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In before Dumbledore claim

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Lols - I get the feeling we are late in the Harry Potter series as Snape wasnt a Miller. Mad-eye isnt Barty Crouch. That means Dumbledore and George are dead. (And Dobby has received the sock)

[strike wolf]

No Wing. The lynch wont prove that dega is town, he lost the ability to convince us of that with certainty by revealing who he targeted in the way he did. It will go a long way on justifying his role though if Skill turns up wandless and I dont believe Skill's vt claim. He is the correct choice for today. You arent completely wrong in that we cant just move on every time someone claims. Skill gave a weak claim and he has played scummily. He should be lynched. To the people voting Storr right now. All you are doing is dividing the vote.

Actually Storr I get where Pix is coming from. I wont say that it is good logic but I understand it.

Fped by wing. It is dangerous to assume what place we are in the books or that we are even in a set place in the books and what flavor the mod gives is up to the mod. I know for one thing that while characters do appear to be aligned correctly right now not all powers match up. So play the game not the flavor.

[sempaispellcheck]

Deg - Do you want to lynch a claimed Doc? Regardless of his play. Is Streaker's actions actually beneficial here, or is he pushing a case that will resolve itself anyway. Either Pixar will manage to save someone from a kill, or be killed by mafia for having such a powerful role.
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Mets hasnt done anything majorly scummy bar that lynch comment. He also hasnt done anything town. He has made sure that his presence has been noticed with complaints about play. The question here is why? It makes him appear active whilst not helping town, it means that town keep overlooking him and allow him to continue to sit and hide in the background. When he does make a push he justs nudges someone else to do the legwork, and hides away anonymously.

Fair points - though Storr is sometimes guilty of that last point as well.

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[strike wolf]

Screw it. The reason I have defended Mets isnt just a read. I know him to be town. I was hoping you guys would see logic without me having to spell it out for you.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Pixar - mtamburini, Streaker, charm
Mets - HotShot, Ragian, Storr, Wing, sempai, sempai
skill - Strike, dd, Mets, mitch
Storr - skill, Mud, dega

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch

Deadline: Friday, 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time - firm (deadline won't drag like D1)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Screw it. The reason I have defended Mets isnt just a read. I know him to be town. I was hoping you guys would see logic without me having to spell it out for you.

BG defending him D1 too which is what bothers me.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Any reason not to just prove it after saying that much? If you can I shall return to voting Skills.

[madmitch]

sorry I took so long getting back,doing a bit more research to back my claim on Dobby. levitation: hoover charm on Aunt Petunias pudding,used heavy magic to seal the barrier to platform 9 3/4, used magic again to make a bludger attack Harry in the quidditch match and again when he made the chandelier fall on Bellatrix, he also blasted Lucius Malfoy down the stairs when he tried to attack Harry and he can warp from place to place the last warp killed him when he was hit by a thrown knife saving Harry. so yes I would say Dobby has great power with out a wand. Hope this answers your questions.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Translation - entirely flavour

[degaston]

Deg - Do you want to lynch a claimed Doc? Regardless of his play.

If he's actually scum with a fake claim, then yes, I do want to lynch him. If scum was not given any of the top roles as fake claims, then why don't we just do a mass claim and start lynching from the scummiest character on up? You complain that "Too many people are looking at "what" people have done, and not 'why'", but when I posted:

pixar needs to explain why he protected mtam, and then voted for him again, and was surprised that he wasn't attacked, and how he even knows that he wasn't attacked.

You seem to think that these aren't valid questions. I'm getting pretty sick of this idea that you can't question a strong claim when they do something scummy. Here's an idea - how about the strong roles start playing like they're actually trying to help the town? If you don't want me to question your actions, then don't do things that are questionable.

Is Streaker's actions actually beneficial here, or is he pushing a case that will resolve itself anyway. Either Pixar will manage to save someone from a kill, or be killed by mafia for having such a powerful role. So why is Streaker worrying about it? Is is possibly because as mafia he wants the doc role to be killed?

How, exactly, will we know that pixar actually saved somebody? Each day, pixar can say that he protected someone who is still alive. Even if no one dies at night, they might have their own protection. Also the mod doesn't have to exactly follow the rules of the books, but:

Protego - The only spell the Shield Charm can't defend against is the Killing Curse, since it's unblockable.

Your logic against Storr relies upon Streaker being Town, if not, I'd say Storr is being very helpful.
"Why is everyone letting Pix off the hook so easily?" - Were not. Great I've answered it, now where did that get us? Nowhere.

No - my logic against storr is that if I don't have solid evidence against a town claim, then I'll vote to lynch the one that has already claimed that he is not town. Get rid of the distraction who has uncertain motives, and maybe we can be more focused on day 3. I think we'd be much better off if people had listened to me on D1 and lynched Storr. The longer we wait, the more difficult it will be, because the scum don't want to lynch him because they know that lynching him is not a town lynch, and that he'll join them if that's what will help him win.

As Mtam so bluntly put it, why ask a question that has no benefit to town?

Yeah, here's another quote from Mtam:

Whatever I'll claim because I'll have more fun watching town burn when I die tonight.

I see I've been fp'd by a bunch of people, and Strike is making a claim about Mets. For now, I'll stick with my vote, and I hope people will join me to get rid of Storr.

[strike wolf]

Any reason not to just prove it after saying that much? If you can I shall return to voting Skills.

The less I say the better I think. Leaves more wifom for the mafia to deal with. People who know me should know I dont hard defend scum as scum.

[MudPuppy]

I don't know if there is a role that exactly matches a cop. I am able to cast Prior Incantato once each night to learn the last spell cast from someone's wand.

I can confirm that he has no wand.

Deg, are you sure you can confirm he has no wand... or just that he did not use a wand last night? e.g, if you had cast that spell on Severus on a night he chose not to kill someone as Town Vig, what do you think the result would have been?

Presumably, if someone has a wand, they are more likely than not to use it... but that's not at all certain.

[degaston]

No Wing. The lynch wont prove that dega is town, he lost the ability to convince us of that with certainty by revealing who he targeted in the way he did.

So you think there was some way that I could have revealed that I targeted skill that would have proved that I was town? Please enlighten me!

[strike wolf]

By revealing that Skill was who you investigated before he claimed and having confirmed through him saying as much that would have been reasonable proof. If he was lynched or killed later for other reasons and his role matched up it would have proven itbut because you claimed it after skill revealed there is no definitive proof that you did indeed investigate him or just jumped on because he claimed wandless himself.

[degaston]

Deg, are you sure you can confirm he has no wand... or just that he did not use a wand last night?

The result I got was that the person I investigated had no wand.

It did not say something generic like no result.

[Talapus]

sorry I took so long getting back,doing a bit more research to back my claim on Dobby. levitation: hoover charm on Aunt Petunias pudding,used heavy magic to seal the barrier to platform 9 3/4, used magic again to make a bludger attack Harry in the quidditch match and again when he made the chandelier fall on Bellatrix, he also blasted Lucius Malfoy down the stairs when he tried to attack Harry and he can warp from place to place the last warp killed him when he was hit by a thrown knife saving Harry. so yes I would say Dobby has great power with out a wand. Hope this answers your questions.

Sigh....flavor only. Ok, just the way you said it made it sound like you knew something.

[degaston]

By revealing that Skill was who you investigated before he claimed and having confirmed through him saying as much that would have been reasonable proof. If he was lynched or killed later for other reasons and his role matched up it would have proven itbut because you claimed it after skill revealed there is no definitive proof that you did indeed investigate him or just jumped on because he claimed wandless himself.

Fair enough, I guess, but at that point I thought it more important to be able to disprove skill's claim if he lied than to prove my own. I tried to be subtle in my pressure to have him claim, but Wing was able to pick up on it anyway.

[StorrZerg]

Any reason not to just prove it after saying that much? If you can I shall return to voting Skills.

The less I say the better I think. Leaves more wifom for the mafia to deal with. People who know me should know I dont hard defend scum as scum.

Imma be the dick and say. "Maybe cult"

@strike can you link me a game of you scum with more than 1 partner?

[got tonkaed]

Cult would probably only make sense in this game if it was order of the phoenix and mtam was in charge of it or something. It would explain why you wouldn't have died in the n1 if he targeted you.

[Talapus]

I still don't even get the discussion about possible fake claims of HP, Ron, and Hermoine. I mean it might, MIGHT be possible, but the possibility that the mod gave the 3 most prevelant roles as fake claims and not as town would floor me. But seriously if this happened then town is already screwed.

What if the mod gave only one of the top three as a fake claim? Is that unreasonable?

Not unreasonable. But if I were a player power role like one of those 3 characters ought to be and town and someone else claimed it I would counter in a heartbeat so we could lynch the scum and and go after whomever else looked like they were working with them.

Now the only other possibility is they are claiming these roles and are technically them because they use the polyjuice and have incpacitated the real players roles for a day. But that's a stupid move because you'd think we'd be able to clear it up the next day.

[Metsfanmax]

I still don't even get the discussion about possible fake claims of HP, Ron, and Hermoine. I mean it might, MIGHT be possible, but the possibility that the mod gave the 3 most prevelant roles as fake claims and not as town would floor me. But seriously if this happened then town is already screwed.

What if the mod gave only one of the top three as a fake claim? Is that unreasonable?

Not unreasonable. But if I were a player power role like one of those 3 characters ought to be and town and someone else claimed it I would counter in a heartbeat so we could lynch the scum and and go after whomever else looked like they were working with them.

Really though? Suppose you were Harry Potter and your role was something ridiculous like "you can vig two people every night." You'd really counterclaim in a game with 24 players?

[degaston]

Now the only other possibility is they are claiming these roles and are technically them because they use the polyjuice and have incpacitated the real players roles for a day. But that's a stupid move because you'd think we'd be able to clear it up the next day.

How would we clear it up the next day? I'm assuming that the scum were given safeclaims.

A safeclaim is a role name provided by the moderator at the beginning of the game that is guaranteed to be safe to claim; that is, it will not be counterclaimed by a Town role. These are usually only seen in themed games, and usually do not extend to telling the player what role abilities to claim.

Moderators started to give these out so as to make massclaim less of a breaking strategy. It is not nearly as easy to pick out who the scum are when everyone in the game is claiming a role that is pro-Town in flavor.

There is a science to deciding what kinds of flavor names should become falseclaims - for instance, only giving the scum minor characters for their falseclaims will not help them much. The modding guides on this wiki go into this in greater detail.

[strike wolf]

Memebase and Golden Pantheon angels v. Demons

[strike wolf]

We call hwm fake claims here generaly.