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[Endgame422]

Mitch always seems to make little jokes and statements regarding his role so the ron hints are no suprise.
And dd pushing lynches on your list of lowest posters(half of that list has outposted you)just makes no sense to me.
Its useful info to have but i just dont think its enough to determine who is scum(especailly with players who just generally post less like hotshot/virus).
FPed

[dd515087]

Mitch always seems to make little jokes and statements regarding his role so the ron hints are no suprise.
And dd pushing lynches on your list of lowest posters(half of that list has outposted you)just makes no sense to me.
Its useful info to have but i just dont think its enough to determine who is scum(especailly with players who just generally post less like hotshot/virus).
FPed

I said we should lynch from those lowest posters I didn't push for anyone in particular besides Sniper.

[dd515087]

There is no way that all 22 players alive in this game understood exactly what he was hinting to.

You can bet your bottom dollar at least one of Mafia worked it out, and they can talk at night. Lets damn well make sure that everyone in Town understands it too. Stop pushing a case that doesnt exist.

You are just as scummy as Mets, and will be next on the list, along with Streaker. Dont worry we didnt miss that.

I wouldn't bet shit. I skimmed over and missed his first couple of hints and it wasn't until the 3rd one that I got it and went back to the rest of his posts to find out if there were any others (which there were and that confirmed his role for me).

[*Pixar*]

I would also like to state that I will be keeping my vote on mtam for the reason that I don't believe a claim so highly.

Got Tonkaed if I counted right is at 105 posts

fped

[dazza2008]

Pix the vote on mtam is a waste. He's never getting lynched today so what are you hoping to achieve?

[dd515087]

I would also like to state that I will be keeping my vote on mtam for the reason that I don't believe a claim so highly.

Got Tonkaed if I counted right is at 105 posts

fped

Okay... Well in that case unvote, vote Pixar

Sniper is still mafia in my mind though

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

DD - Are you aware that the biggest scum tell of all is getting really really jumpy when someone else is under threat?

[degaston]

i know you don't care for my posts, probably why you are skimming so much, however I have made comments regarding his alignment

Even if I was skimming, which I don't think I am, I don't think you're going to get a lot of traction with that accusation in a nearly 1300 post thread.

And where are your comments on his alignment that lead you to want to vote for him? The best I can find are:

Well Mrs.Norris looks like we have another goodie goodie student wondering the halls, maybe we should get mets to be a hall monitor. (Town read on mets)

Deal with mets This game. Has a massive hard on when it comes to defending people and giving town reads. His scummy reads tend to be off hand comments about play, while not offering or trying to push harder on his scum target. He isn't asking people inquisitive questions, and his conversation is kept to a minimum, just banter between him and streaker really.

Pressuring mets great.
claim? Not sure. Need others to weigh in.

im going to relook hotshot, I think he has a bigger chance of being scum. More to follow.

Ps.mets call out on Hotshot's "scum read" was weird. Hotshot's case was jut entirely play by play commentary of mets, with a conclusion of "well I guess scum". And mets reaction seemed a bit overly defensive.

I get the feeling storr started the "case" on me just to see what others would say/see how I would respond, not because he actually thinks I am scum, especially since he voted for one of my cases rather than for me lol.

you dont have a case on mets. you came to a rambling conclusion, you are not actively seeking to inform people that mets is scum, you are chewing on it as an afterthought.

You don't even seem to have a consistent viewpoint, much less a reason for voting for him. If I've missed something, please show me where you made your case against mets.

What I really don't like about your posts is that I feel they are hurting the town. On D1, first you caused most of the conversation to be about you and your unforced claim, then you turned a potential lynch of a non-town player (you), into a lynch on Pershy. Now you have muddied the waters on who should claim, without giving any logical reasoning, and as a result It may become difficult to get more than one claim and still have time to discuss who should be lynched.

I'm fine if both mets and pixar claim if that's how people want to go - I think it's pretty much a crap-shoot anyway, in large part because of the disorganized way that day 1 ended. But we can't get both of them to claim at the same time, so we'd have to go after first one, then the other. I don't think that "Pixar always looks scummy, therefore he can't be scum" is much of an argument against getting him to claim.

[dd515087]

DD - Are you aware that the biggest scum tell of all is getting really really jumpy when someone else is under threat?

1) what you seem to be implying is if anyone defends someone else they must be scum buddies
2) not doing that at all anyway

[strike wolf]

There is no way that all 22 players alive in this game understood exactly what he was hinting to.

You can bet your bottom dollar at least one of Mafia worked it out, and they can talk at night. Lets damn well make sure that everyone in Town understands it too. Stop pushing a case that doesnt exist.

You are just as scummy as Mets, and will be next on the list, along with Streaker. Dont worry we didnt miss that.

This if there is a role hint that 5 town get but one mafia dont. Only thosr 5 town know but every mafia will know by the time night is over.

[aage]

Wings didn't ask Madmitch to give any information about his role, he just asked him to f*cking fullclaim already, since his "hints" were obvious enough. My question is, why the hell does he drop these otherwise useless hints without provocation?

Because how the f*ck else is he supposed to let the rest of the town know who he is? He doesn't want to out himself, but he wants the people who are saying he is scummy to back off and find a better target. His hints were probably the most pro-town thing he's done all game. Everyone should be hinting towards their role if they are town IMO... not as obviously as madmitch did, but oh well.

Two of the pieces I quoted were from early day one... Nobody was explicitly saying he was scummy back then. It was literally without provocation.

I would also like to state that I will be keeping my vote on mtam for the reason that I don't believe a claim so highly.

Got Tonkaed if I counted right is at 105 posts

fped

Okay... Well in that case unvote, vote Pixar

Sniper is still mafia in my mind though

Pixar voting Mtam is old news, why does this particular post change your mind?

[aage]

What I really don't like about your posts is that I feel they are hurting the town. On D1, first you caused most of the conversation to be about you and your unforced claim, then you turned a potential lynch of a non-town player (you), into a lynch on Pershy. Now you have muddied the waters on who should claim, without giving any logical reasoning, and as a result It may become difficult to get more than one claim and still have time to discuss who should be lynched.

I'm fine if both mets and pixar claim if that's how people want to go - I think it's pretty much a crap-shoot anyway, in large part because of the disorganized way that day 1 ended. But we can't get both of them to claim at the same time, so we'd have to go after first one, then the other. I don't think that "Pixar always looks scummy, therefore he can't be scum" is much of an argument against getting him to claim.

We assume Storr is third party. It's not his fault people are taking his word for gospel, even though he does try very hard

Agreed on Pixar. The fact that he always looks scummy doesn't guarantee that he is town. FoS on Ragian for this. Saying Pix is always scummy whether he's town mafia or 3rd party and then saying "I will still maintain that he is town" based on this fact is just plain wrong.

[dd515087]

Wings didn't ask Madmitch to give any information about his role, he just asked him to f*cking fullclaim already, since his "hints" were obvious enough. My question is, why the hell does he drop these otherwise useless hints without provocation?

Because how the f*ck else is he supposed to let the rest of the town know who he is? He doesn't want to out himself, but he wants the people who are saying he is scummy to back off and find a better target. His hints were probably the most pro-town thing he's done all game. Everyone should be hinting towards their role if they are town IMO... not as obviously as madmitch did, but oh well.

Two of the pieces I quoted were from early day one... Nobody was explicitly saying he was scummy back then. It was literally without provocation.

So he can't hint at a town role (based on flavor at least) without any provocation? I've done the exact same thing which is why I don't find it scummy. Mine wasn't nearly as obvious as his, but I do so to let people know who I am so that they can focus elsewhere.

I would also like to state that I will be keeping my vote on mtam for the reason that I don't believe a claim so highly.

Got Tonkaed if I counted right is at 105 posts

fped

Okay... Well in that case unvote, vote Pixar

Sniper is still mafia in my mind though

Pixar voting Mtam is old news, why does this particular post change your mind?[/quote]
The fact that he has a lot of pressure on him and does nothing to alleviate it. Also this post is after pretty much everyone has said "we are not lynching mtam today", which means he's just wasting his vote and doesn't care = not town. Plus it looks like (as of now) we are going to be lynching one of Pixar or Mets and I would much rather lynch pixar.

[degaston]

I'd like to make things clear... just because Mets doesnt want to vote me on a lynch is sooooo scummy?

It sounds like you might be talking about my post to Storr, in which case you got it all backwards. My comment was that if Mets was scum (as Storr seemed to think), and Mets stated that he would not want to lynch you, but had given no reason for this statement, then that might be a clue that you were also scum.

Complete Bullshit. How about the rest of the players who havent voted me yet, and probably have the same idea as mets?

I would imagine that if you are scum, then other scum would not want to see you lynched either, but as far as I know, none of them have stated it as unequivocally and without justification.

They are Scum for sure! as this point everyone is lost on what to do anymore and are finding any and I mean ANY reason to vote for someone. Complete Joke

I don't find this kind of persecution talk to be a very convincing defense. I think you have drawn attention to yourself with your unforced soft-claim, and your focus on Storr and Mtam that was completely unproductive to the town.

I also don't think that Mets helped your (or his) case at all. Here are all of the posts where he mentions you:

Pixar: ...whatever. He needs to post more before we can say anything definitive, but what we have so far is strange.

Have people played other games with Pixar? Is this playstyle abnormal for him?

Thoughts on Pixar?

None.

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

There's no explanation for how he got from thinking your play is strange, to having no opinion on you, to wanting you not to be lynched.

[Metsfanmax]

How does "I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch" turn into "wanting Pixar not to be lynched?" You all are truly excellent at twisting words beyond the recognition of the people who uttered them.

[StorrZerg]

How does "I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch" turn into "wanting Pixar not to be lynched?" You all are truly excellent at twisting words beyond the recognition of the people who uttered them.

This is a joke of a comment right?
he isn't twisting anything, and its a very very verryy reasonable conclusion to make when someone says "i dont want to join that lynch"

[Metsfanmax]

How does "I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch" turn into "wanting Pixar not to be lynched?" You all are truly excellent at twisting words beyond the recognition of the people who uttered them.

This is a joke of a comment right?
he isn't twisting anything, and its a very very verryy reasonable conclusion to make when someone says "i dont want to join that lynch"

It is an unreasonable conclusion. What my comment actually means is that there are lynches that I think would likely be better than the Pixar lynch. That doesn't mean I think the Pixar lynch would be net bad for town -- and therefore not want it -- it means that if I am going to choose, I am not going to choose that one. It also doesn't mean that I object to lynching Pixar, in the sense that I think he is better alive than dead. What it does mean is that right now I think the case for the lynch is not that strong. I could be convinced to join on the lynch if there is a more convincing reason to vote for him, so it is therefore completely incorrect to say that I don't want him to be lynched.

Now that you know, please refrain from making such a statement again.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

METS We are not voting you for not wanting to lynch Pixar, Ignoring the actual issue here?

Nice work Pixar, completely twisting things. I'm not defending you anymore, confused townie you are not.

[Ragian]

I'll state again that I'm not saying that Pix isn't scummy. He's always scummy in every game we play whether he's town, scum, or third party. To be honest, Pix wouldn't be a bad player if he paid attention. But he doesn't. I will still maintain that he is town.

Mets, however, did something weird that others have also picked up on. As has been established by several, wing never role-fished. He merely said that if madmitch really wanted to name-claim, he should do so as everyone with knowledge of Harry Potter already were in the know. (I.e. saying, stop with the flavour BS and play mafia.) To me, it seems as if mets just went for the lowest hanging fruit (now that simply going for an inactive seems a dead fish in most players' opinions). That is the most scummy I've seen so far today and it kinda reminds me of charm on D1.

vote mets

Give me one reason that he should let everyone know who he is. It's not like he was close to lynch. There was no reason to let everyone know.

Also why is Mets scummy for saying that, but I'm not? Or is it easier to just jump on the bandwagon and not bring that up at all?

If I am only allowed to give you one reasons, I would favour the "scum doesn't know who is who so when you hint at it because you want to seem town, you a) paint a huge target on your back if you're a major role or b) narrow down the hit list for scum if you're not.

I'm not saying that you're not scummy. I'm putting my vote where I find it to yield the most pressure. I'm usually not around when the deadlines are enforced when the mod is a merkin (American). So if I were to vote for you (or streaker for that matter), my vote would most likely be wasted again.

Agreed on Pixar. The fact that he always looks scummy doesn't guarantee that he is town. FoS on Ragian for this. Saying Pix is always scummy whether he's town mafia or 3rd party and then saying "I will still maintain that he is town" based on this fact is just plain wrong.

Fine. I reserve the right to know Pix's meta when he's scum. Stor knows too. When scum, Pix buddies with a towny in order to gain cred. This time, he alienates everyone. I do not believe he's scum this game. I could be wrong, but that would mean that Pix has actually gotten worse at being scum. I just don't believe that.

FP'ed by Wing

[Metsfanmax]

METS We are not voting you for not wanting to lynch Pixar, Ignoring the actual issue here?

The reason you stated when voting for me (because I said that you did a lynch-worthy thing without actually voting to lynch you in the same breath) is a non-issue, and I'm not going to waste time on that discussion. If you've got a real case on me, I'll answer it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Read as - "I dont care who mafia are, but you can be sure its not me"

Vote Mets

Too many people have pointed out that the most inactive player lynch is not going to happen. So Unvote. It was good though as it got people talking again, that and Epitath adding the deadline of Friday. I cant however, keep my vote on Sniper based on his inactivity alone.

I can however, re Vote Mets, as nothing has got better, he has instead managed to created a silly argument against me. A touch of the OMGUS about it to boot. There were only two people on his case till he made that comment, and one of them is the claimed third party survivor.

I'm voting you for so much more. You didnt answer it then either. You're an experienced player, yet have offered nothing and actively tried to disrupt discussion.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

METS We are not voting you for not wanting to lynch Pixar, Ignoring the actual issue here?

The reason you stated when voting for me (because I said that you did a lynch-worthy thing without actually voting to lynch you in the same breath) is a non-issue, and I'm not going to waste time on that discussion. If you've got a real case on me, I'll answer it.

It isnt a non-issue. If you had logged on and said "sorry guys, I see the logic I was wrong" it might be a non-issue. So yes lets waste time on it.

[Metsfanmax]

I'm voting you for so much more. You didnt answer it then either. You're an experienced player, yet have offered nothing and actively tried to disrupt discussion.

Pop quiz. Which one of these players is actively attempting to disrupt discussion?

Player A: Observes a scummy incidence of role-fishing, calls it out, decides not to vote on it at the time due to the likely futility of a lynch of that player, and says nothing more about it.
Player B: Responds to said single post with multiple pages of posts demanding that Player A answer for his heinous crime.

[Metsfanmax]

I'm voting you for so much more. You didnt answer it then either. You're an experienced player, yet have offered nothing and actively tried to disrupt discussion.

Pop quiz. Which one of these players is actively attempting to disrupt discussion?

Player A: Observes a scummy incidence of role-fishing, calls it out, decides not to vote on it at the time due to the likely futility of attempting a lynch of that player, and says nothing more about it.
Player B: Responds to said single post with multiple pages of posts demanding that Player A answer for his heinous crime.

EBWOP

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I didnt Rolefish, and narrowing the game down to one incident is what you tried to argue last time. I never demanded you were lynched, I pointed out the utter stupidity of your comment, and others decided that was enough for them. Keep twisting.

If you are town, your vote is your weapon, if you are not willing to use it, then why bother?