Mafia Sevens [Endgame] *Mafia Wins!*

[kalishnikov]

So, kalishnikov... I just remembered you claimed tracker. What results did you get last night?

-SG7 ( )

I tracked pancakemix, I've been suspicious of him since the get go... He didn't go anywhere.

As far as Soundman goes, my vote stays. The old deflection tactic doesn't fly with me. My thought is it doesn't even matter, we lynch him and go to night; I'll track Shaggy and koolerthenu can investigate whomever he likes, with 5 left and 2 down at the start of the next day with my tracking results and kooler's investigation results we should be able to finish this game easy.

If kooler or I (the 'open' power roles) die tonight your choice should be pretty easy tomorrow, there won't be many players left and process of elimination should show their (our?) roles.

[soundman]

So, kalishnikov... I just remembered you claimed tracker. What results did you get last night?

-SG7 ( )

I tracked pancakemix, I've been suspicious of him since the get go... He didn't go anywhere.

As far as Soundman goes, my vote stays. The old deflection tactic doesn't fly with me. My thought is it doesn't even matter, we lynch him and go to night; I'll track Shaggy and koolerthenu can investigate whomever he likes, with 5 left and 2 down at the start of the next day with my tracking results and kooler's investigation results we should be able to finish this game easy.

If kooler or I (the 'open' power roles) die tonight your choice should be pretty easy tomorrow, there won't be many players left and process of elimination should show their (our?) roles.

It's hardly a deflection tactic. I've been pushing for Shaggy since the end of D1. Why would you choose an active player like me to lynch instead of an inactive? If you're all telling the truth about your roles then either Shaggy or SG7 is the mafia.

[pancakemix]

So, kalishnikov... I just remembered you claimed tracker. What results did you get last night?

-SG7 ( )

I tracked pancakemix, I've been suspicious of him since the get go... He didn't go anywhere.

I'm a busdriver and I swapped the two of us last night. I'm not 100% sure how that should play out, but I believe you should have tracked yourself.

Vote Kalish. Convince me otherwise.

[kalishnikov]

So, kalishnikov... I just remembered you claimed tracker. What results did you get last night?

-SG7 ( )

I tracked pancakemix, I've been suspicious of him since the get go... He didn't go anywhere.

As far as Soundman goes, my vote stays. The old deflection tactic doesn't fly with me. My thought is it doesn't even matter, we lynch him and go to night; I'll track Shaggy and koolerthenu can investigate whomever he likes, with 5 left and 2 down at the start of the next day with my tracking results and kooler's investigation results we should be able to finish this game easy.

If kooler or I (the 'open' power roles) die tonight your choice should be pretty easy tomorrow, there won't be many players left and process of elimination should show their (our?) roles.

It's hardly a deflection tactic. I've been pushing for Shaggy since the end of D1. Why would you choose an active player like me to lynch instead of an inactive? If you're all telling the truth about your roles then either Shaggy or SG7 is the mafia.

Why waste a lynch on an inactive if they're not confirmed scum/third-party? You track or investigate them and let them sit until the mod replaces them or they get nightkilled. They give us no answers or info when we vote them, they can't claim or counterclaim, they don't slip up and backtrack when you question them and they can't OMGUS vote for voting them. A lynch is more then "killing someone" its a tool to gather info, I'd much rather push on someone who can defend themselves then someone who we gain nothing from other then learning a role.

IMO, track or investigate inactives then NK them or have them replaced; vote/lynch active players to gain info.

[kalishnikov]

So, kalishnikov... I just remembered you claimed tracker. What results did you get last night?

-SG7 ( )

I tracked pancakemix, I've been suspicious of him since the get go... He didn't go anywhere.

I'm a busdriver and I swapped the two of us last night. I'm not 100% sure how that should play out, but I believe you should have tracked yourself.

Vote Kalish. Convince me otherwise.

Unless I'm wrong (quite possible), my results were correct for you switching us. Here's a short timeline, the only way I can explain it:

1. pcm says "I'll switch kalish and pcm" to the mod
2. we switch places
3. I say "I'll investigate pcm, Mr. mod"
4. I go to your house (actually mine since we're switched) and wait to see who you (me) visit
5. I get results from the mod that says "he didn't go anywhere" because we were already switched by the time "I got there"

Not sure of the mechanics either to be honest but I think this is how it would work assuming you sent your action into the mod before me.

[soundman]

So, kalishnikov... I just remembered you claimed tracker. What results did you get last night?

-SG7 ( )

I tracked pancakemix, I've been suspicious of him since the get go... He didn't go anywhere.

As far as Soundman goes, my vote stays. The old deflection tactic doesn't fly with me. My thought is it doesn't even matter, we lynch him and go to night; I'll track Shaggy and koolerthenu can investigate whomever he likes, with 5 left and 2 down at the start of the next day with my tracking results and kooler's investigation results we should be able to finish this game easy.

If kooler or I (the 'open' power roles) die tonight your choice should be pretty easy tomorrow, there won't be many players left and process of elimination should show their (our?) roles.

It's hardly a deflection tactic. I've been pushing for Shaggy since the end of D1. Why would you choose an active player like me to lynch instead of an inactive? If you're all telling the truth about your roles then either Shaggy or SG7 is the mafia.

Why waste a lynch on an inactive if they're not confirmed scum/third-party? Waste a lynch? You vote for them to get them to come and defend themselves. You track or investigate them and let them sit until the mod replaces them or they get nightkilled. True, you could do this but why bother if you can get them in here and posting? They give us no answers or info when we vote them, they can't claim or counterclaim, they don't slip up and backtrack when you question them and they can't OMGUS vote for voting them. I find this logic flawed. Like I said above, you vote to get them to come and defend. Then you get info. A lynch is more then "killing someone" its a tool to gather info, I'd much rather push on someone who can defend themselves then someone who we gain nothing from other then learning a role. Again, you're not just choosing an inactive and lynching them, you're putting them close to a lynch to get them to defend themselves.

IMO, track or investigate inactives then NK them or have them replaced; vote/lynch active players to gain info.

Thought's are in green. I still think we need to put pressure on Shaggy to get him to defend himself. In fact, mod, could you prod him?

[Victor Sullivan]

I've done so once already, but I suppose I can again. Will do tomorrow (including a vote count!).

-Sully

[kalishnikov]

My above logic was assuming they are truly inactive and won't show at all, if you think he'll show if we vote him lets do it (anything to keep the game moving at this point) but I assume he's not going to come around either way. That's why I said leave him be and we'll investigate him then act accordingly.

[soundman]

My above logic was assuming they are truly inactive and won't show at all, if you think he'll show if we vote him lets do it (anything to keep the game moving at this point) but I assume he's not going to come around either way. That's why I said leave him be and we'll investigate him then act accordingly.

I think he'll come back. And if he doesn't then let's get him replaced before we lynch so we can have some activity from his role.

[MoB Deadly]

*I would be happy to join back in* I have no info since I was vanilla :-/

[shieldgenerator7]

I'd welcome MOB back!

Anyway, my vote on Soundman was a random vote and had no basis or reasoning behind it. As such, I found it very surprising that kalish would eagerly jump on his bandwagon as if it was logically sound and convincing. That's why I'm suspicious of kalish right now. Maybe his night actions can confirm that he is a tracker, but I find his actions somewhat scummy. If I haven't already, UNVOTE. I do not intend to lynch Soundman just yet, as I'm not sure he's scum. But I find it fishy that kalish voted soundman for no reason. What's up with that, kalish? :/

-SG7 ( :/ )

[shieldgenerator7]

What?! :/ is not a valid emoticon?! What gives?!

[Victor Sullivan]

Sent out another prod to iamkoolerthanu, pancakemix, and ShaggyDan. If they don't respond soon, I'll replace them.

-Sully

[pancakemix]

Hey, it's only been a few days. And I have a busy schedule. I'm doing better than the other two.

I disagree with kalish's logic because:

1. He left his house, so he claims
2. If he targeted me, he would have ended up targeting himself.
3. Therefore, he should have followed himself to himself.

His entire logic depends on the mod making which action gets there first te priority, which I think no active mod would do. My vote on him stands, unless someone has a good reason why I shouldn't vote him.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hey, it's only been a few days. And I have a busy schedule. I'm doing better than the other two.

True, but it had been awhile so I threw you in.

-Sully

[ShaggyDan]

Prod received and I will have time to catch up and post tomorrow, hopefully within the next 18 hours . Sorry guys. Uni + work = no time.

*Take two, got wrong thread the first time* *Forehead slap.*

[kalishnikov]

I'd welcome MOB back!

Anyway, my vote on Soundman was a random vote and had no basis or reasoning behind it. As such, I found it very surprising that kalish would eagerly jump on his bandwagon as if it was logically sound and convincing. That's why I'm suspicious of kalish right now. Maybe his night actions can confirm that he is a tracker, but I find his actions somewhat scummy. If I haven't already, UNVOTE. I do not intend to lynch Soundman just yet, as I'm not sure he's scum. But I find it fishy that kalish voted soundman for no reason. What's up with that, kalish? :/

-SG7 ( :/ )

You find it fishy that I voted Soundman for no reason when you admit doing the same in the same post?

Seriously though, we need a lynch like 3 days ago, we've only had ONE night so far... Not to mention that the mod had intended this game to be over by October but is too polite to say so. At the rate we're going it'll be Day 3 on Christmas. I voted for the sake of voting and posting, what else can be said except "vote" when one-third of the time I check my post is still the last one in the thread?

[soundman]

Prod received and I will have time to catch up and post tomorrow, hopefully within the next 18 hours . Sorry guys. Uni + work = no time.

*Take two, got wrong thread the first time* *Forehead slap.*

*Insert Jeopardy music*

[shieldgenerator7]

I'd welcome MOB back! Anyway, my vote on Soundman was a random vote and had no basis or reasoning behind it. As such, I found it very surprising that kalish would eagerly jump on his bandwagon as if it was logically sound and convincing. That's why I'm suspicious of kalish right now. Maybe his night actions can confirm that he is a tracker, but I find his actions somewhat scummy. If I haven't already, UNVOTE. I do not intend to lynch Soundman just yet, as I'm not sure he's scum. But I find it fishy that kalish voted soundman for no reason. What's up with that, kalish? :/ -SG7 ( :/ )

You find it fishy that I voted Soundman for no reason when you admit doing the same in the same post? Seriously though, we need a lynch like 3 days ago, we've only had ONE night so far... Not to mention that the mod had intended this game to be over by October but is too polite to say so. At the rate we're going it'll be Day 3 on Christmas. I voted for the sake of voting and posting, what else can be said except "vote" when one-third of the time I check my post is still the last one in the thread?

My vote on soundman was a random vote, I didn't even say why I did it. I just voted. In reality, it was a trap vote. To see if anyone would bandwagon on him just because I did. And guess what, kalish, you fell right into that trap. You voted for soundman just becuase I cast a random vote with no reasoning behind it. Following a vote with absolutely no logic behind it is scummy. I would vote you but we already got you to claim and you seem to have evidence you are who you say you are. Except that evidence rests in the hands of one person, PCM, and it is possible you two are scummates and you planned this out. But I have no evidence of that, it's just a possibility.

You seem pretty anxious for a lynch, waiting for the day to end?

-SG7 ( )

[Victor Sullivan]

Hey, I'm gonna set a deadline for Monday, unless activity picks up, of course

-Sully

[shieldgenerator7]

ok kalish, wanna explain further? anyone else want to add to the discussion?

[soundman]

Is Shaggy coming in here soon? Or does he need to be replaced...

[kalishnikov]

I'd welcome MOB back! Anyway, my vote on Soundman was a random vote and had no basis or reasoning behind it. As such, I found it very surprising that kalish would eagerly jump on his bandwagon as if it was logically sound and convincing. That's why I'm suspicious of kalish right now. Maybe his night actions can confirm that he is a tracker, but I find his actions somewhat scummy. If I haven't already, UNVOTE. I do not intend to lynch Soundman just yet, as I'm not sure he's scum. But I find it fishy that kalish voted soundman for no reason. What's up with that, kalish? :/ -SG7 ( :/ )

You find it fishy that I voted Soundman for no reason when you admit doing the same in the same post? Seriously though, we need a lynch like 3 days ago, we've only had ONE night so far... Not to mention that the mod had intended this game to be over by October but is too polite to say so. At the rate we're going it'll be Day 3 on Christmas. I voted for the sake of voting and posting, what else can be said except "vote" when one-third of the time I check my post is still the last one in the thread?

My vote on soundman was a random vote, I didn't even say why I did it. I just voted. In reality, it was a trap vote. To see if anyone would bandwagon on him just because I did. And guess what, kalish, you fell right into that trap. You voted for soundman just becuase I cast a random vote with no reasoning behind it. Following a vote with absolutely no logic behind it is scummy. I would vote you but we already got you to claim and you seem to have evidence you are who you say you are. Except that evidence rests in the hands of one person, PCM, and it is possible you two are scummates and you planned this out. But I have no evidence of that, it's just a possibility.

You seem pretty anxious for a lynch, waiting for the day to end?

-SG7 ( )

The only trap that I fell for is called TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING, ANYTHING, happen as I've posted several times already in this thread, I'm bored. Also as I've posted several times in this thread, I'm of the mind we should get a lynch each and every day and that takes voting to accomplish. If you guys wanna backpedal/waffle on every single vote you make, feel free, just don't call me scum for trying to get something to happen in this game besides one post per day.

There's a simple way to prove my identity, FINALLY put this thing into night and I'll give you (us) some results. I know who needs tracked tonight and have since the first few posts this day, I'm slightly anxious because I'm 75% sure they're scum but need to confirm first. Again, WE CAN WIN THIS IN ONE MORE DAY, what don't you understand? Mathematically it doesn't really matter who we lynch today, do I need to repeat every post I've already made in this thread?

[kalishnikov]

Oh and conventional wisdom only applies in conventional games, this is anything but. Keep that in mind as we proceed.

[pancakemix]

Oh and conventional wisdom only applies in conventional games, this is anything but. Keep that in mind as we proceed.

Firstly, I'd say this game is by most accounts pretty conventional, considering the roles we know are the only options to be in this game. Also, I feel my reasons for voting you are pretty legitimate and no one has come forward claiming anything to contradict me or to say why my counter doesn't work.