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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:56 am

Thezzaruz wrote: In fact I'd like to know a bit more about why you did protect Ace, seems like the worst possible move even with pmc's dying support???


If Ace is Mafia and I protect Ace: Nothing would happen he kills someone.
If Ace is not Mafia and I protect Ace: I protected a cop.

If Ace is not Mafia and I do not protect Ace: I thought for certain that Mafia would kill him.
If Ace is Mafia and I protect someone else: Ace kills someone, I have a 25% chance of correctly guessing who to protect. Either protecting Thzz, Stroop, Cena, Snorri. 1 of which is also mafia.

The post that threw it over the top was how Ace posted his roll BEFORE pmc did. Then pmc posted both roll his with Ace's and how much of a perfect match they were. Not to mention PMC's convivtion on his death bed.

Why would Ace claim that he was a cop, on the first day, and then not be the cop? That would be suicide. Things just didn't seem right, and still don't. My thoughts were that either PMC was lying, or they both were telling the truth.

Now, the reason I put my vote back on Stroop:
Since no one has hammered stroop, and reasons stated before as to why you both can't be scum, unless you are playing some sick joke on us where you want us to suffer before you kill the last of us:
Either Ace and Stroop are scum and Ace does not want to hammer a scum budy, or Cena and Stroop are scum and trying to make one of them look innocent. Since Stroop is in both of my Scum sets, he is a safe bet for me.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Thezzaruz on Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:49 pm

I still don't agree but hey we all do stuff a bit differently.

Simon, could we have a VC and an updated first post?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Stroop on Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:59 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:I still don't agree but hey we all do stuff a bit differently.

Yeah, but why even consider an impossibility? I think he just didn't think his role claim through and claimed to have protected Ace after he noticed that he was a confirmed cop, and now explaining that by saying he trusted the other confirmed cop who said Ace seemed legit.

I've been playing around with one question. What's more likely, Simon putting in two cops and one doctor or accidentally putting in a second cop instead of the doctor?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:52 pm

Stroop wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:I still don't agree but hey we all do stuff a bit differently.

Yeah, but why even consider an impossibility? I think he just didn't think his role claim through and claimed to have protected Ace after he noticed that he was a confirmed cop, and now explaining that by saying he trusted the other confirmed cop who said Ace seemed legit.

I've been playing around with one question. What's more likely, Simon putting in two cops and one doctor or accidentally putting in a second cop instead of the doctor?


Or he put a Dr. and accidentally put two cops. You think my only plausiable theory is that you and Cena are scum. What makes you 100% sure that Ace has no chance of being scum. SV never said that there were two cops, he just said that the rolls may be different. What makes you so sure there is no mafia cop?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Simon Viavant on Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:01 pm

Lalala... Vote Count:

Stroop: 2 votes (cena, suspect)
Suspect: 1 vote (Stroop)

Not voting: Ace, Thezz
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Stroop on Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:38 am

Suspect101 wrote:
Stroop wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:I still don't agree but hey we all do stuff a bit differently.

Yeah, but why even consider an impossibility? I think he just didn't think his role claim through and claimed to have protected Ace after he noticed that he was a confirmed cop, and now explaining that by saying he trusted the other confirmed cop who said Ace seemed legit.

I've been playing around with one question. What's more likely, Simon putting in two cops and one doctor or accidentally putting in a second cop instead of the doctor?


Or he put a Dr. and accidentally put two cops. You think my only plausiable theory is that you and Cena are scum. What makes you 100% sure that Ace has no chance of being scum. SV never said that there were two cops, he just said that the rolls may be different. What makes you so sure there is no mafia cop?

I'm not sure there's not a mafia cop. I just don't think Simon would screw up that bad. I can see how he would accidentally replace the doc by a cop, that's an easy mistake to make. Putting in two cops and a doc, or even a mafia cop would just be too weird IMO.

By the way, if you were immediately so sure Ace's role PM was legit, why are you still considering he's a mafia cop?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:41 am

Suspect101 wrote:
If Ace is Mafia and I protect Ace: Nothing would happen he kills someone.
If Ace is not Mafia and I protect Ace: I protected a cop.

If Ace is not Mafia and I do not protect Ace: I thought for certain that Mafia would kill him.
If Ace is Mafia and I protect someone else: Ace kills someone, I have a 25% chance of correctly guessing who to protect. Either protecting Thzz, Stroop, Cena, Snorri. 1 of which is also mafia.



Becuase if he is a town cop, I do not want him dead. Why do you want me not to protect him, so you can kill him?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Stroop on Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:14 am

I have a proposal to everyone.

We lynch cena. I think everyone is pretty sure cena is scum. He's either my buddy, or he's Suspect's buddy.

In night 2, Ace investigates either me or Suspect. Suspect protects Ace.

If Ace dies, Suspect is not a doctor and we lynch him on day 3. If Ace lives, he'll know who's scum and we can lynch accordingly.

I think this is a guaranteed town victory, unless I missed something?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:00 am

Stroop wrote:I have a proposal to everyone.

We lynch cena. I think everyone is pretty sure cena is scum. He's either my buddy, or he's Suspect's buddy.

In night 2, Ace investigates either me or Suspect. Suspect protects Ace.

If Ace dies, Suspect is not a doctor and we lynch him on day 3. If Ace lives, he'll know who's scum and we can lynch accordingly.

I think this is a guaranteed town victory, unless I missed something?


Yeah, you missed a lot.

What if Cena is town? We lose.

What if Ace is Mafia, Then he kills whoever, and claims he saw someone else do it.

You are on both of my scum lists, therefor you are the only person I know for sure is mafia. My vote will not change.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Stroop on Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:35 am

Suspect101 wrote:What if Cena is town? We lose.

Actually, in that case you and I win, since that means we are scum

What if Ace is Mafia, Then he kills whoever, and claims he saw someone else do it.

You protected Ace. You were sure he's town. Commit to that then.

You are on both of my scum lists, therefor you are the only person I know for sure is mafia. My vote will not change.


If Ace is town, Thezz is town. That means if you are town, both me and cena are scum.

Anyway, though I said it was a proposal for everyone, it's actually mainly directed towards Thezz and Ace.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:29 pm

At the start of this, I was 80% sure Ace was town and 80% sure Cena was scum. But now you are making Cena look more like town and Ace more like scum. I am not sure if that is your plan, but that is what you are doing.

Stroop wrote:
Suspect101 wrote:What if Cena is town? We lose.

Actually, in that case you and I win, since that means we are scum.


you are still forgetting that Ace CAN be scum.

Stroop wrote:
What if Ace is Mafia, Then he kills whoever, and claims he saw someone else do it.

You protected Ace. You were sure he's town. Commit to that then.


We are at a different scenerio. If we lynch wrong we lose. When I protected Ace, the town would not lose the game.

Stroop wrote:
You are on both of my scum lists, therefor you are the only person I know for sure is mafia. My vote will not change.


If Ace is town, Thezz is town. That means if you are town, both me and cena are scum.


Once again, you are still forgetting that Ace CAN be scum.

Stroop wrote:Anyway, though I said it was a proposal for everyone, it's actually mainly directed towards Thezz and Ace.


I have a better proposal, directed towards Thezz and Ace.

We lynch stroop. I think everyone is pretty sure stroop is scum. He's either my buddy, or he's Cena's buddy.

In night 2, Ace investigates either me or Cena. I protect Ace.

If Ace dies, I am not a doctor and we lynch me on day 3. If Ace lives, he'll know who's scum and we can lynch accordingly.

I think this is a guaranteed town victory, unless I missed something?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Stroop on Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:49 pm

Suspect101 wrote:I think this is a guaranteed town victory, unless I missed something?

Yeah you did, but honestly I'm tired of debating with you. Although I thank you for changing my plan like that. Just more proof on how bent you are on lynching me when you think cena is scum too.

Ace, Thezz, could you make your decision?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:20 pm

Stroop wrote:
Suspect101 wrote:I think this is a guaranteed town victory, unless I missed something?

Yeah you did, but honestly I'm tired of debating with you. Although I thank you for changing my plan like that. Just more proof on how bent you are on lynching me when you think cena is scum too.

Ace, Thezz, could you make your decision?


yes I think Cena is scum, but I know that you are. why take a chance?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Stroop on Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:56 pm

Suspect101 wrote:
Stroop wrote:
Suspect101 wrote:I think this is a guaranteed town victory, unless I missed something?

Yeah you did, but honestly I'm tired of debating with you. Although I thank you for changing my plan like that. Just more proof on how bent you are on lynching me when you think cena is scum too.

Ace, Thezz, could you make your decision?


yes I think Cena is scum, but I know that you are. why take a chance?

Because my plan will result in a town victory.

Ace, Thezz, the only way my plan will not result in a town victory is if Suspect and me are scum buddies. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that's the case.

unvote vote cena - hoping I'll wake up to a dead cena and the start of night 2 tomorrow morning.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby AceArtemis on Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:40 am

Stroop, please don't rush me. This is a tough decision for me to make, and I hope you understand that. I did, however, read through the entire thread, from the first post in Day 1 to the present, and that has allowed me to reach my conclusion. If you don't care how I reached my conclusion, fine, just scroll down to the bottom of my post.

Stroop wrote:Ace, Thezz, the only way my plan will not result in a town victory is if Suspect and me are scum buddies. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that's the case.

unvote vote cena - hoping I'll wake up to a dead cena and the start of night 2 tomorrow morning.

If you and suspect are scumbuddies, I'll have to say that you two are damn good mafia players. It sounds very unlikely that you two would take over the thread with a massive mock argument`while going after each other so intensely. This alone isn't enough for me to make my decision, however.

With his Day 1 hammer vote, Cena states that the case against pmc makes sense.
cena-rules wrote:well the case makes sense

unvote vote pmc

Here, Cena trys to paint Stroop as scum.
cena-rules wrote:Well I immediatley thought that Stroop was scum because he pushed for the hammer on PMC. Yes, I know i hammered but PMC seemed in a hole and there was no point dragging it out. I am gonna stick with this instinct

vote stroop

This is complete BS. On day 1, Cena thought the case against pmc "makes sense". Now Cena is telling us that he immediately thought Stroop was scum when he called for a hammer? Give me a break.

Because of this, I had strong suspicions about Cena being scum, but I was not completely sure whether Cena was just being stupid, or scum, and if Cena was scum, I did not know who the other mafia was, and I wanted more discussion. Now, I will examine Suspect's behavior.

Through the entire Day 2, Suspect was simultaneously trying to shed doubts about my status as a cop, and trying to lynch Stroop. Then, when I didn't hammer Stroop, he accused me and Stroop of being scumbuddies. Give it a rest already. You saw how my quoted role PM confirms me as a cop.

I didn't find Stroop particularly scummy through Day 1, and on Day 2, all he was doing was arguing with Suspect's attempts to paint me and him as scum. He was sure I was town because he saw the mod post about this being "not strictly a C9 game", and since it was possible that there are 2 cops in this game, he saw that my role PM quote confirmed me as a cop.

When I piece it all together, I reach the conclusion that Cena and Suspect are doing whatever they can to get a townie lynched, so they can win the game. Once Suspect paints Stroop as scum, Cena goes in for the kill, and gives his hypocritical BS reason for Stroop being scum, trying to decieve the town. Then, after Cena is unable to back up his point, Cena resumes lurking and does not post again. Meanwhile, Suspect tries to cast doubts about my role as a cop, in the hopes that he can get me lynched.

Conclusion: Suspect and Cena are scum. Vote: cena-rules
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Suspect101 on Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:06 am

AceArtemis wrote:Through the entire Day 2, Suspect was simultaneously trying to shed doubts about my status as a cop, and trying to lynch Stroop. Then, when I didn't hammer Stroop, he accused me and Stroop of being scumbuddies. Give it a rest already. You saw how my quoted role PM confirms me as a cop.


When you didn't hammer, I said it was a POSSIBILITY that you were scum buddies. Yeah you are a cop, but for what side.


AceArtemis wrote:When I piece it all together, I reach the conclusion that Cena and Suspect are doing whatever they can to get a townie lynched, so they can win the game. Once Suspect paints Stroop as scum, Cena goes in for the kill, and gives his hypocritical BS reason for Stroop being scum, trying to decieve the town. Then, after Cena is unable to back up his point, Cena resumes lurking and does not post again. Meanwhile, Suspect tries to cast doubts about my role as a cop, in the hopes that he can get me lynched.



I am not trying to get you lynched, I am the one saying that Cena and Stroop are scum, but there is a possibility that either you and Cena are scum, or you and Stroop are scum. I rule nothing out. The only one I am sure about is Thzz. That is why my vote stays on Stroop. The only way my vote can be wrong is if you are scum, and I do not think that you are. He is the only one I am sure about. Why are you being so defensive against me thinking you are scum? If you are not you have nothing to worry about. I am a Dr. not a cop, I can not investigate, I am not 100% sure that you are, nobody is. I am just the only person considering every possibility. Something here is not right.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Day 1 <NEED REPLACEMENT>

Postby AceArtemis on Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:14 pm

Suspect101 wrote:Yeah you are a cop, but for what side.

Did you not read my role PM? Important part is in bold.
AceArtemis wrote:Since rule 5 allows me to quote PMs from the mod, I will quote my role PM.

Simon Viavant wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=81915

You are a cop. You can investigate people at night to learn their role. You win when the mafia have been eliminated.

Confirm in thread.


Since Suspect did not hammer Cena, I am 100% sure that Suspect and Stroop are not scumbuddies. Since Stroop's plan is a guaranteed town win unless Suspect and Stroop are scumbuddies, I think we've got this game. Care to hammer, Thezz?
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Simon Viavant on Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:29 pm

Vote Count:

Stroop: 2 votes (cena, suspect)
cena: 2 votes (stroop, Ace)

Not voting: Thezz
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9-Day2 - LYNCH OR LOSE!

Postby Thezzaruz on Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:56 am

Oh goodie, it's down to me. :lol:

I'm honestly not sure on who's scum here. pmc had all the tells on day 1 but then the double cop thing with Ace messed everything up big time, suspect is way too eager on stroop IMO but that can be other reasons too. :? 8-[

Seems like I'll have to guesstimate a bit and say that cena's few posts has when under this much suspicion gets the vote. [-o<

So, Vote cena-rules


As for a plan it would have to be like what stroop posted, if this lynch is bad then it's all over but if it is good then my suspicions lies with stroop and suspect. GL all...
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Night 2

Postby Simon Viavant on Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:19 pm

cena rules has been lynched.
He is scum.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Night 2

Postby AceArtemis on Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:20 pm

Simon Viavant wrote:cena rules has been lynched.
He is scum.


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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Night 2

Postby Suspect101 on Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:16 pm

Simon Viavant wrote:cena rules has been lynched.
He is scum.


This means in my set that Stroop is scum as well. I will probably die tonight, so vote well tomorrow. gg all.
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Night 2

Postby Simon Viavant on Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:04 pm

Day 3

Stroop has been found dead :-^
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Day 3

Postby AceArtemis on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:07 pm

Last night, I investigated Suspect and got guilty.

Remaining Players:
AceArtemis (Cop)
Thezzaruz (Innocent)
Suspect101 (Mafia)

Hmmm...tough choice here. :lol:

Vote: Suspect101
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Re: So, I'm gonna try a simple C-9 - Night 2

Postby Thezzaruz on Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:21 am

Simon Viavant wrote:Stroop has been found dead :-^


No role??? Or at least a faction???


Also, could we get an update of the first post??? (the list of alive and dead you know ;))
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