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[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Madmitch just come out and say your Ron Weasly. Your hints are so strong just say it. (Dont say what your role is unless asked though.)

Uhh... rolefish much? Why can't someone hint at their role without being forced to claim? That's scummy as f*ck right there, town should just move on and know that there are better lynch targets (people who haven't hinted). What if Ron has some great night action? It just gives mafia targets to hit at night. I would not mind lynching you for this post right here.

Madmitch can no longer and pointless posts containing only flavour. I did not rolefish. I also dont care what his role is and asked him not to disclose it. But by all means you and Mets continue to push this argument as there is zero truth to it. I forced Madmitch to disclose a piece of information he had already disclosed of his own volition.

Nice to see Mets doesnt explain himself again. Just jumping onboard. Smooth operator there.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

Are you going to look at my entire contribution to town, or zone in on this one point? Trying to build a case from nothing are you?

[StorrZerg]

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

Absolutely is not lynch worthy. He isn't role fishing, he wants to stop the fluff.

It's a name claim, not a role claim.

[StorrZerg]

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

Are you going to look at my entire contribution to town, or zone in on this one point? Trying to build a case from nothing are you?

Duh why do you think he isn't bothering to talk about reads

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

Are you going to look at my entire contribution to town, or zone in on this one point? Trying to build a case from nothing are you?

Duh why do you think he isn't bothering to talk about reads

Because Mets is scum, but as of yet its only us two and Hotshots half read that think so.

[StorrZerg]

I mean hotshot scum with him, otherwise he would vote nets. He wouldn't be held up on his Push that holds as much depth as a bathtub

[degaston]

Was anyone happy with the way day 1 ended? (except Storr) Do people want to stand around navel-gazing for another week until we have another shit-storm when the next deadline comes, or should we try to focus and compromise so that we can have an actual lynch after people have had time to make a decision and stand by it?

Pixar may, or may not be the scummiest candidate out there, but he's half-way to a lynch right now, and several others have expressed suspicion of him, but are not voting for him at the moment. I think the bystanders should climb on the bandwagon, have him claim as soon as possible, and then we'll have time to discuss whether he's lynch-worthy, or to decide if the attention should shift to someone else.

If someone has a better idea, go ahead and suggest it.

[StorrZerg]

care to comment on mets or hotshot deg?

[degaston]

care to comment on mets or hotshot deg?

I can't say that I have a strong read on either one right now. Maybe very slightly scummy for both because of a lack of posts/effort, but I think there are worse offenders, and nothing specific has jumped out at me about them yet.

Let's take a look at the case you presented when you voted for mets:

vote mets

Hmmmm, yes, that is quite compelling, I have to admit, but I'll probably need more time to properly analyze it. Keep up the good work, though!

But if you actually have a reason for thinking that mets is scum, then this post:

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

might be a hint that pixar could also be scum. I don't see any reason given by Mets for defending pixar - he just doesn't want to join in.

[StorrZerg]

i know you don't care for my posts, probably why you are skimming so much, however I have made comments regarding his alignment, ( hint so has wing and hotshot) and your blue text regarding his opinion of pixar, is just one of many like comments regarding cases on anyone. (He defends a lot of people )

if anything its him placing distance on an obvious town claim.

[strike wolf]

Mets usually plays the skeptic as town day 1 & 2. That part of his play is completely uninteresting to me.

[aage]

Madmitch just come out and say your Ron Weasly. Your hints are so strong just say it. (Dont say what your role is unless asked though.)

Uhh... rolefish much? Why can't someone hint at their role without being forced to claim? That's scummy as f*ck right there, town should just move on and know that there are better lynch targets (people who haven't hinted). What if Ron has some great night action? It just gives mafia targets to hit at night. I would not mind lynching you for this post right here.

AHHH!!!you never let me talk about my rat , he,s missing. I claim I am RON WEASLEY . I know I am not much of a wizard but I do my best to protect my friends

...Why are you claiming?


Even though Ron is supposedly a good guy, this is suspicious as f*ck.

Agreed, I don't think it is as suspicious as Wings post above though, he was pushed into it.

Yeah, he was totally pushed into it...
Let's look at his previous posts?

what a long boring trip by train,why didn,t I take the car flying is some much more fun,oh I forgot the car was wrecked and is not acting as it usual self .but I still want to fly

Ron's dad owns a flying car which Ron and Harry use to go to Hogwards with in The Chamber of Secrets.

VOTE SKILL The reaons are your are being a rude nasty person just like a scummy mafia type would do. and the other reason is you voted for me.I know it is a weak reason but it is just as good as some others and now I can try out my new wand

Ron's wand is broken at the beginning of The Chamber of Secrets, right after the flying car business.

@Ragian why walk when you can ride? anyway I gave you my reason as childish as it was H e chose me ,so I returned the favor,it was a chess move to see who would say what and what would happen? by the way wizards chess is awesome! Another insane move is to vote for someone that has less then 40 posts..why not go back and count how many times a player has been put up to be hanged their might be something there.

Ron plays the wizards chess game in The Philosopher's Stone that helps Harry stop Quirrel.


Wings didn't ask Madmitch to give any information about his role, he just asked him to f*cking fullclaim already, since his "hints" were obvious enough. My question is, why the hell does he drop these otherwise useless hints without provocation?

[aage]

Was anyone happy with the way day 1 ended? (except Storr) Do people want to stand around navel-gazing for another week until we have another shit-storm when the next deadline comes, or should we try to focus and compromise so that we can have an actual lynch after people have had time to make a decision and stand by it?

Pixar may, or may not be the scummiest candidate out there, but he's half-way to a lynch right now, and several others have expressed suspicion of him, but are not voting for him at the moment. I think the bystanders should climb on the bandwagon, have him claim as soon as possible, and then we'll have time to discuss whether he's lynch-worthy, or to decide if the attention should shift to someone else.

If someone has a better idea, go ahead and suggest it.

I agree we have to get a move on.

I still support the push on Hotshot, since Pixar and Madmitch just seem to be bad players (no offence) and I don't really see a big case on Mets but I haven't looked at his posts specifically... but since the deadline is in four days with no extension offered I'll unvote, vote Pixar. I'd like to see a full claim before we don't have time to discuss anyone else.

[HotShot53]

Alright Storr, I've looked at the posts from this day so far and a few of Hotshot's posts from day one and I kind of agree up to a point. His day one posts were fairly short, and they were few. Especially this post sticks out:

I would have preferred everyone switching to storr.... but since the choice is now between pershy and deg, deg's claim is fuller and more believeable, plus he has been more active and will probably be more help to town in the future, so I will unvote, vote pershy

Well... looks like I was FP and he has enough votes on him already, so I will unvote vote storr as the person who should have been lynched amongst the claimed people

Voting Pershy for good form but switching to you (Storr), also apparently for good form, as if the bandwagon on Pershy is tainted. He expresses support to the Pershy wagon and associates himself with it, but switches off when he notices that he can. I can't help but feel he jumped off because he knew Pershy was town. HotShot, why did you do this?

It's the same way I vote in real-life elections... if the race between republican/democrat is pretty close and there is a chance my vote could matter, I will vote for the one of them that I prefer... but if the race is decided already and not close, then I'll vote for a third party I like more than the republican/democrat, even if the person I'm voting for doesn't have any chance at actually winning the election. So here, if my vote would have been the difference between pershy and deg, as I stated, I preferred pershy to be lynched of those two. But since my vote wasn't needed, I voted who I really thought should be lynched at that point, storr.

Then we have the day 2 posts. Out of the ten-ish pages we have, there are four posts containing a vote analysis of the end of day one, and two of those are actually by HotShot.

Dd
Dd seems to have missed Sempais double vote which puts a dent in his Mudpuppy analysis, other than that it's a decent enough start but he seems to focus on Mudpuppy over everyone else.

Degaston
This analysis I like the least because Deg gives us two scenarios for each player and then connects a read to it with no particular motivation. His "strongly town"-read on Mudpuppy seems based on the fact that MP believed his claim. His other reads are not substantially supported at all.

Hotshot on the Pershy wagon
Hotshot on the Degaston wagon
These are decent analyses compared to the previous two, but as Storr said they are a point-by-point description of what the players did and then a read based on a hunch or feeling.
It should be noted that HotShot believes scum to be on the Degaston wagon, and not on the Pershy wagon (by extension, this probably means he believes Dega to be town, despite his unconvincing ); that he votes for Dazza, who was on the Pershy wagon, even though he has two suspects on the Degaston wagon; and that he himself has associated himself with the Pershy wagon he proclaims as a Town wagon as discussed above.

My opinion was that scum could very well be on both wagons, that's why I looked at them. After analyzing them, my guess would be that more stayed with deg than voted pershy, but that doesn't mean that dazza couldn't be scum and have voted differently from his teammates.

The problem is that this is the only effort so far to get cases rolling. There have been some new cases and votes for them but few of them are warranted and none of them are convincing. Analysing the wagons is a very good starting point, even if HotShot doesn't bring his points home, not even close tbh.

I'll vote HotShot just to get some pressure rolling because I want him to respond to this, specifically concerning the quoted post above, and I want other people to get involved in the game again. Activity is eye watering.


On a related note Storr, do you think that the mafia significantly supported the wagon on either Pershy or Dega?

I hope this response is what you were looking for...

[HotShot53]

14 for madmitch.

@ hotshot, quality is definatly more important then quantity, thats my opinion aswell. but some people are really not here.

Umm... virus... you are one of the people who is "really not here", you have 1 more post than the least poster lol. And your only other post of day 2 so far has been:

ok well i agree with what wing and hotshot have said this day.
in my (and their) opinion:
mtam, HP until proven otherwise.
storr, filch until proven otherwise

Also i think the push on pixar is legit. he now semi claimed something that prevented a kill n1. but to be honest thats not enough in my opinion its not verifyable (is that a word?) and needs more then just some vague "i saved the day".

as for pixar madmitch and charm wanting to lynch mtam i am pretty surprised... pixar will have to claim for it i guess, the others might be nice for further investigation.

at this point though it might just aswell be that a majority of scum is not really participating and joining the discussion. i think we should try to pull in some more people. (not saying i, myself am a huge poster, but to many hiding places for now)

also i think later during this day i will look further into the quick wagon formed late d1. not sure what to make of it but was strange for sure.

You might take your own advice and pull in yourself some more.

[StorrZerg]

@hotshot, why not push mets.

[HotShot53]

@hotshot, why not push mets.

I was getting there, just didn't quite give me enough time lol.

That thing from Wing is indeed lynch-worthy. I don't really think I'd want to join in on a Pixar lynch, Streaker, but if you're interested in Wing we can do that.

No, this is not lynch worthy, all he did was to get him to say his "name" rather than just hinting about it. Since he didn't give any role with it, and specifically said to not give the role, it can't be construed as role fishing in any way. Scum already knows who is not scum... so having a name on a person shouldn't really help them in any way or hurt town, but could help town if he is town and his name claim causes people to not lynch him.

If you believed it was so lynch worthy, why didn't you put in a vote then? So far you have said almost everyone is town and defended them, and now that you do find something lynch worthy, you still don't put in a vote. This, plus my previous post with my read on you, is enough to unvote, vote mets

(Note - I still think Dazza is scummy, but there are probably quite a few scum in this game, so one scum is just as good as another scum to lynch, and at this point it's more likely for that one to be mets. And as I previously said, I don't think scum would so publicly go after a claimed HP, so my guess is that pixar is actually town.)

[Ragian]

I'll state again that I'm not saying that Pix isn't scummy. He's always scummy in every game we play whether he's town, scum, or third party. To be honest, Pix wouldn't be a bad player if he paid attention. But he doesn't. I will still maintain that he is town.

Mets, however, did something weird that others have also picked up on. As has been established by several, wing never role-fished. He merely said that if madmitch really wanted to name-claim, he should do so as everyone with knowledge of Harry Potter already were in the know. (I.e. saying, stop with the flavour BS and play mafia.) To me, it seems as if mets just went for the lowest hanging fruit (now that simply going for an inactive seems a dead fish in most players' opinions). That is the most scummy I've seen so far today and it kinda reminds me of charm on D1.

vote mets

[*Pixar*]

sorry fellas just got a hard labor job havent been able to be in forums, just taking turns, I'll try to catch up tonight

[dd515087]

Madmitch just come out and say your Ron Weasly. Your hints are so strong just say it. (Dont say what your role is unless asked though.)

Uhh... rolefish much? Why can't someone hint at their role without being forced to claim? That's scummy as f*ck right there, town should just move on and know that there are better lynch targets (people who haven't hinted). What if Ron has some great night action? It just gives mafia targets to hit at night. I would not mind lynching you for this post right here.

Madmitch can no longer and pointless posts containing only flavour. I did not rolefish. I also dont care what his role is and asked him not to disclose it. But by all means you and Mets continue to push this argument as there is zero truth to it. I forced Madmitch to disclose a piece of information he had already disclosed of his own volition.

Nice to see Mets doesnt explain himself again. Just jumping onboard. Smooth operator there.

(for the blue highlighted) No you didn't. There is no way that all 22 players alive in this game understood exactly what he was hinting to.

To me, it was very obvious who he was. I knew he was hinting towards Ron, you knew he was hinting towards Ron. My question is why did you out him and force him to reveal that he is in fact Ron? Ron is one of the main trio (Harry, Ron, Hermione) in the book. He probably (IMO could be wrong) has a pretty fucking good spell/power/whatever because he's an important character. Now the baddies who may or may not have already figured out that he was hinting towards Ron know for sure that he is Ron. If I were baddie I'd be targeting Ron because he is such an important character in the books.

So now my question is why would a town person want Ron to out himself (if they knew he was hinting towards Ron)? I don't have an answer for that.

The other question is why would a scum want Ron to out himself (if they knew he was hinting towards Ron)? IDK maybe to make sure that he was a good kill target/ block target/ whatever target for the next night phase. Therefore you forcing the claim out of him makes you scummy in my eyes.

But by all means continue to be really defensive over two people pushing you for one thing, and keep defending yourself with, "but look at all the other stuff I've done that's helped the town."

Wings didn't ask Madmitch to give any information about his role, he just asked him to f*cking fullclaim already, since his "hints" were obvious enough. My question is, why the hell does he drop these otherwise useless hints without provocation?

Because how the f*ck else is he supposed to let the rest of the town know who he is? He doesn't want to out himself, but he wants the people who are saying he is scummy to back off and find a better target. His hints were probably the most pro-town thing he's done all game. Everyone should be hinting towards their role if they are town IMO... not as obviously as madmitch did, but oh well.

[dd515087]

I'll state again that I'm not saying that Pix isn't scummy. He's always scummy in every game we play whether he's town, scum, or third party. To be honest, Pix wouldn't be a bad player if he paid attention. But he doesn't. I will still maintain that he is town.

Mets, however, did something weird that others have also picked up on. As has been established by several, wing never role-fished. He merely said that if madmitch really wanted to name-claim, he should do so as everyone with knowledge of Harry Potter already were in the know. (I.e. saying, stop with the flavour BS and play mafia.) To me, it seems as if mets just went for the lowest hanging fruit (now that simply going for an inactive seems a dead fish in most players' opinions). That is the most scummy I've seen so far today and it kinda reminds me of charm on D1.

vote mets

Give me one reason that he should let everyone know who he is. It's not like he was close to lynch. There was no reason to let everyone know.

Also why is Mets scummy for saying that, but I'm not? Or is it easier to just jump on the bandwagon and not bring that up at all?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There is no way that all 22 players alive in this game understood exactly what he was hinting to.

You can bet your bottom dollar at least one of Mafia worked it out, and they can talk at night. Lets damn well make sure that everyone in Town understands it too. Stop pushing a case that doesnt exist.

You are just as scummy as Mets, and will be next on the list, along with Streaker. Dont worry we didnt miss that.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Read as - "I dont care who mafia are, but you can be sure its not me"

Vote Mets

Too many people have pointed out that the most inactive player lynch is not going to happen. So Unvote. It was good though as it got people talking again, that and Epitath adding the deadline of Friday. I cant however, keep my vote on Sniper based on his inactivity alone.

I can however, re Vote Mets, as nothing has got better, he has instead managed to created a silly argument against me. A touch of the OMGUS about it to boot. There were only two people on his case till he made that comment, and one of them is the claimed third party survivor.

[*Pixar*]

I'd like to make things clear... just because Mets doesnt want to vote me on a lynch is sooooo scummy? Complete Bullshit. How about the rest of the players who havent voted me yet, and probably have the same idea as mets? They are Scum for sure! as this point everyone is lost on what to do anymore and are finding any and I mean ANY reason to vote for someone. Complete Joke

[StorrZerg]

People are not voting mets because he defended you.