GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

[nagerous]

Can I see some more activity please, I know its the later stages of the game but thats no excuse for slacking off .


I'm also looking for a replacement for lord voldemort if anyones interested?

[icedagger]

Maybe you should advertise outside the thread, where people not already playing can see it

[got tonkaed]

i can probably replace if need be. I think id qualify since i wasnt any type of investigating town.

[icedagger]

Way to completely undermine me

[got tonkaed]

Way to completely undermine me

considering you might be hardpressed to find a sub for 100 pages in a game thats near an endphase, its maybe not as bad to advertise in thread. really if you could get selin, it might be best, but im not a horrible alternative.

[FloresDelMal]

mmmh nag, what if you use the all mighty mod kill on lovo if no one can replace him (him might be scum, cult or whatever and might be bad if a playing townie replace him) i mean that way we could completely focus on someone else.

Oh and i voted lovo cos i thought him being a "fallen" corleone (i understood him was no part of the family anymore) could make him a very good candidate for cult, someone that most ppl could never think about.

[mandalorian2298]

Well first off, Unvote. I have to say I'm slightly disappointted in you mandy. I was able to follow that line of logic you put forth and can actually agree with it. You're loosing your touch dude . Besides that though I could easily go with an ice dagger or animorph lynch. I find animo more threatening though just because how quite he's being. Usually he's loud and in your face and then makes a mistake . So, Vote - - - - animorph.

I can't say that I'm suprised. After LSU cleared you yesterday, you and LSU became the best targets for the Cult, and there is no way that I can convince these new guys to vote Icedagger on my word. GG

[nagerous]

Got Tonkaed 2.0 replaces Lord Voldemort

[got tonkaed]

confirming as the new and improve version of lord voldemort.

[Talapus]

Well first off, Unvote. I have to say I'm slightly disappointted in you mandy. I was able to follow that line of logic you put forth and can actually agree with it. You're loosing your touch dude . Besides that though I could easily go with an ice dagger or animorph lynch. I find animo more threatening though just because how quite he's being. Usually he's loud and in your face and then makes a mistake . So, Vote - - - - animorph.

I can't say that I'm suprised. After LSU cleared you yesterday, you and LSU became the best targets for the Cult, and there is no way that I can convince these new guys to vote Icedagger on my word. GG

I swear to god mandy if your the cult leader after all this I'm gunning for you in every game after this one . I'm torn between ice and animorph, but LSU and I certainly aren't the cult leaders. The only reason I think animorph is the most likely target is because of the low profiles he's kept in this game. I mean look what he's done in his other ones, he almost always screws it up. So why not this one?!? I think he likes his role and that's what worries me the most. Besides, if Michael is still in this game he'd be smart to wipe out whoever doesn't get lynched tonight because if cult continues to grow he also loses. So, I think we have a safe bet lynching one and letting Michael do the other one.

[Sierra_Leon]

Thanks for replacing Tonka! Could you answer the question I asked LoVo earlier?

What the heck? bandwagon much guys?

lovo is Connie Corleone and I'm her lover. I have a win condition to off all corleone mafia, but to the best of my knowledge lovo never counted as one (because my character is too much of a rebel so they disowned her )

MAJOR EBWOP - got the name wrong. that's what you get for going off memory -.-

LoVo, please explain your role. Also, please explain why exile was labeled a naive lover.

By "explain your role" I don't mean a full claim. You can keep any night-powers to yourself if you like. I'm more interested in your lovers-relationship with exile.

[mandalorian2298]

Well first off, Unvote. I have to say I'm slightly disappointted in you mandy. I was able to follow that line of logic you put forth and can actually agree with it. You're loosing your touch dude . Besides that though I could easily go with an ice dagger or animorph lynch. I find animo more threatening though just because how quite he's being. Usually he's loud and in your face and then makes a mistake . So, Vote - - - - animorph.

I can't say that I'm suprised. After LSU cleared you yesterday, you and LSU became the best targets for the Cult, and there is no way that I can convince these new guys to vote Icedagger on my word. GG

I swear to god mandy if your the cult leader after all this I'm gunning for you in every game after this one . I'm torn between ice and animorph, but LSU and I certainly aren't the cult leaders. The only reason I think animorph is the most likely target is because of the low profiles he's kept in this game. I mean look what he's done in his other ones, he almost always screws it up. So why not this one?!? I think he likes his role and that's what worries me the most. Besides, if Michael is still in this game he'd be smart to wipe out whoever doesn't get lynched tonight because if cult continues to grow he also loses. So, I think we have a safe bet lynching one and letting Michael do the other one.

1. I know that you and LSU can't be Cult leaders (between Neoteny's corpse and LSU's claim it isfairly obvious). Because of this I worte that you two are the best targets for recruitment. The fact that you missunerdstoood my post in such an illogical way makes me even surer that you have indeed been recruited last night (Wicked's Axiom:
When smart player acts dumb,
that means that he's scum! )
Thus I strongly doubt that Animoph is even in the Cult. Which means that we are going to waste a lynch and give Icedagger another shot at recruiting. Given how far ahead Cult is at this moment, I believe that this will be more then enough to secure the victory for you guys. Even if the Culties menage to lose, the Town will have a very little chance to find Michael Corleone as well as all the Culties. Thus, if we don't lynch the Cult Leader today, the chances for Town to win will become next none.

My vote stays on Icedagger from here on.

[icedagger]

Ok, unless we get lucky today I thinks odds are good that cult will win this. I'm going to go ahead and put my vote on mandy. So vote - - - mandy. Not so much because I have found you scummy, in fact......I don't know what to think of you in this game. Typically I can conclude if your pro town or not based on your actions but you haven't even had any really crazy theories yet in this game. So, that concerns me slightly. I think you may be hiding something!

I have been pacing myself for the time when Town's need is most dire. Let me show you what I mean, shall I?

I doubt we have enough non-cult left to get a lynch but worth a try anyway.. pretty much everyone on the wagon yesterday was probably cult, but we need to get the leader today to have any chance at all

vote Icedagger. I hope that someone here remembers how Aegnor's has been cought and lynched in Jnd's "Pirates Mafia", because the this case is very similar to that one.
Once a bandwagon on William has grown enough, the Culties (who know that the lynchee isn't one of them, have the leisure of choice between avoiding to vote for the victim and act innocent, and voting for him to speed up their victory. But, since Cult is specificaly different from Mafia in that the Cult Leader is hugely more valuable to Cult then are other Culties (excepting Everywhere, the Vets know whom I'm talking about ). Thus, the Cult member most likely to attempt to gain credibility by avoiding to be on the bandwagon is the Cult Leader. If he lacks finesse (which is, with apologies to icedagger, the case here) he will point out his innocence himself, thus unintentionaly revealing that he had a motive for deliberatly avoiding to vote for the innocenty lnchee of the previous Day. Because of all this, it is my belief that Icedagger is the Cult Leader and that lynching him is our last hope.

Yeaaaah.. wagon on William? I genuinely have no idea what you are on about. If this makes sense to anyone sane please explain it to me

Your case makes absolutely no sense Mandy

[got tonkaed]

I think without saying too much about my role...Exile seems to touch on something in that quote you embedded. As exile seems to suggest the Corleone family wasnt a fan of his character, connie was in danger if she wasnt "naively" in love with him. There was nothing in the replacement notes to suggest that there was any choice in whether or not she would fully love him, so i think it might just be something of a flavor element.

Thats all i can seem to pick out from it from what i have.

[got tonkaed]

I think if we were making a list of people who could be cult leaders....

we probably can take off talapus/lsu (as i was told pretty soundly back when i was got tonkaed 1.0)
Sierra Leon - could potentially be a cult leader, but it would be pretty unlucky if it was the case, as he essentially would have taken over for a subber for quite some time, and kernal kronic probably would have gotten replaced. Still as he is kind of the town driving player at the moment (other than talapus) he would be hiding well as cult...but probably cant be todays lynch target as its a bit chancy.
Militant/Flores/animorpherv - all of these players would be pretty unlucky. None of them have been that dominant, and really have been fairly inactive. One of them is probably in the cult just by sheer numbers at this point, but hard to say any of them is the leader
Mando - could maybe be the cult leader. Presenting a case vs one of the players who is also probably a prime suspect maybe puts him in an odd spot. Also you could make some metagamming arguments about him. Probably fits as someone who could cult lead
icedagger - got tonkaed 1.0 suspected him back in the day given some of the things he said early on. He barely dodgd getting lynched the first day. Hes viable enough to be the cult leader and has been active enough in points of the game that he fits.

I think id place my prefered targets
1) icedagger
2) mando
3) one of those 3
4) Sierra

[Sierra_Leon]

I'm going to bring this up again. I edited in some things in blue.

[... VOTECOUNTS ...]
Conclusions:
Iliad, Mandy, Tonka and icedagger were on all 4 lynches. Illy and Tonka were in on the AD lynch pretty late, so could be cult. Illy was proven to be cult, Tonka was town.
William and Militant were on none of the lynches. Makes sense since they're replacing someone who was inactive. William was a vanilla townie, militant still alive.
Mandy, Icedagger, Exile and Talapus were probably not cult at the time of the AD lynch, so are not the recruiter. Exile indeed turned out not to be cult, the other three are still alive.
Mandy, Tonka and icedagger are probably not mafia because they were in on the Clive lynch pretty quick. Tonka was town, Mandy and Icedagger still unknown.
-> Mandy and icedagger are probably town, unless recruited to cult after day 2. I still believe this to be true. The only thing that has me confused is that Mandy is still going at Icedagger, even after I pointed him to my earlier post.
Lord voldemort (replaced by Tonka)and Skoffin (replaced by Flores) were only in on the townie lynch. Judging by the voting statistics, they have the highest probability of not being town. We know Skoffin always does this, but it's unusual for LoVo. I looked back to find some posts of him. I couldn't find anything worth quoting until I came across this post in day 2:

im happy to beleive ad for now
as long as he is bent to the will of town of coarse

nag would give out his role if he was investigated so we can assume if he gets anything but wat he has claimed (if we investigate) then he can be lynched strait away

and a vote count would be handy nick...who i think has gone out for the day

Besides the fact that his last actual contribution to the game is found way back in day 2, that contribution consists of defending the cult day vig. This has gotten me pretty convinced LoVo is cult. Possibly the cult recruiter.

Unvote, vote lord lordemort

I've changed my mind on this: LoVo was probably mafia, not cult.

Here's my current stand on things:

8. Got Tonkaed 2.0 (replaces Lord Voldemort) - MAFIA
9. LSU Tiger Josh - TOWN
15. FloresDelMal (replaces Skoffin) - SCUM
17. Animirpherv (replaces CrabNebula) - NOT SURE
19. Militant 2.0 (replaces Serbia) - NOT SURE
21. Mandalorian2298 - TOWN
27.Talapus - TOWN
33. IceDagger - TOWN

PLEASE NOTE:
- TOWN should be read as town, but possibly recruited. Not the cult leader though.
- NOT SURE should be read as probably SCUM.
- SCUM could be either mafia or cult, not sure which.

I don't buy Tonka's explanation of the 'naive lover'. The first thing that popped in my head when I read 'naive lover' is that it was like a mason-pair where one is scum and the other is town. I think it's more likely Tonka is mafia than he is cult though, because exile revealed him to be a Corleone.

Tonka, please answer this question: are you part of the Corleone Mafia? Because if you are, I don't see why I should vote you. This goes for Michael Corleone too. If you're about to be lynched, it would be in your best interest to reveal your true role, because lynching the cult leader is much more important to town now than lynching mafia. Tonka, if I'm completely wrong here and you're really town, please tell me that. It's not like I'll vote you unconditionaly if you give me that answer.

Ani & Mili,start telling who you think is mafia, who you think is cult and who you think is town. Most importantly, stop bandwagoning and only agreeing with other people's posts. I want to know what YOU are thinking, not just who you're agreeing with. Flores has been quite clear on this subject in her last few posts and I'm happy with that. It's not enough to convince me she's town, but I'm happy with it anyway.

Mandy, why did you ignore my explanation of why I think icedagger is town? Or did you miss it? Anyway, please read it again and tell me how you feel about it.

[FloresDelMal]

Following my nerdy nature, i dedicated a good chunk of my saturday morning to reread this thread, paying special attention to those posts that could give the most information about who could be most likely the cult leader, and i narrowed my choices to 2 players:

first Sierra Leon because he seems very bright and very likely to have a anti-town power role and being able to hide it all along, plus since i joined the game him has been giving me off the vibe of try way too hard to being the perfect townie;

my second choice could be Animorph, but im not really sure and ill explain why: i have 2 theories about Animorph, the first to come to my mind was that nag couldnt give him such an important role to someone that he was even reluctant to let him replace in the first place, but then in a more careful thought it occurred to me that if nag wanted to balance the things in a worst case scenario where the cult was already outnumbering the town, him could choose a sucky but active player up to this role, and i know that animorph is used to be a fairly active player (that almost got his ass banned in a game that we played together), but now him is keeping a way low profile, which make me think that him grew attached to his role, a quite cool role indeed, and if it comes that i am right and animorph is the cult leader, ill hate nag forever for not giving that role to me (because since we both replaced almost at the same time him could have perfectly chosen me for such a cool role, but noo he had to give me a boring one)

so in conclusion, i think we should lynch either Sierra or Animorph today, and if there is any pro-town power role left to investigate/kill the other in the night consider it because i believe one of those two being a cult leader and the other a cult member.

UNVOTE Lovo VOTE Sierra Leon
btw im not unvoting Lovo/GT because i think him is clean, but because i think there are other people that are more important to kill first.

oh and i know that there is much suspicion going on about icedagger being a good candidate for cult leader, but even though mandy's theories are quite tempting (mostly because i love far-reached logic ) i doubt that either mandy or icedagger could be cult leader (even thought there are good chances they might be cult members by now) because both of them were early on in the lynch of AD who was a very important member for the cult.

[nagerous]

Ani (1) Talapus
Sierra (1) Flores
Ice (1) Mandy

5 to lynch.

[mandalorian2298]

I'm going to bring this up again. I edited in some things in blue.

[... VOTECOUNTS ...]
Conclusions:
Iliad, Mandy, Tonka and icedagger were on all 4 lynches. Illy and Tonka were in on the AD lynch pretty late, so could be cult. Illy was proven to be cult, Tonka was town.
William and Militant were on none of the lynches. Makes sense since they're replacing someone who was inactive. William was a vanilla townie, militant still alive.
Mandy, Icedagger, Exile and Talapus were probably not cult at the time of the AD lynch, so are not the recruiter. Exile indeed turned out not to be cult, the other three are still alive.
Mandy, Tonka and icedagger are probably not mafia because they were in on the Clive lynch pretty quick. Tonka was town, Mandy and Icedagger still unknown.
-> Mandy and icedagger are probably town, unless recruited to cult after day 2. I still believe this to be true. The only thing that has me confused is that Mandy is still going at Icedagger, even after I pointed him to my earlier post.
Lord voldemort (replaced by Tonka)and Skoffin (replaced by Flores) were only in on the townie lynch. Judging by the voting statistics, they have the highest probability of not being town. We know Skoffin always does this, but it's unusual for LoVo. I looked back to find some posts of him. I couldn't find anything worth quoting until I came across this post in day 2:

im happy to beleive ad for now
as long as he is bent to the will of town of coarse

nag would give out his role if he was investigated so we can assume if he gets anything but wat he has claimed (if we investigate) then he can be lynched strait away

and a vote count would be handy nick...who i think has gone out for the day

Besides the fact that his last actual contribution to the game is found way back in day 2, that contribution consists of defending the cult day vig. This has gotten me pretty convinced LoVo is cult. Possibly the cult recruiter.

Unvote, vote lord lordemort

I've changed my mind on this: LoVo was probably mafia, not cult.

Here's my current stand on things:

8. Got Tonkaed 2.0 (replaces Lord Voldemort) - MAFIA
9. LSU Tiger Josh - TOWN
15. FloresDelMal (replaces Skoffin) - SCUM
17. Animirpherv (replaces CrabNebula) - NOT SURE
19. Militant 2.0 (replaces Serbia) - NOT SURE
21. Mandalorian2298 - TOWN
27.Talapus - TOWN
33. IceDagger - TOWN

PLEASE NOTE:
- TOWN should be read as town, but possibly recruited. Not the cult leader though.
- NOT SURE should be read as probably SCUM.
- SCUM could be either mafia or cult, not sure which.

I don't buy Tonka's explanation of the 'naive lover'. The first thing that popped in my head when I read 'naive lover' is that it was like a mason-pair where one is scum and the other is town. I think it's more likely Tonka is mafia than he is cult though, because exile revealed him to be a Corleone.

Tonka, please answer this question: are you part of the Corleone Mafia? Because if you are, I don't see why I should vote you. This goes for Michael Corleone too. If you're about to be lynched, it would be in your best interest to reveal your true role, because lynching the cult leader is much more important to town now than lynching mafia. Tonka, if I'm completely wrong here and you're really town, please tell me that. It's not like I'll vote you unconditionaly if you give me that answer.

Ani & Mili,start telling who you think is mafia, who you think is cult and who you think is town. Most importantly, stop bandwagoning and only agreeing with other people's posts. I want to know what YOU are thinking, not just who you're agreeing with. Flores has been quite clear on this subject in her last few posts and I'm happy with that. It's not enough to convince me she's town, but I'm happy with it anyway.

Mandy, why did you ignore my explanation of why I think icedagger is town? Or did you miss it? Anyway, please read it again and tell me how you feel about it.

When you say explanation, do you defer to this: "Mandy, Icedagger, Exile and Talapus were probably not cult at the time of the AD lynch, so are not the recruiter. Exile indeed turned out not to be cult, the other three are still alive. " If that is all, then it is far from conclusive evidence. If there is another post, please tell me the page on which the post in question is located and I will read it again. It should be quite a fucking thing to make me unvote Icedagger.

[icedagger]

This is getting ridiculous. Mandy does not have a case against me! The only piece of "evidence" he has is something that never happened. I can understand why Mandy is trying to ignore this but Flores I don't know how it can be described as even"far-reaching logic".

GT version one seemed pretty sure I wasn't leader because of the whole AD thing, but version two has made a u-turn on this.

Nor can icedagger really be possible as he was all over AD when it was pretty clear teh barzini playbook was defending ad as much as possible.

So FOS GT version two, probably some form of scum although he is probably not cult leader.

The only thing holding me back from voting Animorph is some of the people who are voting for him. I really need to look through Sierra's posts again, but for now can you explain your u-turn on Iliad Sierra?

[got tonkaed]

This is getting ridiculous. Mandy does not have a case against me! The only piece of "evidence" he has is something that never happened. I can understand why Mandy is trying to ignore this but Flores I don't know how it can be described as even"far-reaching logic".

GT version one seemed pretty sure I wasn't leader because of the whole AD thing, but version two has made a u-turn on this.

Nor can icedagger really be possible as he was all over AD when it was pretty clear teh barzini playbook was defending ad as much as possible.

So FOS GT version two, probably some form of scum although he is probably not cult leader.

The only thing holding me back from voting Animorph is some of the people who are voting for him. I really need to look through Sierra's posts again, but for now can you explain your u-turn on Iliad Sierra?

I think i had said that i didnt think it would make sense so i assumed at the time you were likely not the cult leader...but it certainly doesnt mean you couldnt have been the cult leader, just that it would be a non traditional response. I think its worth mentioning the distinction.

Sierra, theres no reason to lynch me today, given the fact that the cult is probably pretty close to having wrapped the game up.

[mandalorian2298]

This is getting ridiculous. Mandy does not have a case against me! The only piece of "evidence" he has is something that never happened.

So, you are saying that you didn't start this Day by claiming that the Cult Leader is surely to be found among people who voted William?

[militant]

Sorry guys, it has been a hectic few days, I will re read and post after I return this evening

[animorpherv1]

Sorry about that. Going on other websites to much .

But at this moment, I have no clue of who is who.

Damn computer.

[mandalorian2298]

Sorry about that. Going on other websites to much .

But at this moment, I have no clue of who is who.

Damn computer.

Well let me break it down for you. I think that it's Icedagger, Talapus think's it's you. Vote for one of these two choices.