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[Metsfanmax]

I didnt Rolefish, and narrowing the game down to one incident is what you tried to argue last time. I never demanded you were lynched

So let's review. The case you made against me to start with is "you said you wanted to lynch me, but you couldn't have been serious since you didn't vote for me."

Now the argument is "I voted for you, but I didn't say I wanted to lynch you."

This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

I pointed out the utter stupidity of your comment, and others decided that was enough for them. Keep twisting.

Ah yes, the classic "my case wasn't legit until others started to agree with me." Well executed, sir.

If you are town, your vote is your weapon, if you are not willing to use it, then why bother?

I dunno, possibly because the actual lynch will be decided between 10 AM and 12 PM Friday and apparently none of what we say now matters.

[Streaker]

Pixar, do you even realize you are likely to be lynched by Friday? You don't seem to care much.
When you said you'd be posting later, I actually expected you to step up and defend yourself.
All you did was confirm you want Harry Potter dead. Even if you are town, can you see a single good scenario your vote on Mtam has?

You could at least adress the issues I brought forward (if you even read those).

Virus calling people out for inactivity is lol.

[Streaker]

@Wing, let me clarify a few issues right now:

-Your pushing mitch into a name claim was a scummy move, imo (with the info I had then). There is always doubt while he didn't claim, and I prefer the smokescreen of doubt at night.
-It wasn't until AFTER the next few posts (summarizing all of mitch soft claims, i think it was Aage?), that I realized that he has been hinting all game long. I didn't figure it out until then.

Mets was very happy jumping on it, calling it lynch-worthy. IF the hints weren't there, I would already have switched votes. Are you considering WHY mitch has been soft hinting all game?

Your case on Mets starts as OMGUS:

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

Are you going to look at my entire contribution to town, or zone in on this one point? Trying to build a case from nothing are you?

But I don't really see anything else in your case on Mets.
The thing that bothers me most with Mets:

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

That post just lights up on every scum radar. Adding to that his content-less posts of D1 and early D2 (which I've already made a post about), and his fishing with me to see if his 'case' is gonna hold, I think I've made more of a case on him then you did.

I could be wrong, but I really didn't see anything else. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I want to lynch Pixar or mets today. It's just that I don't see where your 'case' is coming from except OMGUS.

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Also Dazza is posting enough, but the content is lacking. Feels like scum trying to appear active.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Read as - "I dont care who mafia are, but you can be sure its not me"

Vote Mets

Too many people have pointed out that the most inactive player lynch is not going to happen. So Unvote. It was good though as it got people talking again, that and Epitath adding the deadline of Friday. I cant however, keep my vote on Sniper based on his inactivity alone.

I can however, re Vote Mets, as nothing has got better, he has instead managed to created a silly argument against me. A touch of the OMGUS about it to boot. There were only two people on his case till he made that comment, and one of them is the claimed third party survivor.

I'm voting you for so much more. You didnt answer it then either. You're an experienced player, yet have offered nothing and actively tried to disrupt discussion.

Streaker - I made my case against Mets about a week ago for his constant complaints about peoples play, yet not offering any read or making any attempts to improve the play. Even now with the votes on him he is choosing to defend himself against one small point. Look through his posts and you wont find a read anywhere. I point out that I made my case a week ago as this is where the OMGUS comes from. My votes has gone from Mets a week ago, to Sniper whilst trying to keep the lynch most inactive going to encourage posting, and now back to Mets.

Mets has been posting gameplay crap all game not just the last couple of days. BG defended this on the basis that Mtam got away with being a twat so why shouldnt Mets. I'd like to point out that Mtam did not get away with being a twat, he was forced to claim.

This is worth noting as Strikewolf v2.0 is soft defending Mets. May be nothing in it, but it follows on where BG left off.

My personal feeling is Madmitch was just enjoying the flavour, nope its not beneficial. I am surprised that so many people are coming out and saying they didnt notice his soft claims, to me it was extremely obvious which is why I called him up on it.

[aage]

Wings didn't ask Madmitch to give any information about his role, he just asked him to f*cking fullclaim already, since his "hints" were obvious enough. My question is, why the hell does he drop these otherwise useless hints without provocation?

Because how the f*ck else is he supposed to let the rest of the town know who he is? He doesn't want to out himself, but he wants the people who are saying he is scummy to back off and find a better target. His hints were probably the most pro-town thing he's done all game. Everyone should be hinting towards their role if they are town IMO... not as obviously as madmitch did, but oh well.

Two of the pieces I quoted were from early day one... Nobody was explicitly saying he was scummy back then. It was literally without provocation.

So he can't hint at a town role (based on flavor at least) without any provocation? I've done the exact same thing which is why I don't find it scummy. Mine wasn't nearly as obvious as his, but I do so to let people know who I am so that they can focus elsewhere.

Yup, he can't do that, because there is no reason to do it. The game revolves around the releasing of information at the right time. Hinting that you're the best friend of the protagonist from the get-go doesn't help anyone.. except maybe yourself. Now if I was to assume Madmitch knows what he's doing, I would say he dropped those hints to fall back on them later when he gets pressured. I would say that's a scum play. Adding that to his lack of posts and the fact that his posts are absolutely worthless, I would definitely denote him as scum and lynch him on the spot.
The question is: do I assume he knows what he's doing? Not really. One of Mitch's previous posts was a small rant about things getting way too complicated. The rest is pretty much worthless. He's showing the same behaviour as Pixar (without the mtam-voting bit). It feels 'too easy' to think they're both mafia, and it definitely feels 'easy' to then connect Dd to them as their main defender, but I will be damned if they are all let off the hook based on inexperience.


On the "everyone should claim" bit. This is metagaming and I'm sure people have differing views, but in short: no. Everyone should not claim. Not only do I feel it's an inherent part of the game to remain obscure for as long as possible; imo it's also helpful to do so. It seems straightforward that stronger abilities are related to stronger and/or more important characters in the story - two professors died and they both had strong power roles. This would help the town only if nobody lied about their role. As I said before, the mafia must have some pretty good fake claims because almost all the "good" characters are undoubtedly "good". Claims all around would result in the mafia knowing everything (since they know who lied - they are the liars) and town knowing near nothing. It's safe to assume the mafia would go after Ron Weasley before going after eg. Lavender Brown, but town protective roles are lost in the sea of strong claims, some of which are false.

[StorrZerg]

down to lynch anyone who doesn't have a vote on someone with more than 1 vote. (aka lone voters and no voters)

[Metsfanmax]

@Wing, let me clarify a few issues right now:

-Your pushing mitch into a name claim was a scummy move, imo (with the info I had then). There is always doubt while he didn't claim, and I prefer the smokescreen of doubt at night.
-It wasn't until AFTER the next few posts (summarizing all of mitch soft claims, i think it was Aage?), that I realized that he has been hinting all game long. I didn't figure it out until then.

Mets was very happy jumping on it, calling it lynch-worthy. IF the hints weren't there, I would already have switched votes. Are you considering WHY mitch has been soft hinting all game?

I think this has been a very generous interpretation of madmitch's skill. Plus it is not very much to go on: Ron Weasley isn't someone you need to set up. He's going to be a believable fake claim if it really is a mafia fakeclaim. We can hypothesize all we want about why he did it, but unless his fake claim was someone much more obscure it's never going to be more than wild conjecture.

The thing that bothers me most with Mets:

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

That post just lights up on every scum radar. Adding to that his content-less posts of D1 and early D2 (which I've already made a post about), and his fishing with me to see if his 'case' is gonna hold, I think I've made more of a case on him then you did.

Streaker's Vote (TM) on Mets:

1) I have a scum radar (TM) and it infallibly lights up when people say things that sound scummy.
2) Mets did not participate in the massive fuckup that was the end of D1. Only town would have contributed to that excellent outcome.
3) Only scum ever ask people for their opinions on things. Town always know they are right.

[aage]

Agreed on Pixar. The fact that he always looks scummy doesn't guarantee that he is town. FoS on Ragian for this. Saying Pix is always scummy whether he's town mafia or 3rd party and then saying "I will still maintain that he is town" based on this fact is just plain wrong.

Fine. I reserve the right to know Pix's meta when he's scum. Stor knows too. When scum, Pix buddies with a towny in order to gain cred. This time, he alienates everyone. I do not believe he's scum this game. I could be wrong, but that would mean that Pix has actually gotten worse at being scum. I just don't believe that.

Alright. This wasn't in your original post but I guess it was implied.

-It wasn't until AFTER the next few posts (summarizing all of mitch soft claims, i think it was Aage?), that I realized that he has been hinting all game long. I didn't figure it out until then.

Pretty sure Wing also gave a short summary of his soft claims here, albeit less comprehensible. You even directly responded to that post but then concluded that Wing must be scum. I guess this means I must be scum too? Or did you simply not read that part of Wing's post?

[aage]

@Wing, let me clarify a few issues right now:

-Your pushing mitch into a name claim was a scummy move, imo (with the info I had then). There is always doubt while he didn't claim, and I prefer the smokescreen of doubt at night.
-It wasn't until AFTER the next few posts (summarizing all of mitch soft claims, i think it was Aage?), that I realized that he has been hinting all game long. I didn't figure it out until then.

Mets was very happy jumping on it, calling it lynch-worthy. IF the hints weren't there, I would already have switched votes. Are you considering WHY mitch has been soft hinting all game?

I think this has been a very generous interpretation of madmitch's skill. Plus it is not very much to go on: Ron Weasley isn't someone you need to set up. He's going to be a believable fake claim if it really is a mafia fakeclaim. We can hypothesize all we want about why he did it, but unless his fake claim was someone much more obscure it's never going to be more than wild conjecture.

Precisely this.

The thing that bothers me most with Mets:

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

That post just lights up on every scum radar. Adding to that his content-less posts of D1 and early D2 (which I've already made a post about), and his fishing with me to see if his 'case' is gonna hold, I think I've made more of a case on him then you did.

Streaker's Vote (TM) on Mets:

1) I have a scum radar (TM) and it infallibly lights up when people say things that sound scummy.
2) Mets did not participate in the massive fuckup that was the end of D1. Only town would have contributed to that excellent outcome.
3) Only scum ever ask people for their opinions on things. Town always know they are right.

Way to strawman the arguments there. It doesn't really suit you, I liked your previous posts.


The push on Mets really seems strange to me. From what I've understood, the case relies on people pressuring Mets for no apparent reason, Mets coming out swinging and then people pointing fingers saying "look, told ya he was scum" based on one or two of his posts.

[aage]

The push on Mets really seems strange to me. From what I've understood, the case relies on people pressuring Mets for no apparent reason, Mets coming out swinging and then people pointing fingers saying "look, told ya he was scum" based on one or two of his posts.

EBWOP after a reread:

Based on a post about rolefishing revolving around Wing and a difference of opinion on how voting and cases work. This post by Mets imho is an excellent summary:

So let's review. The case you made against me to start with is "you said you wanted to lynch me, but you couldn't have been serious since you didn't vote for me."

Now the argument is "I voted for you, but I didn't say I wanted to lynch you."

This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Now what I don't understand is that players are following up on a whim brought about by one post - the rolefish accusation at Wing. In the process they're ignoring what lead to that post. Nobody seems to care that Madmitch claimed out of nowhere, and somehow people have decided Hotshot isn't worth the pressure, Madmitch claiming without reason is perfectly normal, Pixar not caring about anything other than killing HP is pro town, Dd alternating between zealously defending them and then voting them is fine and half the fucking players not making any entrance into the discussion whatsoever is irrelevant. Where is Mtam? Where is Tonk? Where is Talapsus? Where is Sempai? Where is Charm, who is apparently cursed but nobody cares? Where did Mudpuppy go after his push against me failed? Why is Strike V2.0 posting so little, beside his soft defense of Mets - we can't form a read on your new role if you're not posting!

What we need in this town is centralization, because apparently we are too divided to play coherently. I said before I'm not the Town Babysitter (at the moment, it seems Storr is since everyone is happily following him on Mets) but at this rate I'll have to switch careers.

[madmitch]

Well I didn,t realize I was going to cause this much of an uproar!!---lol-- I did what I needed to do to protect my friends and that was getting the evil scum after me. a lot of the new posts are really great and give me ideal I should change my vote and jump on the band wagon ,,but who,s? pixar or mets . I need to make the best vote for my mates and protect the king. UNVOTE for now.

[madmitch]

what is the vote now?

[aage]

protect the king.

What king?

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

mtamburini - Pixar
Pixar - mtamburini, Streaker, degaston, tonka, sempai, aage, dd (L-5)
Mets - Storr, HotShot, Ragian, Wing
MudPup - Endgame
Madmitch - Skill
aage - MudPup

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch

Deadline: Friday, 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time - firm (deadline won't drag like D1)

[StorrZerg]

22 alive, only 14 voting

5 of which are single voters

Need to consolidate and vote.

[StorrZerg]

unvote
vote pixar

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

EBWOP - 15 out of 22 voting, of which 4 are single voters.

I like that Mudpuppy is voting Aage, its just amusing. What exactly does he hope to achieve. Similar with Pixar, surprised he hasnt yet changed that one.

[MudPuppy]

EBWOP - 15 out of 22 voting, of which 4 are single voters.

I like that Mudpuppy is voting Aage, its just amusing. What exactly does he hope to achieve. Similar with Pixar, surprised he hasnt yet changed that one.

I'll be changing my aage vote as clearly there is no traction there... and he has been posting townishly lately... but, again, seeming townish is what scum is supposed to do. Pix is clearly the flavor of the moment but I'm not on board yet... My gut tells me that a scum *Pixar* would be a bit more reserved than the way he's currently playing. But I need a re-read before I place a new vote. I'll put one out later today.

for now, Unvote

[madmitch]

thanks for the count. VOTE PIXAR THE KING in this game would be HP I would think so

[aage]

I'll be changing my aage vote as clearly there is no traction there... and he has been posting townishly lately... but, again, seeming townish is what scum is supposed to do.

My townish posts make you think I'm scum and my scummy posts make you think I'm scum; either way I'm scum in your opinion. Here's a reverse logic if I ever saw one.

[MudPuppy]

I'll be changing my aage vote as clearly there is no traction there... and he has been posting townishly lately... but, again, seeming townish is what scum is supposed to do.

My townish posts make you think I'm scum and my scummy posts make you think I'm scum; either way I'm scum in your opinion. Here's a reverse logic if I ever saw one.

Not what I said. I'm taking your townish posts with a grain of salt because I'm suspicious of you.

Are you suggesting that Mafia will be posting nothing but scummish posts? If so, best of luck in your scum-hunting endeavors.

[StorrZerg]

Same to you Mudpuppy

[degaston]

Shouldn't Sempai have two votes?

[MudPuppy]

Shouldn't Sempai have two votes?

I think he likely has to cast his Patronus (sp?) spell before the 2nd one counts.

[sempaispellcheck]

Shouldn't Sempai have two votes?

I think he likely has to cast his Patronus (sp?) spell before the 2nd one counts.

Yep. Haven't done that yet - will sometime today.
And yes, MP, that is the correct spelling.

sempai