Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[chapcrap]

You can't predict what the mafia will do, just like they can't predict what you'll do. Your reasoning is absurd.

[Ragian]

@jak, are we to understand that it's your position that claimed roles should not disclose their information so they have to answer to that?

Also, even if you told us whom you protected and wanted to protect that player again, the mafia would prolly be deterred from targeting that player and thus you achieve double protection because you're free to protect any other player. I think we discussed this D1 too at some point.

[Djfireside]

Sadly in reading this it is going back and forth and the overall fact is that it appears Jak will not budge from their path which leaves us at a impass.

It seems Jak is hoping for mafia to hit a certain target but the fact that this conversation has gone on for over 6 pages leaves it to the fact that unless all mafia members were sleeping, they would hit away from your target or at you to be safe. They fact that this has gone on as long as it has leaves your plan a little off. However, being the claimed doctor, you hold weight here. If you dont want to tell your actions, thats your own call Im not going to vote you for it... today. At this point I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in that your plan has some merit to it as you have surprised me with somethings and want to see what you have up your sleeve. Tommorrow is a different day and based on a claim you gain the responsibility to assist town with information since you garnished enough attention to be forced a claim.

I personally for now will let you run your gambit and see what comes of it, but will come asking again with less flexibility. I dont understand your thought process but I dont know who or what you have seen. You seem pretty adament about it which is why I think you should be given the reprieve to run with it,.

As for the case on Chap, I tend to find his later statements short and more condecending and just trying to skate through and not be here or there which catchs me a bit off. Since I have to run to a meeting and this whole thought process has taken longer than expect I will revisit that and other points when I get back from lunch

[jak111]

Thank you Dj, like I said, D3/D4 my actions will be reveled, however nothing happened last night for my information to benefit town, I will let it loose tomorrow, but I wish to keep it to myself for tonight. See how desperate the mafia get.

Also, thank you for commenting on the unreasonable amount of time spent on this topic, I've stated before it's going no where so let's move somewhere else for today, also I've given out my plans for what I will do on it, so besides them no one's learning anything else for today.

Please bring forward what you wish on the Chap case, for I am interested in seeing others views who take the time to look.

^ See, I can be a nice guy fellas, just gotta be able to speak to a reasonable person is all.

[safariguy5]

Thank you Dj, like I said, D3/D4 my actions will be reveled, however nothing happened last night for my information to benefit town, I will let it loose tomorrow, but I wish to keep it to myself for tonight. See how desperate the mafia get.

Also, thank you for commenting on the unreasonable amount of time spent on this topic, I've stated before it's going no where so let's move somewhere else for today, also I've given out my plans for what I will do on it, so besides them no one's learning anything else for today.

Please bring forward what you wish on the Chap case, for I am interested in seeing others views who take the time to look.

^ See, I can be a nice guy fellas, just gotta be able to speak to a reasonable person is all.

Oh right, like those little backhanded insults towards me and the condescending attitude makes you a "nice guy".

Don't do me any favors jak, might as well call me a fucker to my face instead of sticking it in my back.

You're painting my line of thinking as being completely illogical, while I believe I have some merit (other people seem to agree with me as well). You're fine in believing whatever you want to believe, but I see a possibility for a fakeclaim here that you have not sufficiently addressed.

In that light, I cannot support the case on chap simply for agreeing with me as this is a valid concern that I believe we need to address now.

What happens if you are killed tonight jak? We'll lose your night action as well as any possible future information?

[jak111]

Thank you Dj, like I said, D3/D4 my actions will be reveled, however nothing happened last night for my information to benefit town, I will let it loose tomorrow, but I wish to keep it to myself for tonight. See how desperate the mafia get.

Also, thank you for commenting on the unreasonable amount of time spent on this topic, I've stated before it's going no where so let's move somewhere else for today, also I've given out my plans for what I will do on it, so besides them no one's learning anything else for today.

Please bring forward what you wish on the Chap case, for I am interested in seeing others views who take the time to look.

^ See, I can be a nice guy fellas, just gotta be able to speak to a reasonable person is all.

Oh right, like those little backhanded insults towards me and the condescending attitude makes you a "nice guy".

Don't do me any favors jak, might as well call me a fucker to my face instead of sticking it in my back.

You're painting my line of thinking as being completely illogical, while I believe I have some merit (other people seem to agree with me as well). You're fine in believing whatever you want to believe, but I see a possibility for a fakeclaim here that you have not sufficiently addressed.

In that light, I cannot support the case on chap simply for agreeing with me as this is a valid concern that I believe we need to address now.

What happens if you are killed tonight jak? We'll lose your night action as well as any possible future information?

You're not an ass for your thinking Saf, I agree it could be useful, but I've already stated countless times that it isn't helpful to the town at this moment, I'll say what I did tomorrow, and with that you continue to pester for information, which in that part, I will call you an ass. Not for the fact that you want the information, but for the fact that you completely IGNORE my reasons and not address them fully like you seem to be saying that I'm doing to you.

The case on Chap is for his game play throughout the entire game Saf, not just this ONE incident. If it was that case I'd be on you for starting it, but it's not, it's because of how he's played, we thought him scummy yesterday, and he's played scummy today, which deserves some pressure.

If I am killed tonight, like I've also stated multiple times, my information is NOT useful for town at the moment, so believe me when I say you won't be missing much. I'm keeping it secret so the mafia have no clue who I might protect tonight, which isn't that illogical when I've also stated multiple times that it's likely I will protect the same person tonight.

Now, what is getting to me is that I'm answering you Saf, again and AGAIN, and you ignore my answers, continuing to whine about me not stating my information. Now, Chap here's a reason you can call me a dick. Both of you need to at least ANSWER my answers to your questions before you whine about me not giving information. Am I the only one who sees that I'm answering them, yet they ignore my answers? Yes I seem like an idiot for bothering to fight with them, but I believe Saf is town some what, just with a narrow thought process at the moment of "And then? And then? And then?" Expecting me to have a different answer every time he asks it. (Yes, a reference to Dude Where's My Car if you didn't notice )

So Saf, I'm not going to slander you, or belittle your posts, but you really need to see I'm answering your questions and accusations, so either reply to them or drop the case for a bit because you're not really gaining that much support bickering about it with me again and again. I've made my decision and it's final, whether you like it or not, I really don't care. You're a VT, perhaps I should be whining about how you're not as willing to take a bullet for the town as you should be as a VT. But I'm not going to because I'm not going to judge how you play a role.

[everywhere116]

@jak I'm not sure you truly understand saf's position or why saf wants your night action. Can you explain to me why saf is so interested in your night action, and why he might be upset that you won't reveal it?

@saf Do you believe that jak is the doctor? Note that this isn't a straight yes/no question, answer in any way you like.

[safariguy5]

@jak I'm not sure you truly understand saf's position or why saf wants your night action. Can you explain to me why saf is so interested in your night action, and why he might be upset that you won't reveal it?

@saf Do you believe that jak is the doctor? Note that this isn't a straight yes/no question, answer in any way you like.

I'm becoming more and more skeptical that jak is the doctor. If I had to play percentages right now, I'd say it's along the lines of 60% he isn't and 40% he is. Whether or not the doctor believes his information is important or not is irrelevant. What he might find not important someone else might find it is.

Let's say jak is mafia and faked a night action. Let's say he claimed he saved chap, and the tracker followed jak and found out that jak didn't save chap. This would be very useful information for town and would probably lead to a scum lynch for us. However, jak can sit back and say that his information is "not important" and nobody can prove or disprove his night action.

A real town doc, once revealed, should reveal all night actions precisely to prevent something like the above to occur. The longer jak stalls his night actions, the more I believe he's really mafia fakeclaiming doc and scared of being exposed faking his night action. In fact, almost all outed town roles with night actions should do this to help convince the other townies that they indeed are who they say they are.

[DoomYoshi]

You're not an ass for your thinking Saf, I agree it could be useful, but I've already stated countless times that it isn't helpful to the town at this moment, I'll say what I did tomorrow, and with that you continue to pester for information, which in that part, I will call you an ass. Not for the fact that you want the information, but for the fact that you completely IGNORE my reasons and not address them fully like you seem to be saying that I'm doing to you.

Which part of your argument has everyone ignored?

I never believed he was the town doctor anyways Unvote vote jak.

Stop being a dick, so we can continue playing the game.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i was siding with jak earlier. but now im seeing what everyone is saying. and if your thinking about saving the same person i would be supriesed if you didnt think of the idea of saying your night action saying your gonna protect that person then actually protect someone else therefore doccing on two instead of just one. and what makes you so sure you wont die tonight. it seems to me that its highly possible unless your protecting yourself. and if your do then we wont have that info. but then again when your dead that info doesnt help us so if your dead then why would we need your info to catch you in a lie if your dead. so really its best if you give it right now. if we dont get your info as soon as possible then we might not get it at all. and if voting for you is the only way to do it then so be it.unvote vote jak hopefully this doesnt come to far so you might as well tell.

[pmchugh]

I don't see why this is a particularly big issue for people, especially if you believe jaks claim which I do. His logic isn't perfect but I don't really care, there is not much benefit from him claiming his action today. Let us even assume he is mafia, well then he isn't going to die tonight and he will have to reveal his actions tomorrow anyway and he is just directing attention towards himself by not claiming. I really don't see it.

I find it strange that people are caring so much about this that they are voting an uncced doc. Jak may well be right about scum using this as a tactic to stall other cases, I also find clevers quick opinion reversal strange but not uncommon for him.

so saf, you're willing to potentially LYNCH -the- DOC just because he refuses to reveal his night action? So what, we get him to L-1, he says who he targeted, then mafia speed hammer and we get a dead doc. Is that what you're trying for here? If my vote wasn't already on you I'd vote you right now. Voting the uncounterclaimed doc just because he's trying to keep mafia in the dark

Reread coming later today or tomorrow.

-SG7 ( )

As saf pointed out this is a mafallacy, mafia don't speed lynch day 2.

[pmchugh]

Also I want to give kudos to ragian on his new guy case, that was one of the best finds of the day for me.

[jak111]

Okay, you guys really need to stop twisting my words every post. I've stated my information is no use to TOWN today, so if I'm lying and I don't make until tomorrow then no one will miss a thing. If I make it til tomorrow, then you'll have two nights worth of information. I've also stated that if anyone seen me near someone who is dead now, they would have spoken up, since they have not I would assume that either they weren't watching me, or they seen me toward someone who ISN'T dead.

But want to know what, I'm not bothering with answering everything again and again. Call me an ass, call be a douche bag, call me a retard, whatever. I'm tired of giving out everything of my plans and it's not even noticed. If you want me to answer your posts ~Those whom are above this post~ Search my posts, read each one carefully. Because I'm done. Anymore of this where I have to state the same thing I'm just gonna go get mod killed to clear EVERYTHING up.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I don't see why this is a particularly big issue for people, especially if you believe jaks claim which I do. His logic isn't perfect but I don't really care, there is not much benefit from him claiming his action today. Let us even assume he is mafia, well then he isn't going to die tonight and he will have to reveal his actions tomorrow anyway and he is just directing attention towards himself by not claiming. I really don't see it.

I find it strange that people are caring so much about this that they are voting an uncced doc. Jak may well be right about scum using this as a tactic to stall other cases, I also find clevers quick opinion reversal strange but not uncommon for him.

so saf, you're willing to potentially LYNCH -the- DOC just because he refuses to reveal his night action? So what, we get him to L-1, he says who he targeted, then mafia speed hammer and we get a dead doc. Is that what you're trying for here? If my vote wasn't already on you I'd vote you right now. Voting the uncounterclaimed doc just because he's trying to keep mafia in the dark

Reread coming later today or tomorrow.

-SG7 ( )

As saf pointed out this is a mafallacy, mafia don't speed lynch day 2.

that was one of my concerns that it may seem fast to switch views but i see the points made. i really should stop jumping around till i hear all sides of the case

[pmchugh]

jak and saf, didn't we talk about personal attacks? Count to ten and preview before you post

[Leehar]

Also I want to give kudos to ragian on his new guy case, that was one of the best finds of the day for me.

I missed it, whats going on with new guy?

[safariguy5]

I don't see why this is a particularly big issue for people, especially if you believe jaks claim which I do. His logic isn't perfect but I don't really care, there is not much benefit from him claiming his action today. Let us even assume he is mafia, well then he isn't going to die tonight and he will have to reveal his actions tomorrow anyway and he is just directing attention towards himself by not claiming. I really don't see it.

I find it strange that people are caring so much about this that they are voting an uncced doc. Jak may well be right about scum using this as a tactic to stall other cases, I also find clevers quick opinion reversal strange but not uncommon for him.

so saf, you're willing to potentially LYNCH -the- DOC just because he refuses to reveal his night action? So what, we get him to L-1, he says who he targeted, then mafia speed hammer and we get a dead doc. Is that what you're trying for here? If my vote wasn't already on you I'd vote you right now. Voting the uncounterclaimed doc just because he's trying to keep mafia in the dark

Reread coming later today or tomorrow.

-SG7 ( )

As saf pointed out this is a mafallacy, mafia don't speed lynch day 2.

Often, a good scumtell is looking for deviations from normal behavior. And this isn't a question of a personal preference for playing out a role, this is a deviation which could indicate a mafia fakeclaim. I see no reason to drop this line of reasoning as it's conceivable that this is a mafia play to draw out more investigative roles. This shouldn't be an issue, but due to jak's assertions, I believe it definitely is something that needs to be resolved now.

I have yet to see any evidence that would support jak's doc claim, a night action claim would make me believe his doc claim more assuming nobody disputes his action.

[jak111]

I don't see why this is a particularly big issue for people, especially if you believe jaks claim which I do. His logic isn't perfect but I don't really care, there is not much benefit from him claiming his action today. Let us even assume he is mafia, well then he isn't going to die tonight and he will have to reveal his actions tomorrow anyway and he is just directing attention towards himself by not claiming. I really don't see it.

I find it strange that people are caring so much about this that they are voting an uncced doc. Jak may well be right about scum using this as a tactic to stall other cases, I also find clevers quick opinion reversal strange but not uncommon for him.

so saf, you're willing to potentially LYNCH -the- DOC just because he refuses to reveal his night action? So what, we get him to L-1, he says who he targeted, then mafia speed hammer and we get a dead doc. Is that what you're trying for here? If my vote wasn't already on you I'd vote you right now. Voting the uncounterclaimed doc just because he's trying to keep mafia in the dark

Reread coming later today or tomorrow.

-SG7 ( )

As saf pointed out this is a mafallacy, mafia don't speed lynch day 2.

Often, a good scumtell is looking for deviations from normal behavior. And this isn't a question of a personal preference for playing out a role, this is a deviation which could indicate a mafia fakeclaim. I see no reason to drop this line of reasoning as it's conceivable that this is a mafia play to draw out more investigative roles. This shouldn't be an issue, but due to jak's assertions, I believe it definitely is something that needs to be resolved now.

I have yet to see any evidence that would support jak's doc claim, a night action claim would make me believe his doc claim more assuming nobody disputes his action.

Really Saf, so how can we tell your town? You've claimed a VT, easy to hide under and easy to be on the offensive and have an excuse. It does need to be resolved, it should have been resolved pages back, drop it Saf because you aren't getting the information you seek until tomorrow. If you wish to threaten me with "You might not live until tomorrow" Well we''ll just have to take that chance, now won't we?

Though this is what I find very curious, you're intentionally skimming my replies. Any evidence that supports my claim? How about not being counter claimed? Not being called out on visiting someone who's dead? Are those not evidence that can conclude to it? How can you be any surer of me being town if I claim my night action Saf? You can't clear it yourself, it'd require someone saying yes I did, or no I didn't which would out more power roles on D2. Which you claim that I'm trying to do, look in the mirror Saf.

[safariguy5]

If you don't believe me to be VT, by all means, vote me. There are many reasons why the town doctor wouldn't counterclaim mafia, the doc may believe he can get the mafia player lynched without revealing himself. It's possible he could be some sort of sanity doc, and therefore a counterclaim is no sure thing that both of them are false.

You revealing your night action makes it more likely your town because you give everyone one night action to fact check. Each day a mafia player fakes his night action increases the likelihood someone finds a discrepancy. So each day you declare a night action, if it goes unchallenged, the more likely you are to be town. As of right now, you are no more sure of being town than I am. The only difference being that you claimed a power role and I didn't.

Exactly what part of your posts have I skimmed? I expect you to claim your Night 2 action on Day 3. I also expect you to declare your Night 1 action today.

[jak111]

If you don't believe me to be VT, by all means, vote me. There are many reasons why the town doctor wouldn't counterclaim mafia, the doc may believe he can get the mafia player lynched without revealing himself. It's possible he could be some sort of sanity doc, and therefore a counterclaim is no sure thing that both of them are false.

You revealing your night action makes it more likely your town because you give everyone one night action to fact check. Each day a mafia player fakes his night action increases the likelihood someone finds a discrepancy. So each day you declare a night action, if it goes unchallenged, the more likely you are to be town. As of right now, you are no more sure of being town than I am. The only difference being that you claimed a power role and I didn't.

Exactly what part of your posts have I skimmed? I expect you to claim your Night 2 action on Day 3. I also expect you to declare your Night 1 action today.

You keep saying I need to claim today or you won't believe me, which I said I'd claim tomorrow for both night actions. That you completely skimmed. Any further questions, go back and check my posts Saf, I've explained what I shall do, don't like it? To bad.

As for everyone else, why are you all laying so damn low? You make mafia easy to hide in there with ya's. If Saf will put on his head straight for the rest of today and resume his accusations tomorrow, we should work together and actually dig out people who've tagged along with either of us, adding nothing to anything, or people who just plain haven't posted in DAYS.

[safariguy5]

If you don't believe me to be VT, by all means, vote me. There are many reasons why the town doctor wouldn't counterclaim mafia, the doc may believe he can get the mafia player lynched without revealing himself. It's possible he could be some sort of sanity doc, and therefore a counterclaim is no sure thing that both of them are false.

You revealing your night action makes it more likely your town because you give everyone one night action to fact check. Each day a mafia player fakes his night action increases the likelihood someone finds a discrepancy. So each day you declare a night action, if it goes unchallenged, the more likely you are to be town. As of right now, you are no more sure of being town than I am. The only difference being that you claimed a power role and I didn't.

Exactly what part of your posts have I skimmed? I expect you to claim your Night 2 action on Day 3. I also expect you to declare your Night 1 action today.

You keep saying I need to claim today or you won't believe me, which I said I'd claim tomorrow for both night actions. That you completely skimmed. Any further questions, go back and check my posts Saf, I've explained what I shall do, don't like it? To bad.

As for everyone else, why are you all laying so damn low? You make mafia easy to hide in there with ya's. If Saf will put on his head straight for the rest of today and resume his accusations tomorrow, we should work together and actually dig out people who've tagged along with either of us, adding nothing to anything, or people who just plain haven't posted in DAYS.

Nope, I didn't skim it. Since you're unwilling to claim your night action today, my vote remains on you. If you feel threatened by this, I suggest you consider alternate courses of action.

[everywhere116]

This is getting a bit ridiculous, jak. Can you at least answer my question that I presented yesterday? The post that saf answered by you didn't?

@jak I'm not sure you truly understand saf's position or why saf wants your night action. Can you explain to me why saf is so interested in your night action, and why he might be upset that you won't reveal it?

[jak111]

If you don't believe me to be VT, by all means, vote me. There are many reasons why the town doctor wouldn't counterclaim mafia, the doc may believe he can get the mafia player lynched without revealing himself. It's possible he could be some sort of sanity doc, and therefore a counterclaim is no sure thing that both of them are false.

You revealing your night action makes it more likely your town because you give everyone one night action to fact check. Each day a mafia player fakes his night action increases the likelihood someone finds a discrepancy. So each day you declare a night action, if it goes unchallenged, the more likely you are to be town. As of right now, you are no more sure of being town than I am. The only difference being that you claimed a power role and I didn't.

Exactly what part of your posts have I skimmed? I expect you to claim your Night 2 action on Day 3. I also expect you to declare your Night 1 action today.

You keep saying I need to claim today or you won't believe me, which I said I'd claim tomorrow for both night actions. That you completely skimmed. Any further questions, go back and check my posts Saf, I've explained what I shall do, don't like it? To bad.

As for everyone else, why are you all laying so damn low? You make mafia easy to hide in there with ya's. If Saf will put on his head straight for the rest of today and resume his accusations tomorrow, we should work together and actually dig out people who've tagged along with either of us, adding nothing to anything, or people who just plain haven't posted in DAYS.

Nope, I didn't skim it. Since you're unwilling to claim your night action today, my vote remains on you. If you feel threatened by this, I suggest you consider alternate courses of action.

Believe me, I'm not threatened. The fact I survived last night was luck. Chap is where my gut feeling is having a bad sense at. You're just stubborn, not scummy to me yet. If you cannot see the logic in my decision without calling it WIFOM (because right now you're doing WIFOM "It's a mafia tactic, HE MUST BE MAFIA!" Yea, I can see how much thought you put into that), then that is alright with me, because unlike you others can see it, whether or not they agree with it it doesn't matter, because they're not going to force others to play mafia how they want to.

Fasposted by Everywhere, I believe I semi-answered it in my post after that post, or it might have been when I just got sick of stating everything again and again, and basically said f*ck it to everyone XD. But I can see his position, yea mafia can fake claim doc, but if there was any information on disproving the doc it would have been brought forward. Saf is frustrated because of one of two reasons:
1.) He IS VT and he's running blind so he's panicking for information when there isn't that much to be given.
2.) He is mafia and he wants to know who I protected so he can avoid that player.
I think I'm leaning toward the first one, but the second case has crossed my mind a few times. If it is the second reason it means I'm doing my job anyhow, if it is the first, he should be able to at least respect my decision to keep in confidential for one more day so I can freely pick who I want to protect tonight.

If you will read this part if nothing else (this goes to everyone out there), that if you choose to believe me town, then you should trust my decision that it's of no use and I'm making the mafia's heads spin. If they believe me mafia, then tomorrow when I say TWO night actions and neither get countered they should be pleased. No one here should be able to say "I believe you are mafia, and you might not make it until tomorrow to give out both night actions" Well if I'm mafia, I'll make it until tomorrow for sure, if I'm town, just at least have respect for my decision.

^ Now, I think that's as clear as I can be so far. Stop contradicting yourselves of "We need to prove you are town, yet you might not make it until tomorrow to prove it" If I don't make it until tomorrow then trust me, it'll be proven in my death. Now Everywhere, I know you're sort of in the middle here, but do you see what I mean that either way both sides will get what they want if they listen?

[safariguy5]

I think you're making mafia out to be a lot dumber than they are. I don't think it was luck you survived, we probably have enough investigative/protective roles that they would be wasting a kill if they targeted you.

Whether you target the same person tonight or not is irrelevant. At this point, both you and mafia are throwing night actions out there and hoping you don't both land on the same number. The only difference is that mafia have fewer targets than you do.

Also, don't make the assumption that just because people "believed" your claim yesterday means that they believe your claim today. The whole point of my play yesterday was predicated on getting information from you today. If anything, I'm not being stubborn or backwards, I'm being consistent. If we keep not getting information, then we'll be exactly where we were at Day 1 and where we are at right now. With no information.

I also want to see your formal case against chap with quotes/analysis. Saying he's been following me is not a case as everywhere, doom, and clever have also expressed similar sentiments. Where exactly does chap strike you as scummy?

On the other hand, you expressed interest in pursuing an inactive wagon. Considering how much flak I got yesterday for suggesting the same thing from people like pmc, I would conclude that precedent says that is considered a non-townie thing to be doing this game. Unless the people who voted my wagon somehow can justify how inactive hunting yesterday is scummy but inactive hunting today is not.

So for better or worse, unless a better case comes out, I think this is the best way to jumpstart leads.

[everywhere116]

Fasposted by Everywhere, I believe I semi-answered it in my post after that post, or it might have been when I just got sick of stating everything again and again, and basically said f*ck it to everyone XD.

It was the latter.

But I can see his position, yea mafia can fake claim doc, but if there was any information on disproving the doc it would have been brought forward.

I don't really like this reasoning. You have clarified earlier what "information disproving the doc" is, so I'll go off that. No counterclaim is some credibility, but not a lot as another doctor might sit on his claim thinking that you will be lynched anyway, or might be thinking that there is more than one doc in the game. Not being called out as visiting a dead player is something we all can claim, so it's worthless. But let's say that there is a tracker or a watcher who has you action last night in his hand, but you have not publicly claimed to have targeted any specific player. That particular watcher or tracker might be able to confirm that what you are saying is true, which would give you even more credibility, but your refusal to do so could easily be interpreted as a mafia trying to get out of that kind of analysis being performed because he knows it would never hold up. Not saying that's what you're doing, but it is a possibilty, and one that we can't ignore.

Saf is frustrated because of one of two reasons:
1.) He IS VT and he's running blind so he's panicking for information when there isn't that much to be given.
2.) He is mafia and he wants to know who I protected so he can avoid that player.
I think I'm leaning toward the first one, but the second case has crossed my mind a few times. If it is the second reason it means I'm doing my job anyhow, if it is the first, he should be able to at least respect my decision to keep in confidential for one more day so I can freely pick who I want to protect tonight.

I don't know whether or not saf is mafia, but I do know that if he is a VT, he isn't blindly panicking around as you believe.

Now Everywhere, I know you're sort of in the middle here, but do you see what I mean that either way both sides will get what they want if they listen?

I think both sides could benefit from looking at this situation from the other's perspective, although to be honest, I think this applies more to you. Think about it for a moment: If you are a doctor, you know that and you are certain about that. You have to realize, however, that we cannot be. Doubt and uncertainty are inherent parts of mafia, we cannot simply blindly trust you about your claim and your choice to withhold your night action without some thought in the back of our minds going "Wait a minute. What if he's deceiving us, and he doesn't want to reveal his night action because he believes it will get him caught." We cannot be as certain as you are. You must realize this at some level.