Two Sides Mafia: Side B, EndGame, It Spreads

by **Rodion** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:03 pm

We are talking about fancy quotation marks ( " ") that / inserted in Milkshake's role PM, Shield. I don't have any in mine (fancy or non-fancy). Do you have any in yours?

by **jonty125** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:04 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:
Rodion wrote:
crazymilkshake5 wrote:Yeah, I dont know how to do the fancy ones / used

What does everyone think of this?

I think he means he can't use the same exact shades as / uses, because all the options look alike for the msot part. The shades he used look fine to me

I think he was referring to the quotation marks. I don't have any quotation marks so I can't help there.

FASTPOSTED by Rodion

by **crazymilkshake5** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:09 pm

Rodion wrote:More questions:

1 - can you explain "Prince" in a Wild West - Ghost Town scenario?

It says that my character is a wealthy landowner, has superb health and a great mind. thats all, idk how he fits into the wild west, but thats what he is.

Maybe he fits in as he is as wealthy as royalty?

Rodion wrote:2 - if you are a survivor in game B and this survivor can get a 3-day period of guaranteed survival by your JOAT dying in A, doesn't it make more sense that you die in A? Town can still win A for you, while your odds of winning B are pretty high (since by the time you are vulnerable to being killed again, the game might already be over!).

I guess your right... never saw it that way, to focused on keeping the JOAT alive, even though he would lose his powers.

Fastposted X2

These ones: the “Prince”, Town JOAT

by **shieldgenerator7** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:20 pm

Oh, the quotes. I don't have any in mine, but I don't have a noun describing my role either. I have adjectives describing my role name, so quotes wouldn't have been necessary.

Milkshake's Role: "Noun", Alignment Role
My Role: Adjective Alignment Role

I can comletely understand the need for quotes on a noun, but mine was adjectives, thus no need for quotes. Is this also why you don't have quotes? (directed at all who claim they don't have quotes)

-SG7 (

)

by **Rodion** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:01 pm

crazymilkshake5 wrote:I guess your right... never saw it that way, to focused on keeping the JOAT alive, even though he would lose his powers.

If you acknowledge I'm right and you are L-1 there, why didn't you take the chance to hammer yourself there?

@Shield - I got nouns with no quotation marks. I am, however, considering that / may have made role PMs non-standardized to throw us off (hypothetically, town/town players having their two winning conditions worded differently).

I'm trying to think of a good way to handle the situation, but I'm not yet sure what should be done. I'll keep thinking. Meanwhile, anyone got a plan?

by **jonty125** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:04 pm

Kill his B side, see if we get investigative on A?

by **crazymilkshake5** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:07 pm

I do, but even though im on the chopping block, not many people may want to hear it, lol

idk what the vote count is on either side, but we can put my roles to the test, because i dont want to lose the JOAT, do you?

We let me survive the night by lynching or voting no lynch on both sides, this side is closest to no lynch. me and you (Rodion) are closest on A, if we both unvote, then vote no lynch it will be 2 for me, 2 for no lynch i think...

Then you tell me what to do to who on side A, if im wrong, i die, if im right, i live. (if im not NKed)

fastposted.

by **Rodion** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:16 pm

If this is to be done, I can tell you that you'll use your investigation. I'd also let you investigate someone of your choice without anyone knowing who that is (indicating someone to investigate a specific person has framer bait written all over it).

Not sure if this is the best plan (a lot could go wrong), but if we end up going that route by the end of the day, investigate whoever you please in A (and don't tell us until D2 arrives).

by **Rodion** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:47 pm

Unofficial B vote count

shield; 3 votes: edoc, PCM, Safari

Rodion; 1 vote: VS

Victor; 1 vote: rodion

No lynch; 3 votes: Shield, Clever, New Guy

CMS; 2 votes: CMS, Jonty

Not voting: Drunkmonkey and Soundman

by / on Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:10 pm

Vote Count:

No Lynch (3) - shieldgenerator7, Some7hingCLEVER, new guy1

crazymilkshake5 (2) - crazymilkshake5, jonty125

Rodion (1) - Victor Sullivan

shieldgenerator7 (3) - pancakemix, safariguy5, edocsil

Victor Sullivan (1) - Rodion

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

time has been reversed, 48 hours to deadline, no more extensions!

by **shieldgenerator7** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:58 pm

Ok, to follow up on info gained from milkshake's claim. If his claim is completely accurate (which I think it is), then here is what info I gather from this scenario:

1. THe roles are not independent. / has set up this game to make each player's A role linked somehow to his B role. In milkshake's case, death in either thread has implications to his other role. Looking back at my role PM, I noticed that my two roles have a connection as well that I didn't notice before (because it's not mechanically connected like milkshake's). This means:

2. We have a higher chance of having M/M players. Because the two roles are not independent, it is more likely that someone is M/M, unless / wouldn't do that intentionally. Though we have seen players with T/3 (3rd party) alignments so maybe we still have T/M players (mixed alignments). But the chance that we have more T/M players than M/M players boils down to whether or not / would have made them that way (playing the mod) instead of independent probability (playing the game).

Summary: the roles are dependent, but there still might be T/M players because milkshake has shown us an example of mixed alignment players. (and of course we know there's T/T because Rodion and I have claimed as such (if you can believe us, that is))

From here, I would like to see the sentence structure of everyone's role PM.
Is it: Adjective Alignment Role
or: "Noun", Alignment Role
or something different?

-SG7 (

)

by **drunkmonkey** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:37 pm

crazymilkshake5 wrote:If ya'll read my post on the other side, you will know that either way i get lynched, were losing a JOAT, but i am third party on this side, thats how i knew.

so if you lynch me on this side, my JOAT loses his powers, and you kill a third party,
lynch me on the other, still lose a JOAT, but my third party cant dire for 3 days on this side.

the choice is clear. for that reason, Unvote Vote myself, crazymilkshake5

crazymilkshake5 wrote:My side B objective is to survive, It does NOT matter if town or Mafia win, I just have to survive till the end.

I'm catching up here, but something is off about your claim. If your only objective is to survive, why would you vote yourself here? You lose one game, and hurt town's chances in the other? If you die in Side A, it hurts town's chances just as much, but you almost ensure your own victory on Side B. I think you're being deceitful about something, but I'm not sure what your motives are.

by **crazymilkshake5** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:49 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
crazymilkshake5 wrote:If ya'll read my post on the other side, you will know that either way i get lynched, were losing a JOAT, but i am third party on this side, thats how i knew.

so if you lynch me on this side, my JOAT loses his powers, and you kill a third party,
lynch me on the other, still lose a JOAT, but my third party cant dire for 3 days on this side.

the choice is clear. for that reason, Unvote Vote myself, crazymilkshake5

crazymilkshake5 wrote:My side B objective is to survive, It does NOT matter if town or Mafia win, I just have to survive till the end.

I'm catching up here, but something is off about your claim. If your only objective is to survive, why would you vote yourself here? You lose one game, and hurt town's chances in the other? If you die in Side A, it hurts town's chances just as much, but you almost ensure your own victory on Side B. I think you're being deceitful about something, but I'm not sure what your motives are.

if you havnt read it all, keep reading and you'll get it, just a mistake on my part.

by **drunkmonkey** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:25 pm

crazymilkshake5 wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:
crazymilkshake5 wrote:If ya'll read my post on the other side, you will know that either way i get lynched, were losing a JOAT, but i am third party on this side, thats how i knew.

so if you lynch me on this side, my JOAT loses his powers, and you kill a third party,
lynch me on the other, still lose a JOAT, but my third party cant dire for 3 days on this side.

the choice is clear. for that reason, Unvote Vote myself, crazymilkshake5

crazymilkshake5 wrote:My side B objective is to survive, It does NOT matter if town or Mafia win, I just have to survive till the end.

I'm catching up here, but something is off about your claim. If your only objective is to survive, why would you vote yourself here? You lose one game, and hurt town's chances in the other? If you die in Side A, it hurts town's chances just as much, but you almost ensure your own victory on Side B. I think you're being deceitful about something, but I'm not sure what your motives are.

if you havnt read it all, keep reading and you'll get it, just a mistake on my part.

crazymilkshake5 wrote:
Rodion wrote:2 - if you are a survivor in game B and this survivor can get a 3-day period of guaranteed survival by your JOAT dying in A, doesn't it make more sense that you die in A? Town can still win A for you, while your odds of winning B are pretty high (since by the time you are vulnerable to being killed again, the game might already be over!).

I guess your right... never saw it that way, to focused on keeping the JOAT alive, even though he would lose his powers.]

I see where you admitted it was a mistake, but you still didn't unvote? And you were too focused on keeping a VT role alive to worry about your Survivor role? It still doesn't make sense.

by **Rodion** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:42 pm

A: One-worded noun comma role - no quotation marks
B: Two-worded noun (if english grammar is not messing with me) comma role - no quotation marks

Examples:

Farmer, town bomb
Mr. Pink, vanilla townie

by **safariguy5** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:08 pm

For both:

Adjective, noun, noun, noun. No Quotation marks

by **crazymilkshake5** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:09 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:I see where you admitted it was a mistake, but you still didn't unvote? And you were too focused on keeping a VT role alive to worry about your Survivor role? It still doesn't make sense.

I just wasnt thinking, when i was on i was supposto be doing school, not CC, haha
Unvote
fastposted

by **Victor Sullivan** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:16 pm

A: Role Side A, “The Town Noun (in the same quotes as CM5)”, Role
B: Role Side B, The ACTUAL Town Noun (same noun, no quotes), Role

-Sully

by **new guy1** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:20 pm

So your saying for instance one says "prince" and the other says prince?
If this statement is correct one of the Sides could have impersonnations(Sorry for the lack of spelling skills) of the other side. Let me get my roles real quick and type this up. I appoligize if I dont get the exact color, but I will try.

by **new guy1** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:28 pm

Side A: "Noun noun noun, Role

Side B: "Adjective noun", Role

PS: I figured out if you go to quote something then it tells you the color... I learned something new

Also, if I didnt do it right, tell me what you want and Ill do that.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:22 pm

new guy1 wrote:So your saying for instance one says "prince" and the other says prince?
If this statement is correct one of the Sides could have impersonnations(Sorry for the lack of spelling skills) of the other side. Let me get my roles real quick and type this up. I appoligize if I dont get the exact color, but I will try.

If we're using 'prince' in this case, it would be "The Town Prince" and The ACTUAL Town Prince (with 'ACTUAL' being apart of the role name).

-Sully

by **shieldgenerator7** on Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:25 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:
new guy1 wrote:So your saying for instance one says "prince" and the other says prince?
If this statement is correct one of the Sides could have impersonnations(Sorry for the lack of spelling skills) of the other side. Let me get my roles real quick and type this up. I appoligize if I dont get the exact color, but I will try.

If we're using 'prince' in this case, it would be "The Town Prince" and The ACTUAL Town Prince (with 'ACTUAL' being apart of the role name).

-Sully

interesting... another example that the two roles are connected and are not, in fact, independent as we had previously thought

by **crazymilkshake5** on Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:47 am

ok so we have roughly about 36 hours before the deadline, whats the plan?

by **jonty125** on Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:42 am

Rodion wrote:Farmer, town bomb

Oh dear. Please don't let Rodion be "bomb" (NBC)

My role is side A: stupidly long
My role is side B: stupidly long

Example:The Super International Monkey Of Canada

Same format for both sides

by **drunkmonkey** on Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:52 am

Completely WIFOM, but doesn't this:

Victor Sullivan wrote:A: Role Side A, “The Town Noun (in the same quotes as CM5)”, Role
B: Role Side B, The ACTUAL Town Noun (same noun, no quotes), Role

-Sully

look like it could be easily set up like this:

Victor Sullivan wrote:A: Role Side A, “The Town Noun (in the same quotes as CM5)”, Role
B: Role Side B, The ACTUAL Town Noun (same noun, no quotes), Role

-Sully

When one is identified as "The ACTUAL Town [noun]", it gives the impression that the other is "The FAKE Town [noun]". Though I don't know why he'd show everyone if that was the case. :-k

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