POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

by **VioIet** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:42 pm

Iliad wrote:The thing about mafia is that cases aren't handed to us, they're noticed and brought to attention as a result of discussion. While the case against victor may have been light, the people who leapt to his attack or defense reveal useful information.

This is true.

Iliad wrote:Other interesting leads I've found is falkomagno's skimming evident of his response to freezie's vote on vio, perhaps his query about freezie's seriousness is him testing whether vio is in trouble or not, I hardly see reason why someone would single out a single vote on a random person and demand whether it's serious.

Also vio has been quite interesting as well. She's been fairly active but also going through the motions, quickly accepting victor's lynch as inevitable and doesn't that intersted in offering her own opinion to discussions or changing the course of the discussion. Almost as if she only wants town to go about and lynch whoever and go to night.

I think you all are looking a bit too much into it. Remember this is only falko's first game, and mass's second game. They are just learning. Falko just wants his clanmate to win premium. So when he saw a vote on me, he was confused. He most likely would have reacted the same way to mass. That is all. Nothing more nothing less.

Now as far as the second point - yes I've been going through the motions as the game is quite early. Just trying to stay active, keep up, and make sure I post. Not a whole lot for me to say right now. It doesn't mean I'm disinterested. It simply means that I do not yet have a case on anyone yet. You say i just want the town to lynch anyone and go to night- but you forget that I did try to make people stop and think about the Victor bandwagon- I just did so in a way that wasn't defensive- so people may have missed it.

by **VioIet** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:44 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:FOS edocsil for skimming. It really makes me tired that for every post I have to write two more posts explaining what I said in the original one. Read carefully what I have written and you will see that I claim nothing of the sort.

Something about that post- I just find so amusing. Its true that poor Mandy always has to explain himself, then re-explain himself, then explain himself some more.
I guess it comes with the territory when you propose interesting theories.

by **got tonkaed** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:20 pm

I do think the most interesting players from a "what?" perspective so far have been Vio and strike wolf.

Vio - seems to be dead set on a paint by numbers approach to day 1. See bandwagon, lament bandwagon while it is actually not a real danger. Point out things like activity and inactivity which although significant, don't really advance the game or acknowledge any of the discussion that is actually going on. Defends falko, who hasn't done much to shower themselves in glory either (though they are apparently new to the game). Just seems to be a lack of interest in finding out as much information as we can early on.

Strike - more involved in discussion but in a "throw things at the wall and hope something sticks" sort of fashion. Spent time incorrectly explaining mandys theory about commanders behavior. No real reason to do that other than a failure to understand correctly (possibly - was done by other players) or an intent to cloud logic on behalf of commander (more speculative reasons for that are debatable as well)

by **strike wolf** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:48 pm

Partly true. it's early in day 1 so I'm still trying to get a grip on some people and organize my thoughts in the game. So yeah a lot of my actions are based on gauging reactions at this point and if that requires flinging some dirt at people to see how they react that's fine with me.

As for cases, commander and vio are definitely interesting for various reasonings. Your description of vio seems accurate enough I won't restate it. Commanders case, the defense of victor wasn't completely out of character for him but while he is usually aggressive to me it seems some of his actions are more just trying to shoot down anyone who disagrees with what he says (I would need to reread to remember specifics). So right now I consider him very interesting. fos commander

As for streaker, I've already stated that I agree mostly with the reasons stated against him but especially now that he's stated a fairly solid defense I'm not currently willing to vote him for it.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:49 pm

VioIet wrote:I think you all are looking a bit too much into it. Remember this is only falko's first game, and mass's second game. They are just learning. Falko just wants his clanmate to win premium. So when he saw a vote on me, he was confused. He most likely would have reacted the same way to mass. That is all. Nothing more nothing less.

Falko has been playing mafia longer than I have. I don't know where you got that first game nonsense from, vio.

Mandy wrote:unvote vote Commander 9. The reason is of a metagaming nature : in Buffy Commander9 also jumped into insane defense mode and protected Nark like a long lost love. I think his strategy is based on:

1. protectin X who is not in Mafia with him.
2. Killing X to prove X's townishness.
3. The fact that Commander protected a Townie proves that he himself is a Townie.

I dislike this argument just because you give commander no options whatsoever. If victor ever dies, you are going to crucify commander as scum no matter what role victor has. If victor turns up town, then you will point to this argument and say, "see! I was right. Commander must be scum." And if victor turns up scum, then you will attack commander for defending scum.

So essentially, by this argument, anytime commander defends anyone he must be scum. :-s

by **edocsil** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:08 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:
VioIet wrote:I think you all are looking a bit too much into it. Remember this is only falko's first game, and mass's second game. They are just learning. Falko just wants his clanmate to win premium. So when he saw a vote on me, he was confused. He most likely would have reacted the same way to mass. That is all. Nothing more nothing less.

Falko has been playing mafia longer than I have. I don't know where you got that first game nonsense from, vio.
Mandy wrote:unvote vote Commander 9. The reason is of a metagaming nature : in Buffy Commander9 also jumped into insane defense mode and protected Nark like a long lost love. I think his strategy is based on:

1. protectin X who is not in Mafia with him.
2. Killing X to prove X's townishness.
3. The fact that Commander protected a Townie proves that he himself is a Townie.

I dislike this argument just because you give commander no options whatsoever. If victor ever dies, you are going to crucify commander as scum no matter what role victor has. If victor turns up town, then you will point to this argument and say, "see! I was right. Commander must be scum." And if victor turns up scum, then you will attack commander for defending scum.

So essentially, by this argument, anytime commander defends anyone he must be scum.

Yeah, this is why I make a point of trying to hang him early. So frustrating even when he is on your side.

by **Commander9** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:27 pm

edocsil wrote:Yeah, this is why I make a point of trying to hang him early. So frustrating even when he is on your side.

This is probably by far the truest statement I've ever read about myself in Mafia... a good chance that it's the most hilarious too. Thanks doc - that brightened my day :lol:

by **mandalorian2298** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:48 pm

Commander9 wrote:
edocsil wrote:Yeah, this is why I make a point of trying to hang him early. So frustrating even when he is on your side.

This is probably by far the truest statement I've ever read about myself in Mafia... a good chance that it's the most hilarious too. Thanks doc - that brightened my day

I can't help but feel that you guys are still bitter over the whole Buffy thing. Therefore, I submit this video as a peace offering. O:)

by **Commander9** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:59 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:I can't help but feel that you guys are still bitter over the whole Buffy thing. Therefore, I submit this video as a peace offering.

lol, I remember watching that. To be honest, I don't think you're THAT evil

Besides, hey, a loss is a healthy way to promote competition - I've learnt a lot from that game. I accept the peace offering - but there never was any war. Just some healthy competition

by **mandalorian2298** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:11 pm

Commander9 wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:I can't help but feel that you guys are still bitter over the whole Buffy thing. Therefore, I submit this video as a peace offering.

lol, I remember watching that. To be honest, I don't think you're THAT evil Besides, hey, a loss is a healthy way to promote competition - I've learnt a lot from that game. I accept the peace offering - but there never was any war. Just some healthy competition

That's my mantra whenever I sit to chess board. :oops:

Well, now that we have established that noone is holding a grudge let's just lynch you and call it a day.

by **Commander9** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:16 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:That's my mantra whenever I sit to chess board.

Well, now that we have established that noone is holding a grudge let's just lynch you and call it a day.

I have that outlook pretty much for everything

If you lost - you could have done better. If you won - well, don't get complacent - there's still things you can learn.

Well, no, that would be town. Your scummy Sith tricks don't work on me, Mandalorian*

*Don't try to make sense of that in SW context.

by **freezie** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:04 pm

VioIet wrote:I think you all are looking a bit too much into it. Remember this is only falko's first game, and mass's second game. They are just learning. Falko just wants his clanmate to win premium. So when he saw a vote on me, he was confused. He most likely would have reacted the same way to mass. That is all. Nothing more nothing less.

Well, not taking account that Squirel proved you wrong on falko, I will state to EVERYONE that this is mafia, not clan wars.

If your clanmate is beeing voted, don't go defending him because he's in your clan, play your part as a mafia player. Remember sides win, not players individually. Also, Vio, look at this post:

Falkomagno wrote:What about this falko? Avoiding my question and voting for an inactive?

Do you really want to crawl back under your shell after going out wrongly once?

I didn't notice this post. why do you think that is defensive? Ask for explanation is a defensive move? I just want to clarify if there is some solid doubts which deserve a vote, or if we're still in the joke voting. You think that that kind of information is irrelevant? or are you just trying to make some noise?[/quote]

She clearly said NOTHING about beeing your clanmate, which is completly irellevent in mafia anyway. She answered my question.

Maybe I am looking too far into it. But I am still concerned.

As for your question Falko, isn't all our goal to make some noise and try to find info? The fact you singled my vote ( and my first post in this game, infact ) over all was what I wanted to ask. And anyway, I didn't have to answer as in the same post I explained why I voted Vio ( and it wasn't a serious vote, however due to her own post, I shall keep that vote that way. )

Long post..but anyway.

by **freezie** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:06 pm

And, also, I deeply dreamed of saying that for so many years that it has become an obsession, and I now finally have a valid reason to say it:

Mandy, your logic is completly off track.

Man it has been a while I said that...

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:56 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:Haggis, I compliment you on your keen understanding of my meaning , but I have to ask: Since when is Scotland in Eastern Europe? Have you guys been demoted or something?

I only came to Scotland cause my nickname is Haggis, it was destiny

But I am very eastern european.

Commander9 wrote:Well, I'd personally wouldn't even call Croatia as a part of Eastern Europe, but this is internet... and I gave up already As long as they get the continent right, I'll be happy.

pfft, nitpicker.
Besides eastern europe isn't so much about geography as it is about ... erm ... let's call it culture

VioIet wrote:I think you all are looking a bit too much into it. Remember this is only falko's first game, and mass's second game. They are just learning. Falko just wants his clanmate to win premium. So when he saw a vote on me, he was confused. He most likely would have reacted the same way to mass. That is all. Nothing more nothing less.

I find this troubling. So should we expect you guys to be helping each other out?

by **Fircoal** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:35 pm

Falkomagno wrote:unvote vote fircoal for inactivity

Lol how funny. I read up to Pancake's post yesterday but never decided to post anything. x3 And then I haven't been online since until today. I'm sure you could find real inactives ;3

by **VioIet** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:27 pm

Fir, I don't think that is really helping your cause. It just makes you sound like a lurker.

How is anyone supposed to know if you aren't really inactive, if you don't post anything?

Well now that you are online, hopefully you will be active.

Squirrel, what other games have you seen Falko in? As far as I know, this is the only one. Are you confusing him for Fircoal?

Freezie, I think you, falko and most other people in this game are simply trying to- as you put it "make some noise."

You sought a lead by questioning falko first and now me, and falko sought a lead by questioning you.

I explained why I thought the scenario happened

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
I find this troubling. So should we expect you guys to be helping each other out?

As long as we are both town, we should be doing our best to help the town out. If we are on opposite sides, then surely not.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:37 pm

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- PCM, Fircoal
Fircoal(1)-Falkomagno
got tonkaed(1)- Iliad
Falkomagno(1)-/
Nagerous(1)- got tonkaed
Victor(1)- edocsil
edocsil(1)- Saxlad
Commander9(2)- VioIet, mandy
Streaker(2)- Commander9, Haggis
VioIet(1)- freezie
pancakemix(1)- Nagerous
strike wolf(1)- Victor

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is on March 31st.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:37 pm

Just prodded Mass Miracle

by **strike wolf** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:25 pm

VioIet wrote:
As long as we are both town, we should be doing our best to help the town out. If we are on opposite sides, then surely not.

And there's the flaw in your logic. With the exception of a few roles you should have no way of knowing that you are both town so that argument falls flat. I remember you did this in the Briarsburg game with Dazerazer and at times Commander but since than you have been less anxious to defend people because they are clan mates. The fact you are doing it now seems odd to me.

by **edocsil** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:40 pm

UNVOTE VOTE VIO for making me do this rather then just looking it up herself.

Falkomagno wrote:Re: Cult War Mafia 10/21 Eleven People Needed!
In!

Re: Skittles mafia game Day 1
By the way...if is a seven people game...I would say...two mafias, a doc a cop and three townies. Or maybe two townies and three mafias.

Re: Vampire Mafia- Day 4. Post if you want to live.
sorry...i just chose a name above me and cast a vote.

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in

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It is a long list. I got bored.

by **Mass Miracle** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:53 pm

Well I just spent about two hours catching up, as Vio has said this is my second game so I have pretty much no clue what I am doing.

I see a deadline of March 31st and I think I have a week, I guess I need to learn the Mafia Etiquette, I did not think being away for 3 days this early is inactive. From my inexperienced point of view there really is nothing to say as I can't pick up on some of the interesting clues that some of you are picking up. It seems that most of the first day is all a joke or prior game hostilities coming out.

So just to ease some clan conspiracy fears:

VOTE VIOLET

by **Anarkistsdream** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:27 pm

Yeah, violet...

What's the deal, or you get my vote also?

by **Falkomagno** on Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:18 pm

freezie wrote:

As for your question Falko, isn't all our goal to make some noise and try to find info? The fact you singled my vote ( and my first post in this game, infact ) over all was what I wanted to ask. And anyway, I didn't have to answer as in the same post I explained why I voted Vio ( and it wasn't a serious vote, however due to her own post, I shall keep that vote that way. )

Long post..but anyway.

No. Noise is bad for the game. noise confuses peoples arguments, and things that can go clear for a legitimate lynch, goes underground because of noise.

Asking people reasons for vote is not noise. Is the way to justify yourself. If you are mafia, probably will vote for a townie just making up fake up arguments (therefore, you will feel uncomfortable by asking for explanation), but if you are townie, and after joking stage, you should have some valid points to cast a vote. Valid suspicious.

So, if you are deliberating trying to make noise, it will be according to me a mafia tale. Anyway, noise it can be generated not in purpose, but trying to define legitimate illogical arguments , in that case would be a necessary evil...but so far you are not looking good in my opinion.

Fircoal wrote:
Falkomagno wrote:unvote vote fircoal for inactivity

Lol how funny. I read up to Pancake's post yesterday but never decided to post anything. x3 And then I haven't been online since until today. I'm sure you could find real inactives ;3

What the heck is this post? So u r claiming to be deliberating lurking, and post a meaningless post?. You were prodded my friend
(which probes that you are the most inactive player so far), even if you are townie, which now it seems very unlikely, you are not providing nothing to the game by lurking. Revote for you.

btw, i like the iliad post. It had some valid points.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:01 am

VioIet wrote:Squirrel, what other games have you seen Falko in? As far as I know, this is the only one. Are you confusing him for Fircoal?

He was around in my very first mafia game, a LOTR themed one with stroop as the mod. That was 2 years ago.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=87282

Just search for his posts in the mafia forum. You will find a lot of his games

by **VioIet** on Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:08 am

strike wolf wrote:
VioIet wrote:
As long as we are both town, we should be doing our best to help the town out. If we are on opposite sides, then surely not.

And there's the flaw in your logic. With the exception of a few roles you should have no way of knowing that you are both town so that argument falls flat. I remember you did this in the Briarsburg game with Dazerazer and at times Commander but since than you have been less anxious to defend people because they are clan mates. The fact you are doing it now seems odd to me.

I think you misunderstood me.

I never said I know anyone's alignment, and I never said I was defending him because he was in my clan. I said that he was probably suspicious of freezie's vote, because we are in the same clan. There is a difference there. I also said that if we are both on the town side, then we would be helping the town. No where in that sentence does it state that i know anybody's alignment except for my own.

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