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[got tonkaed]

For sure storr is a very active player and that is why storr has yet to be under much of a threat. But unless there is some clear reason why dobby would need to be lynched, hunting scum remains a better plan. If we essentially have a no wand verdict, then its kind of pushing an easier lynch at this point facing a deadline.

[skillfusniper33]

Alright, I have a gut feeling that storr is actually mafia here. It didn't really set in until later into this day, when he was looking to push for the easy cases.

But if mafia were given fake claims right away, and he jumped on one of them before the game started it would make it really easy for him to continue to play that out. Since his character is very minor in most of the books it makes since for him to be given it as a fake claim. It was also pointed out that he (filtch) and umbridge were buddy buddy, and umbridge is a known person who tried to take down Harry.

This also makes a lot of since of why he would have pushed on Pershy so hard at the end of the day. With Pershy being Snape, a former deatheater, it means there could have been some power that he had to find the deatheaters easier than most. Snape also worked as a spy for dumbldore, and could have been very useful to town, and since mafia knew that snape wasn't part of their team, they would be extremely worried about him being a major threat.

This became much easier for him throughout the first day since people started to trust him more and more. And allowed him to make the play he made, knowing if it failed he could have just blamed it on the lack of time. But it worked out since a lot of people happened to be online at the end of the day.

I know most of this is based off of flavor, but that is how alignment would have been chosen during setup.

Vote Storr

[MudPuppy]

When skill said his claim wouldn't save him, Dobby was the first character I thought of.

I'm a bit surprised at the VT claim but it's within reason. Given deg's confirmation of what seems like a logical N1 target, I'm leaning toward believer. Of course, he could be a wandless Crabbe or Goyle type Mafia Goon... but I'd lean toward house elf at this point.

Save the house elf!!! - S.P.E.W.

If you aren't lynched tonight, skill, you REALLY need to get back into the game.

fp'd by skill - that's a decent start at getting back in... keep it up.

[got tonkaed]

That is all assuming he would have known a lot more than he probably would have pregame. I don't know that Storr has been pushing so many easy lynches as trying to get people to pressure players. I think there is a difference hopping on the bandwagon at some point and trying to go from the front (which seems like what storr has been doing).

Either way, seems super unlikely that storr gets lynched, especially on a bunch of flavor assumptions.

[StorrZerg]

For sure storr is a very active player and that is why storr has yet to be under much of a threat. But unless there is some clear reason why dobby would need to be lynched, hunting scum remains a better plan. If we essentially have a no wand verdict, then its kind of pushing an easier lynch at this point facing a deadline.

Yet to be under a threat, this is a big joke right? I'm the lazy go to lynch when you guys decide well we can always lynch the claimed 3rd party rather than take a risk and trying to lynch mafia.

And hunting scum is the game, are you expecting a mafia to claim Voldemort lol?

Proving he has no wand doesn't mean he can't be mafia.

If we have towns that are truly vt, why can't there be mafia with out powers?

Secondly you did not comment on his alignment , why the quick defending with out hearing his view of what to do next?

Fpx2

[got tonkaed]

I've never felt like you were close to actually getting lynched outside of a small window on d1. Let's be honest, at this point the whole easy jump to a lynch is pretty much not happening for the reason that the jump to an easy lynch looks scummy for anyone involved. So I think you are overblowing it.

Proving he does not have a wand of course does not mean that he is not scum, but it does not really go very far in proving he is either.

The quick defending if you want to call it that is just do to me being here and posting. I guess i can wait until Friday to post again if you think that helps.

[StorrZerg]

@mp his decent start is to go after the survivor lol

@skill, so who are the other mafia?

Also right back at skill going for the easiest claimed person to lynch.

[strike wolf]

For sure storr is a very active player and that is why storr has yet to be under much of a threat. But unless there is some clear reason why dobby would need to be lynched, hunting scum remains a better plan. If we essentially have a no wand verdict, then its kind of pushing an easier lynch at this point facing a deadline.

So you believe the claim? If so, why? I see little reason to unvote right now. He claimed a seak role, he has contributed little and Storr is right when pressure was applied more heavily, he started showing up. It doesnt look townish. He has contributed a bit more in his latest post. But the omgus nature doesnt help.

Storr either doesnt know Mets meta but thinks he does or hes misleading on the case. Misleading doesn necessarily make him scum. As long as he doesnt push someone he thinks is town, the more cases out there on possible scum the less lynch pressurs is applied his way. It serves his purposes. I am not even saying never follow Storr but I would urge people to consider why Storr made the case and if it is an actual good case.

[MudPuppy]

@mp his decent start is to go after the survivor lol

Hey, it's a read... and you're not confirmed or anything... besides you've gotten a little boring since you've stopped talking funny.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What claims have we had so far? Do they match the play of the claimer?

VT doesnt match Sniper at all. No power, so the only thing he can do is push cases hard and lead town visibly during the day phases, especially early on in the game. Aka, the exact opposite of what he has done.

Pixar - Doc - Matches his idiotic rant against Mtam D2

Sempai - Double Voter, not alignment indicative. Role proven.

Deg - Follower/Flavour Cop, not alignment indicative, but seems to have proven his role, will be confirmed if Skills flips non-mafia. That said he only claimed it after the event, not that I'd have expected otherwise. I havent read his posts enough to really comment, but he jumped onto the Skills push extremely easy, that would make sense if he wanted the claim to check.

Storr - 3rd party survivor - Makes reads and trys hard for town, till we get closer and closer to the deadline where he pushes hard to get any lynch regardless of alignment. Sounds like claimed 3rd party survivor to me.

ps STRIKEWOLF STOP SOFT DEFENDING METS, you made your point

I must have missed some?

[got tonkaed]

i believe the claim because I think the fact degaston said he had no wand and he turned up with a role that probably has no wand.

I feel like keeping a vote on skill at this point is fine, but there is a deadline coming up so, there is that to deal with. I'll unvote as well, now that i think about it.

Showing up when pressured makes sense but again it is not conclusive in and of itself. Its a large game, not everyone alive is going to post constantly.

I guess like with Sempai i just don't think what we have here merits a vote.

[StorrZerg]

@strike I'll save everyone some time. It's all 100% selfish.

I forced the push on pixar half claim, because town was getting to stuck up on him. He hinted a strong role, it was obvious. That's why he dropped the hint.

After his claim, I relook ed inactive people, I called out skill before, so why not again. I was surprised to see such quick wagon, not surprising skill became active.

Mets case is something I do believe. if I can I will link games, and show a caring and angry town mets, and a passive mafia mets.

Both versions of mets are quick to attack accusations and defend.

[StorrZerg]

last time I said skills name in a casual we can look at him for being inactive, he popped up to quote me and comment.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Skills

(Unless people actually decide to listen and vote Mets, but I think I will have to restart that D3 by the looks of things.)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What claims have we had so far? Do they match the play of the claimer?

I must have missed some?

Oh yes and Harry Potter, Mtam started arguments then claimed and then disappeared. I'm hoping he is watching ready to make a wonderful contribution, but I'm not sure. I'm not the most useful person to ask why Mtam makes the plays he does, I dont understand what he is up to most of the time anyway.

[strike wolf]

For the record, I do think I figured out what was bugging me about Mudpuppy. He has made a lot of moves that seem more to appease people by trying to sound like a concerned townie (I think you should say Dega bu only if you want to and lets go for the tie I dont wantto lynch townies) than are actually in town' best interests.

[strike wolf]

Did I kill the thread?

[StorrZerg]

Balance Not Included Mafia 3/12 End Game: Balance. (town)
viewtopic.php?f=610&t=207134
Things to look for. Mets fighting with PCM day 1. REALLY getting into each other.

PYP~Mafia [05/21] (mafia)
viewtopic.php?f=610&t=207109
No wave train of conflict, just simple inserts on comments. Follows someone on the easy inactive lynch, which isn't the higher profile person being talked about. (stays on that person)
WHen only 2 options are present the second day, pushes late on one (the non mafia)
voting thread here
viewtopic.php?f=610&t=208086&start=25

A lot of this read really just has to do do with how much emotion and caring mets is displaying. When he is mafia, its very lacking, yet the same sideline defender / picking certain things to push are apparent. While he is town, more things seem to bother him, and he is quicker to snap at people and comments. Not to mention he does care about whats going on. When he got into a fight with PCM, they went at it, both town fighting, Yet in the Mafia game he just sits back and avoids confrontation.

[Metsfanmax]

vote skill

Ragian says we should continue to scum hunt, but no. Mafia have their pound of flesh for the day. It is D2 and we have claims from Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Let's stop the bloodshed on that one.

I believe Dobby would be a pretty reasonable mafia fakeclaim. I also believe it's entirely possible for there to be mafia/anti-town with no wand. But most importantly, this will clear (or damn) degaston, who to me is still a major wildcard. If Dobby really has no powers, I'm fine with taking that risk.

[Metsfanmax]

vote skill

Ragian says we should continue to scum hunt, but no. Mafia have their pound of flesh for the day. It is D2 and we have claims from Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Let's stop the bloodshed on that one.

I believe Dobby would be a pretty reasonable mafia fakeclaim. I also believe it's entirely possible for there to be mafia/anti-town with no wand. But most importantly, this will clear (or damn) degaston, who to me is still a major wildcard. If Dobby really has no powers, I'm fine with taking that risk.

Oops -- that was tonka who said that, not Ragian.

[strike wolf]

Balance Not Included Mafia 3/12 End Game: Balance. (town)
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0&t=207134
Things to look for. Mets fighting with PCM day 1. REALLY getting into each other.

PYP~Mafia [05/21] (mafia)
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0&t=207109
No wave train of conflict, just simple inserts on comments. Follows someone on the easy inactive lynch, which isn't the higher profile person being talked about. (stays on that person)
WHen only 2 options are present the second day, pushes late on one (the non mafia)
voting thread here
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 6&start=25

A lot of this read really just has to do do with how much emotion and caring mets is displaying. When he is mafia, its very lacking, yet the same sideline defender / picking certain things to push are apparent. While he is town, more things seem to bother him, and he is quicker to snap at people and comments. Not to mention he does care about whats going on. When he got into a fight with PCM, they went at it, both town fighting, Yet in the Mafia game he just sits back and avoids confrontation.

Pyp and Double Fannucci (hes admitted he is scum there) hepushed for an easy lynch. He has avoided the cases for the most part in this game which is generally true ofhis town meta. He is much quicker to vote when he is scum. He hasnt been doing that here. I could be wrong...heck he just voted for Skill which might be an easy lynch though I agree about using the lynch for confirmation on Dega and a little bit on GT. GT wasday 1 town read for me but I am doubting him a bit more right now. Taking a step back if you ignore the arguments and just the actions he was pushing most major town claims day 1.

[*Pixar*]

okay, My first vote to start the game was obviously a joke vote. My vote on semp was to get a claim like ALL of you wanted, and in which I believed his claim. I switched my vote over to mtam for simply not posting in this game but in other mafia games (in which I thought was scummy). I kept my vote on mtam through the end of day1 because I simply didnt believe his powerful claim.

1.

actually what do you guys think of mtam claiming Hairy Potter but the scum not targetting him? kind of fishy...

this post i misread what he had claimed as I didn't know he couldn't be so called night killed.

2.

If there is a possible 2 Night Kills for the scum I might be the reason why there was only one kill last night, Will claim if need be.

I did hint to my role that I claimed, and I did say there was a possibility I might have stopped a Night Kill if two or more actions were submitted.

I'm not saying mtam is lying about his role, I just get this odd feeling some of the role has a twist in it. He could be Scum claiming this (hoping no one is Hairy Potter) or is there even a possibility that he is third party and I stopped a NK that way? Maybe claiming he could not be Night Killed was a survival tactic for him. Or there is a good possibility I'm wrong about all of this lol. Anyways we don't really have any good leads to go off of and we are just get random claims now. I guess if Mtam is 3rd party it doesnt help to have him lynched. So I guess I'll take my vote off and move on. Hope this helps a little bit

unvote

[Metsfanmax]

Not sure where this meme of "mtam can't be killed" came from. I thought it was pretty clear when he claimed that he was saying he could be killed, just that it would be unwise for scum to do so since it made Voldemort vulnerable or whatever.

[madmitch]

CAN,T VOTE AGAINST MY WOMEN, SKILL is lying about Dobby the elf he has great power. Heres a list of his spells,,,,Apparition,Levitation,Tamporing magic,Magical blasts anddisarming .THE question is is he working for Draco Malfoy, or Hogwarts school. still a lie is a lie UNVOTE VOTESKILL again

[dd515087]

CAN,T VOTE AGAINST MY WOMEN, SKILL is lying about Dobby the elf he has great power. Heres a list of his spells,,,,Apparition,Levitation,Tamporing magic,Magical blasts anddisarming .THE question is is he working for Draco Malfoy, or Hogwarts school. still a lie is a lie UNVOTE VOTESKILL again

Is this an assumption based on flavor or do you know this to be fact?