sure if I buy his claim or not. But at the moment, I don't have any better cases to move on to, so I'll stay where I am for now.

[degaston]

I don't take your claim for serious, you're probably the best player around, so even degaston unvoted

I unvoted because I don't like to lynch the first person who gets targeted, not because I believed his claim or thought he was the best player here.

Tim hasn't full claimed yet, but I don't want to lynch a possible power role either. So between him and wing I'd go for wing. But I'd prefer to have another choice. I'll have to go back and reread more to see who else I might vote for.