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[Mr. Squirrel]

I agree with the above two posts, however since flores' vote puts herk at l-1, I'm going to unvote
However, that's only because I want to hear from herk about his hissy fit. Any explanation that doesn't cut it and my vote will be going back on.

I'm gonna unvote too until we hear word from him. I would hate to see him the victim of a quick BW lynch by simmers or somthing before he can tell us what's up, especially if his role is a lover or something else that will get them both killed. Should be at L-3 now

[DrewDude]

Oh my what a lovely crowd we have here. "Act scummy and I'll assume you're scum", what an unnecessary thing to say. That phrase pretty much goes without saying in mafia which is why I commented on my high lynch rate regardless of peoples threats and accusations. As for Flores I love to punish people that over-think things as well as under-thinking things, but I will give you some credit for not straight up voting me yet. Also I'll take mediocre as a compliment due to everyone else's opinions on me so far in this game seem much more negative than how you phrased it. I can be an helpful if I wish to do so, you just chose to label me as unhelpful so far due to my playing style and my passiveness since really all i see is major beating around the bush so far pointing fingers here and there and for herk screaming at people. As for Haggis, voting a townie off first chance doesn't help either so really either way you look at it this could be a double edged sword we're trying to grab if our assumptions are wrong.

[aage]

Oh my what a lovely crowd we have here. "Act scummy and I'll assume you're scum", what an unnecessary thing to say. That phrase pretty much goes without saying in mafia which is why I commented on my high lynch rate regardless of peoples threats and accusations. As for Flores I love to punish people that over-think things as well as under-thinking things, but I will give you some credit for not straight up voting me yet. Also I'll take mediocre as a compliment due to everyone else's opinions on me so far in this game seem much more negative than how you phrased it. I can be an helpful if I wish to do so, you just chose to label me as unhelpful so far due to my playing style and my passiveness since really all i see is major beating around the bush so far pointing fingers here and there and for herk screaming at people. As for Haggis, voting a townie off first chance doesn't help either so really either way you look at it this could be a double edged sword we're trying to grab if our assumptions are wrong.

Why, I suggest you give us any clue on what we could do? Or how? Or perhaps you could give an example?

Best sailsmen are on the beach...

[aage]

Best sailors are on the beach...

Gods, I can't believe I misphrased that.

[theherkman]

The letter is H, for Hot.

The temperature continued to drop, the old tablecloth that the waitress draped over the window frame did little against the blasting cold, but still the customers did not give in, they came in and were seated by the staunch Maitre d' who did his best not to shiver at the entrance.
Suddenly the sous chef gathered everyone together "Let's take a break to enjoy some warm soup, it's on me."
It smelled too delicious to hold back the first to take a gulp was theherkman, he burned his tongue and will scream out in pain should he use the letters "L" or "N", should he stifle his pain in his next post instead, none of you will be aware of the scorching soup and the next three players to post after him with have the same PR for the rest of the day-phase.

I don't understand what this means. Can someone explain this to me?

If you are afraid that he will say something in this game that will cause you to be outed in scum in the other game, well then you may at least have some valid reason to be upset. But, this last post seems to indicate that you may just be mad because he is using his knowledge from that game to meta-game you. I don't see anything wrong with that. Whether or not it is logically the best course to take is up for debate, but there isn't any reason that he can't pursue this course of argument. If you think he is wrong, then present some sort of logical argument to counter it. If you think that he is scum and deliberately trying to frame you, then make some argument to that effect. This isn't how you go about disagreeing with his theory. It makes me wonder if this is how you react when you are mafia and someone calls you out on it? Do you get pissed and try throw them away? I haven't seen you play enough games to be sure, but if it is, then it is as poor of game play as DrewDude's plan of purposefully acting scummy in every game.

It is not simply me being mad about him metagaming me. He is flat out saying my playstyle is the opposite as the New Briarsburg game. Then he is saying he knows my alignment in that game. Then he is saying I must have a different alignment in this game because of my playstyle. This creates several large problems. The first of which is that if I am proven town in either game, then players will assume I am scum in the other. That is some serious bullshit. He is using something that only he knows (My alignment in NB mafia) and telling everyone about my playstyle when I have a certain alignment. People who talk about other games get fucking modkilled in most Mafia Forums. It is not only a violation of an unwritten code of ethics regarding modding games, but it is down right dirty for him to bring up. I don't know if he is scum or not, but I know for a fact that what he just did was unethical.

The only thing wrong about Squirrel making this case is that it comments on an ongoing game. However because it is his game it is his choice on whether to say that info or not. If I were in the same situation I wouldn't have done the same but meh, it's a choice that he gets to make. Also I would liek to say that Herkyderky's defense only makes him seem scummiar.

What defense? I'm not even talking about a defense here. I haven't said anything about my alignment one way or the other. My issue is with Mr. S.

Analyzing a player's style is not illegal. In fact it is done all the time. (in fact, I always get worried when I see chu acting serious) And I didn't say anything about your role. I merely said that your actions in Briarsburg revealed you to be a generally aggressive player and that what you said to vio was not typical of you. That is what I based my comment on, nothing else. Anyone can read the briarsburg game or any game on this forum for that matter. Your response means I struck a nerve and you probably wouldn't be nearly as angry if my analysis wasn't true. Now, I am not saying anything about you except that you are probably connected in some way to vio.

I would never reveal any information that would lead to any repercussions in the briarsburg game, or any ongoing game for that matter. I chose my words very carefully when I posted so that I didn't.

Let me spell this out, you little twat. You weren't analyzing shit. You were saying that my playstyle is different from in another game WHERE ONLY YOU KNOW MY ALIGNMENT! You are using the fact that you are modding the game to use info NOBODY ELSE HAS ACCESS TO! You implied that my alignment in this game is different from my alignment in the NB game and you are the only one who knows my alignment!!!!!! So what happens in this game if I am town? Huh? Does that fucking mean that people in NB will start to wonder if I am scum because of the shit you said?!?! Don't you dare say this couldn't lead to repercussions when you have no fucking clue what your comments could lead to!

But the thing about Herky is I don't get why he'd make such a big case about it unless it hurt him. I have a feeling that if Squirrel was correct in his anyalis and they were both town, Herky would have admitted that straight up.

You are assuming that we are linked when there is no evidence to support that. This is what I am making a big deal about. Squirrel pulls some shit out of his asshole and has you all thinking I am a linked role because he is modding some other game. This is bullshit. I haven't "admitted" that we are town because I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE HELL SHE IS!

Well, we know 1 thing for sure, Herk's aggressive gameplay just came back.

Seeing his last post (and the fact that if he is talking the truth in the briarsburg game squirrel can't be the only player having knowledge of his role, meaning if he is telling the truth here he pretty much screwed that game up [seeing the whole team rocket thing] ) I'm more convinced that he's not just overreacting because he's paranoid. I think he's also overreacting because he's badly afraid of being lynched on day 1.

unvote vote THM

The reason I am pissed is because his accusations have either fucked up this game or the NB game. Because I am town in both.

For those who desire a more analytical view, consider the context of this post. As anyone who has seen him play can tell, herk basically posts anything and everything that comes to mind. Now, if this is true why would he feel the desire to warn violet of anything? I have seen how he is a very aggressive player and basically makes accusations all over the place. Trying to help another seems unlike him unless he is somehow tied to them. That's just my interpretation though.

this it's true, i hadn't made the link before Mr squirrel spelled it out so nicely for us, but the herk is a player that seems to have a knack for conflict and flaming, and he is always quick to throw accusations without even try to construct a real case, but i have never ever saw him give a constructive critic to someone, or act kindly for that matters, this in itself is more of a character trait than a scum tell, but see him change his behavioral pattern so suddenly and get out of his way to be helpful of violet it does grant some suspicion, and i really don't see anything bigger or better going on right now FOS herk

There is no link, retards. I was being caustic. I wasn't being helpful, I was being a dick.

First off, f*ck YOU! Where the f*ck do you get off talking about my play style in an ongoing game? Shut the f*ck up! What the hell is your problem? You don't get to comment on shit that others have no idea about! Just because you are modding New Briarsburg doesn't mean you get to talk about my playstyle, my role, or anything else! SHUT THE f*ck UP!

Second, see above.

seriously, for over react that much squirrel REALLY must have touch a sensitive spot, townies don't go on blind rage just for the lol's and what he discussed is your playing style, which anyone can check by themselves just swinging by the thread of the game mentioned above, is not a big secret, and he revealed nothing that could actually have any kind of influence in the other running game, what he did is called meta-gaming, not my favorite strategy, but better than stick to joke votes and whatnot, so get over it and get used to it, you are accountable for your actions, here or anywhere else unvote vote herk

It doesn't matter. Nobody in the NB game knows what my alignment is for sure. What if I am NK'd and come out town? By his argument I am scum in this game. What he did hurt my game in this one, or in the NB. I am town in both. Whichever one I die in first, the other will think I am scum and that is bullshit.

I agree with the above two posts, however since flores' vote puts herk at l-1, I'm going to unvote
However, that's only because I want to hear from herk about his hissy fit. Any explanation that doesn't cut it and my vote will be going back on.

I'm gonna unvote too until we hear word from him. I would hate to see him the victim of a quick BW lynch by simmers or somthing before he can tell us what's up, especially if his role is a lover or something else that will get them both killed. Should be at L-3 now

Oh, I see. Now you are Mr. Nice Guy. f*ck you. I'm a fucking town roleblocker, retard.


VOTE MR.SQUIRREL

Reasoning: His bullshit argument to try and frame me.

[rdsrds2120]

Cool your jets, theherkman. That flaming is unnecessary.

-rd

[Mr. Squirrel]

He is flat out saying my playstyle is the opposite as the New Briarsburg game.

Agreed

Then he is saying he knows my alignment in that game. Then he is saying I must have a different alignment in this game because of my playstyle.

I am not saying this. I have not said what your alignment is in either game. I have no idea what you are in this game and I had no reason to assume you were scum until you decided to overreact like this.

The first of which is that if I am proven town in either game, then players will assume I am scum in the other. That is some serious bullshit. He is using something that only he knows (My alignment in NB mafia) and telling everyone about my playstyle when I have a certain alignment.

Look, I have said nothing about your alignment or role in either game. What I did say was that I observed you playing very aggressively in Briarsburg, both when you were convicting and defending someone. Judging by the way you voted vio and then tried to warn her, I assumed you were aligned with her while still trying to appear not so (by the vote). Now, this could mean you are scum or lovers or masons or whatever. Not once did your alignment or role in the Briarsburg game come into my analysis.
And if anyone tries to accuse you in one game because you show up as town in another, then they are just a bad mafia player who sees only in black and white. There is no rule that says that scum act one way and town acts the opposite. Anyone who assumes you are automatically scum because you act differently has not played enough mafia. Different town roles play differently as well. The only reason I am pursuing you in this matter is because I believe you have a linked role. Now, on account that that means that you could be scum, I am willing to pursue the lead.

And the only reason I cite my briarsburg mafia is that it is the only mafia I have seen you in. I'm sure I could cite aggressive posts made by you in any other mafia and justify my position just as well. I only use briarsburg because its the only one I know with you in it.

You implied that my alignment in this game is different from my alignment in the NB game and you are the only one who knows my alignment!!!!!!

I never said this. If I did, please quote me on it. My words may have been misunderstood.

you little twat

you have no fucking clue

This is bullshit

retards.

f*ck you. I'm a fucking town roleblocker, retard.

A soft little squirrel like myself can't handle such abuse.....

[spiesr]

The letter is H, for Hot.

The temperature continued to drop, the old tablecloth that the waitress draped over the window frame did little against the blasting cold, but still the customers did not give in, they came in and were seated by the staunch Maitre d' who did his best not to shiver at the entrance.
Suddenly the sous chef gathered everyone together "Let's take a break to enjoy some warm soup, it's on me."
It smelled too delicious to hold back the first to take a gulp was theherkman, he burned his tongue and will scream out in pain should he use the letters "L" or "N", should he stifle his pain in his next post instead, none of you will be aware of the scorching soup and the next three players to post after him with have the same PR for the rest of the day-phase.

I don't understand what this means. Can someone explain this to me?

It appears that the mod has decided to give people post restrictions for his amusement. You have been given one where if you use the letters "N" or "L" in nay post you make, presumably for the duration of the day, you have to scream out in pain. If you do not do so then the three people who post after you will get the same restriction placed on them. So I guess rds, squirrel, and I now have this restriction as well. This doesn't really make much sense to me.
OH GOD THE SOUP! NOT DIRECTLY IN THE FACE!!

[aage]

I like how that excludes me

Anyway, it seems like TheHerkMan is assuming Mr. Squirrel is using outside knowledge in this game without showing us where... And honestly I can't see where, nor can I believe he would.

[safariguy5]

Well ok, so lost in all that screaming was a roleclaim, town roleblocker for Herk. Anyone here have a counterclaim?

Here's the problem if we're arguing about playstyle, it's a bit of a WIFOM.

[aage]

Here's the problem if we're arguing about playstyle, it's a bit of a WIFOM.

It is, but it's not a very good way for a town roleblocker to respond to a loose comment, is it? :s
Anyway, thou shallt rant, I believe the 12th was, so let's look beyond that. Herk is being seriously offensive towards Mr. Squirrel because the animal attacks one of people still playing in his game, for reasons I'll call metagaming. Still, there's nothing to be gained. And it's especially strange how the response suddenly changed from "hmmz you might wanna stop doing that or you'll get lynched" to "OMFG you f*cking retard screw you". I know this might be 'regular', but I still find it scummy.
I'll buy the roleclaim for now until someone decides he's lying.

[FloresDelMal]

*pats Mr. S on the back* there there, i hope big bad flaming herk will see evil of his ways.

Herk, being a jerk is not helping your case, i dislike you, a lot, you are irritating, rude, dumb half of the time, and the other half way too hot headed for let your smarts shine through, i have no doubt that on the right medication or social circumstances you must be a delightful person, but here you aren't, this is not a flaming forum, is a game forum, a place were ppl come to relax and have a good time, not to put up with your venting, frustration and general negative attitude, if your life sucks work on improve it, dont take it our on us, is quitte unpleasing.

The thing that kinda saddens me is that the one time we thought you were being helpful, you were actually being a dick as usual, and we misread your intentions, confusing your bad mojo with a figment of humanity, but such is life, anyway, i don't vote ppl based on personal feelings so unvote herk for as long as you haven't been counterclaimed or proven scum, bit seriously guy, you don't need to type everything that you think or feel, edit yourself before hit submit.

maybe we should re-consider the case of violet, we were voting her before for a reason, but then we got sidetracked by the herk FOS Vio

[DrewDude]

Oh my what a lovely crowd we have here. "Act scummy and I'll assume you're scum", what an unnecessary thing to say. That phrase pretty much goes without saying in mafia which is why I commented on my high lynch rate regardless of peoples threats and accusations. As for Flores I love to punish people that over-think things as well as under-thinking things, but I will give you some credit for not straight up voting me yet. Also I'll take mediocre as a compliment due to everyone else's opinions on me so far in this game seem much more negative than how you phrased it. I can be an helpful if I wish to do so, you just chose to label me as unhelpful so far due to my playing style and my passiveness since really all i see is major beating around the bush so far pointing fingers here and there and for herk screaming at people. As for Haggis, voting a townie off first chance doesn't help either so really either way you look at it this could be a double edged sword we're trying to grab if our assumptions are wrong.

Why, I suggest you give us any clue on what we could do? Or how? Or perhaps you could give an example?

Best sailsmen are on the beach...

For one thing you can stop focusing on the trivial things and start focusing on where your vote needs to go in order to progress this day along. Also I'm honestly not trying to be a dick, sorry if I sound that way I just dislike having to defend my ways of doing things even if it doesn't sound like a very solid plan.

[Mr. Squirrel]

maybe we should re-consider the case of violet, we were voting her before for a reason, but then we got sidetracked by the herk FOS Vio

Ummm.... what was the case against violet? I was just accusing her because I wanted to get the game going.

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Vote count


Mr. Squirrel: 4 votes (Victor Sullivan, aage, Vioiet, theherkman)

Victor Sullivan: 1 votes (spiesr)

Fircoal: 1 vote (Haggis_McMutton)

ga7: 1 vote (xuereb)

theherkman: 4 votes (Victor Sullivan, Fircoal, ga7, aage)

DrewDude: 1 vote ( safariguy5)

eight to lynch, deadline Wednesday

[Victor Sullivan]

vote xuereb. Maybe I can get a third vote (heheheheee...)

-Sully

[theherkman]

Why do four people still have me voted despite my claim? Seriously?

[xuereb]

vote xuereb. Maybe I can get a third vote (heheheheee...)

-Sully

your not going to get my vote that easily
you need to earn it!

[safariguy5]

Wait, the vote count has Victor on two people...

[aage]

Why do four people still have me voted despite my claim? Seriously?

Cause I forgot to unvote. And I really can't be bothered to unless I have a better suspect.
(It took me longer to write that than to unvote. I know, right? But it's more or less a future reference...)

[Mr. Squirrel]

Here's the problem if we're arguing about playstyle, it's a bit of a WIFOM.

It is, but it's not a very good way for a town roleblocker to respond to a loose comment, is it? :s
Anyway, thou shallt rant, I believe the 12th was, so let's look beyond that. Herk is being seriously offensive towards Mr. Squirrel because the animal attacks one of people still playing in his game, for reasons I'll call metagaming. Still, there's nothing to be gained. And it's especially strange how the response suddenly changed from "hmmz you might wanna stop doing that or you'll get lynched" to "OMFG you f*cking retard screw you". I know this might be 'regular', but I still find it scummy.
I'll buy the roleclaim for now until someone decides he's lying.

I'm of the same opinion. The response was scummier than the original post. I would like to see another lynch target than him, but if the deadline is around the corner I would settle for a herk lynch.

[theherkman]

Here's the problem if we're arguing about playstyle, it's a bit of a WIFOM.

It is, but it's not a very good way for a town roleblocker to respond to a loose comment, is it? :s
Anyway, thou shallt rant, I believe the 12th was, so let's look beyond that. Herk is being seriously offensive towards Mr. Squirrel because the animal attacks one of people still playing in his game, for reasons I'll call metagaming. Still, there's nothing to be gained. And it's especially strange how the response suddenly changed from "hmmz you might wanna stop doing that or you'll get lynched" to "OMFG you f*cking retard screw you". I know this might be 'regular', but I still find it scummy.
I'll buy the roleclaim for now until someone decides he's lying.

I'm of the same opinion. The response was scummier than the original post. I would like to see another lynch target than him, but if the deadline is around the corner I would settle for a herk lynch.

Sweet! We know what alignment you are. Tell ya' what. Why don't I just say I'm scum to give you an excuse. You know that's what you're looking for. Lynch me now, squirrel.

[spiesr]

Sweet! We know what alignment you are. Tell ya' what. Why don't I just say I'm scum to give you an excuse. You know that's what you're looking for. Lynch me now, squirrel.

Silly herkman, when we these newbies learn that other players are in no way obligated to believe every role claim a person makes, and that just saying I am town loudly doesn't mean it has to be true? Someone not believing you when you say you are town doesn't automatically make them scum. And while it can be used as evidence against that person, it is usually not enough evidence to build a case against them by itself.

Wait, the vote count has Victor on two people...

Victor himself noticed this.

vote xuereb. Maybe I can get a third vote (heheheheee...)

It appears to be a mod error at the moment, we will see these extra votes survive any sort of revisions to the vote count.
THE BURNING

[Victor Sullivan]

Wait, the vote count has Victor on two people...

Wow, safariguy, just wow...

[Mr. Squirrel]

Here's the problem if we're arguing about playstyle, it's a bit of a WIFOM.

It is, but it's not a very good way for a town roleblocker to respond to a loose comment, is it? :s
Anyway, thou shallt rant, I believe the 12th was, so let's look beyond that. Herk is being seriously offensive towards Mr. Squirrel because the animal attacks one of people still playing in his game, for reasons I'll call metagaming. Still, there's nothing to be gained. And it's especially strange how the response suddenly changed from "hmmz you might wanna stop doing that or you'll get lynched" to "OMFG you f*cking retard screw you". I know this might be 'regular', but I still find it scummy.
I'll buy the roleclaim for now until someone decides he's lying.

I'm of the same opinion. The response was scummier than the original post. I would like to see another lynch target than him, but if the deadline is around the corner I would settle for a herk lynch.

Sweet! We know what alignment you are. Tell ya' what. Why don't I just say I'm scum to give you an excuse. You know that's what you're looking for. Lynch me now, squirrel.

I'm going to ignore your sarcasm and instead ask for a full roleclaim. You say you are a roleblocker, is there anything else? and what is the name of your role?