Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[SoN!c]

Convincing you that you're wrong is like trying to explain to a rock that it is a rock and not a flower. In every game I've had to be in, you reach deep down into Alice's wonderland, yank the first idea you find, and then run with it until the next game day.
Facts? PFFT! Make it up as you go! We don't need to bother with silly semantics.

So im no push around..

I do love your cartoon however. Lots of kisses xxx

No need to take it personal on a saturday eve. Its a mental game, thats all it is.

[SoN!c]

Having a few drinks already..

Anybody reading DDS his last message weird like stranger things weird?

I didn`t push it galore nore pushed it over the top SoN!c style. I was thinking i stayed very gentle all the way..explaining why in 4 simple points and then this reaction? Only the truth hurts this much.. Thats all it is. Truth hurts

[Loose Canon]

Honestly Sonic, I'm not seeing anything strange either way on DDSs post.
Not getting any read on him either but same can be said about mostly everyone.

Maybe you want to point out something you're seeing re DDS or someone else does?

Only thing I'm seeing is a short and dismissive pattern to Rags posts - and I'm wondering if there is something that might be scummy there?

[SoN!c]

Honestly Sonic, I'm not seeing anything strange either way on DDSs post.
Not getting any read on him either but same can be said about mostly everyone.

Maybe you want to point out something you're seeing re DDS or someone else does?

Only thing I'm seeing is a short and dismissive pattern to Rags posts - and I'm wondering if there is something that might be scummy there?

Ok. Im tunneling then.. it sure sounded very agressive to me and totaly unneeded. Nothing to see then

[Ragian]

Confirmed that i am once again, the SK.

Also, vote the Ragian for that time of the month again. That'll show you, ya putz!

Is it really just the time of the month for Ragian?

Rags has been nothing but one or two line tetchy in ALL his posts so far.
Is that a predetermined D1 strategy he has devised for his scum role this time?

He's had his joke phase now.
Charle has even thrown in some crackers as bones to Rags.

Could be its just hungered him for meat on his bones?

Nah, it's just that work has started up again and my first two weeks are always dire for several boring reasons. But hey, if you feel that I'm scummy for that reason, you'd have to engage in the following WIFOM: "This is opposite of his last game in which he was scum, so he must have changed his M.O. But then everyone would see him change his M.O. and therefore find him scummy, for which reason he wouldn't change his M.O. Unless..."

However, I've just realised that I'm still joke voting Son!c, so I better unvotethat. Speaking of Son!c, I think his (and others following) what he says about Strike and DDS is not even really a case. Espeecially the way he then reads any reaction arbitrarily as testimony that his "case" has merit. What I do like about it, though, is how others react (not the accuser, not the accused). I like dumbass cases D1 because of all the reverberations that follow.

The only thing that triggered me was Devante's vote, but I need to go back and see the actual development of that before committing fully. Now, I want some tea.

[PepeAtila]

well I will see what strike wolf will do ... I guess he is going to unvote, vote DDS

[Ragian]

You're voting DDS to see if Strike unvotes... Am I on to that?

[Maxleod]

Boring.
Can we just lynch DDS FFS?

[strike wolf]

well I will see what strike wolf will do ... I guess he is going to unvote, vote DDS

I mean if you were to randomly put him at L2 on a baseless wagon.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Boring.
Can we just lynch DDS FFS?

[Ragian]

Boring.
Can we just lynch DDS FFS?

Why?

[PepeAtila]

Boring.
Can we just lynch DDS FFS?

Why?

I don't say to lynch ... but we should in L-2 any of them!!
if we don't do it, I don't know what to do.
scum list:
1. strike wolf
2. DDS
3. Max

I am willing to follow any direction or indication.

[Ragian]

You're voting DDS to see if Strike unvotes... Am I on to that?

This was directed at you, Pepe. The other one was directed at Max. Could you reply to the above instead?

[Loose Canon]

I stand by max has to be lynched D1 unless there is a very strong reason to lynch anyone else.

Max is as likely to be scum as anyone else.

What is max going to contribute to town D2 onwards? Or to the game in general?

Does anyone seriously think any scum faction will night kill max n1 or ever when every other player is more of a threat to them going forwards?

Happy for other players to be pressed and probed there's no rush.

But at the end of D1 it will have to be Max unless very strong reason for it to be someone else. That's where I stand anyway.

[SoN!c]

I stand by max has to be lynched D1 unless there is a very strong reason to lynch anyone else.

We need a very long D1 because the D1 information will help us later. That means putting votes on other people too and see how they react. Just staying on Max the entire D1 without exploring anything else is not the way how we should play this. We can always go back to Max in the end of D1, you made your point very well. And I'll (follow unless Max gets in here everyday and contributes like you asked him to do - 0% chance i reckon).

"Max is as likely to be scum as anyone else."

Yes 36.36% chance he is. But wasting D1 just to get rid of Max fast and hope on the random 36.36% odds is not a game. Be patient. Look around first, come back to Max later. Strike just said he will unvote DDS when it goes L-2. Well that is how i understood his last message. And that was what Pepe predicted.. What is so special about L-2 in a powerless game anyways i wonder? Afraid two scummies are gonna fast-hammer and expose themself? Don't think so. Or are they pretending to be the Masons by doing so?

"What is max going to contribute to town D2 onwards? Or to the game in general?"

Same thing as always. At some point he wil get to L-2 and say his legendary quote "I have a few things to say" (but then say nothing).

"Does anyone seriously think any scum faction will night kill max n1 or ever when every other player is more of a threat to them going forwards?"

No i do not. But perhaps he stays quiet and gets replaced by PMC - now that would be one hell of a sub!

[Charle]

Time for our first Deadline:

Day 01 will end Monday 19 August 2024 at 14H00 UTC

[Extreme Ways]

Curious how you could see me Son!c when I always stay on invisible mode.

if this is true sonic has some terrible agenda going on

[Extreme Ways]

I stand by max has to be lynched D1 unless there is a very strong reason to lynch anyone else.

We need a very long D1 because the D1 information will help us later. That means putting votes on other people too and see how they react. Just staying on Max the entire D1 without exploring anything else is not the way how we should play this. We can always go back to Max in the end of D1, you made your point very well. And I'll (follow unless Max gets in here everyday and contributes like you asked him to do - 0% chance i reckon).

"Max is as likely to be scum as anyone else."

Yes 36.36% chance he is. But wasting D1 just to get rid of Max fast and hope on the random 36.36% odds is not a game. Be patient. Look around first, come back to Max later. Strike just said he will unvote DDS when it goes L-2. Well that is how i understood his last message. And that was what Pepe predicted.. What is so special about L-2 in a powerless game anyways i wonder? Afraid two scummies are gonna fast-hammer and expose themself? Don't think so. Or are they pretending to be the Masons by doing so?

"What is max going to contribute to town D2 onwards? Or to the game in general?"

Same thing as always. At some point he wil get to L-2 and say his legendary quote "I have a few things to say" (but then say nothing).

"Does anyone seriously think any scum faction will night kill max n1 or ever when every other player is more of a threat to them going forwards?"

No i do not. But perhaps he stays quiet and gets replaced by PMC - now that would be one hell of a sub!

Actually good posts from sonic, soft defending a low hanging fruit with little to no upside for him. Unless they are a scum pair.

I still dont like the push on DDS/Strike though I cant say both have given me much. My strongest feel atm is that Loose is town, the amount of tinfoil and math he puts in - while I have never seen him as scum - is not something I expect him to do as mafia.

[Loose Canon]

I stand by max has to be lynched D1 unless there is a very strong reason to lynch anyone else.

We need a very long D1 because the D1 information will help us later. That means putting votes on other people too and see how they react. Just staying on Max the entire D1 without exploring anything else is not the way how we should play this. We can always go back to Max in the end of D1, you made your point very well. And I'll (follow unless Max gets in here everyday and contributes like you asked him to do - 0% chance i reckon).

"Max is as likely to be scum as anyone else."

Yes 36.36% chance he is. But wasting D1 just to get rid of Max fast and hope on the random 36.36% odds is not a game. Be patient. Look around first, come back to Max later. Strike just said he will unvote DDS when it goes L-2. Well that is how i understood his last message. And that was what Pepe predicted.. What is so special about L-2 in a powerless game anyways i wonder? Afraid two scummies are gonna fast-hammer and expose themself? Don't think so. Or are they pretending to be the Masons by doing so?

"What is max going to contribute to town D2 onwards? Or to the game in general?"

Same thing as always. At some point he wil get to L-2 and say his legendary quote "I have a few things to say" (but then say nothing).

"Does anyone seriously think any scum faction will night kill max n1 or ever when every other player is more of a threat to them going forwards?"

No i do not. But perhaps he stays quiet and gets replaced by PMC - now that would be one hell of a sub!

Actually good posts from sonic, soft defending a low hanging fruit with little to no upside for him. Unless they are a scum pair.

I still dont like the push on DDS/Strike though I cant say both have given me much. My strongest feel atm is that Loose is town, the amount of tinfoil and math he puts in - while I have never seen him as scum - is not something I expect him to do as mafia.

I agree with Extreme that this is a good post by Sonic.

I maintain that push buttons on everyone for sure but think hard before a momentum actual lynch on anyone, bar Max.
There can't be strong evidence - D1 - that's the nature of this set up.
But there is a threshold of justifiable suspicion (I can't quantify what that is) that y'all need to satisfy yourselves has been passed.
But come the deadline a mislynch on anyone bar Max (and without a threshold of justifiable suspicion having been reached) will be either DUMB or SCUM.
And most of you in terms of these games, and certainly compared to me, just AINT DUMB.

[SoN!c]

I agree with Loose being town, thats why im siding votes with him. It also makes me think there is something fishy on the "L-2 unvote's" of the suspected wolf pair. I can't see any reason atm that make it fly.. Digging a rabbit hole? Perhaps..All i can say is this: if you want me to stop digging, stop handing out free shovels.

[Loose Canon]

You've gotta overcome some pretty steep odds to correctly identify a pairing at this stage;

Vanilla Town identifying a scum pairing is 4/10 x 1/9 = 4/90 = 1/22.5
Vanilla Town identifying a pairing inc Masonic = 6/10 x 1/9 = 6/90 = 1/15
Masonic Town identifying a scum pairing is 4/9 x 1/8 = 4/72 = 1/18

Can't see it as a worthwhile effort myself.

[SoN!c]

You've gotta overcome some pretty steep odds to correctly identify a pairing at this stage;

Vanilla Town identifying a scum pairing is 4/10 x 1/9 = 4/90 = 1/22.5
Vanilla Town identifying a pairing inc Masonic = 6/10 x 1/9 = 6/90 = 1/15
Masonic Town identifying a scum pairing is 4/9 x 1/8 = 4/72 = 1/18

Can't see it as a worthwhile effort myself.

That is only true if you stick to math. Last game i think math gave us less then 4% to win it - we needed to hit 3 scum with just 4 townies left . "Use the force" Loose. Follow that gut feeling

[SoN!c]

Ps: reminder to myself: i saw DDS browsing this forum just now and took a screenie just in case he is saying "invisible mode" too

[DirtyDishSoap]

Gonna see if someone's memeimg it up again. No? Nothing saucy?! Bah!

[SoN!c]

No need to yank the worm bait nor your defences so hard DDS, we are gonna vote Max since deadline came up in a week all the sudden...i have to let you go...(unless you are gonna yank that worm wolf bait so hard it comes with another 2 free shovels ). Ps: its "Full Moon Crazy Worms" Red label in case your doubting? Your favorite midnight wolf snack