Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[kwanton]

Well the thing is... and think about this for a second... MM flipping town makes it even MORE likely that any remaining trainers are TR.

Bullshit...we lost Ash, they lost Jessie. Statistically speaking each side is down one trainer. I am still curious though as to why what Hotshot did day one is so much more relevant than MM doing the exact same thing and you having zero problem with it. Please explain.

Actually the majority of people in this game are not down a trainer since we are unaligned with anyone.

[BuJaber]

I give up.. I have no idea how else to prove I'm a wild pokemon except to literally quote the entire PM I got from Mandy. And I can do that, but that is a lame way of playing. So whatever.

I don't care what people think is a scum tell. I promised myself I will play the way I think I should play, and the way that is fun for me. I was wasting time in previous games trying to adjust my style to fit this forum. That was stupid and I wasn't enjoying playing, so I'm not doing it anymore.
If you're gonna waste your time looking at the pronouns I use, go ahead, see if that helps you. Make mistakes, because that's how people learn. That's how I learn. I'm sorry that I prefer to write "we" instead of "wild pokemon" every time. It's 2 letters versus 11. Saying "we" doesn't prove I'm wild, but my posts have. And I'm not just saying that, Wing and Nark both think I'm wild. Maybe others too. All wild pokemon should tbh. And I think that kwanton, nark, mitch started as wild for sure. Skittles might be too. Not fully made my mind about Tala, he hasn't posted as often. Doom has been playing like an anti-TR trainer or possibly wild, which is why I wanted his insight on trainer mechanics. Ragian for once I don't read as scummy, but I'm not sure he's a pokemon.

I do have my own cases. I had a case against dakky, then he changed my mind, now I have a case against hotshot. I wanted hotshot himself to give me a case that is a better case than him to lynch because I wanted to see what he comes up with. If you don't think he's scummy then okay, fair enough. How about you contributing? Just saying my case is BS and not giving an alternative is not helpful.

For the record Talapus, yes, I see your point, maybe we don't have MORE chance of hitting scum, but we still have a very good chance at hitting scum if we lynch a trainer. Besides, we aren't really on the same side as trainers, we just share an enemy. That is the harsh truth in this game.

Maybe because you were robbed of the freedom to do your own night action dakky, you're trying to lynch the target you want as a change. A word of advice to your trainer, if you do end up lynching me, he shouldn't join that bandwagon. You told us that mewtwo is also your trainer's enemy, so there'd be a lot of people wanting to kill your trainer.

And just so you don't accuse me of not being helpful, let me clarify what I meant by saying you won't let us kill gary. If somebody makes a case on whoever your trainer is, you will defend him. Maybe not at first, but definitely by L-2, or L-1. For example if you tell me that hotshot is gary, then there is no way I would keep my vote on him.

[BuJaber]

Mandy - Can you nudge Mets? Or replace if necessary? Maybe he's too busy to play.

[dakky21]

@ BuJ... don't have time to quote everything so I will sum it up in one short answer - even if you posted your entire PM you got from Mandy, that wouldn't solve anything because all WP got the same message and I believe Scum Pokemons got the same message as well, so you could just change it from "mafia pokemon" to "wild pokemon" and therefore quoting the entire PM isn't going to help.

Mafia is a game of patience so don't lose nerves and try to contribute as much as you can. You said "us" and combined it with "kill" so that doesn't sound that good. Town lynch instead of kill. Wrong word used and that's a slip if you ask me. Of course if you're scum you need to pretend that you're town, but yeah, it's still a slip.

@ Ragian ... No, I did not target Tim.

@ Nark... well there you go, Mandy told me in a PM that he intended to phrase it like that so we still don't know if the target was a pokemon or a trainer. The action just failed, we can't deduct anything from the answer so it doesn't matter who did Gary target. Unless Gary did get a more specific message about his action and I got only "fail", but it's up to him then to take the next step.

[Anarkistsdream]

@ BuJ... don't have time to quote everything so I will sum it up in one short answer - even if you posted your entire PM you got from Mandy, that wouldn't solve anything because all WP got the same message and I believe Scum Pokemons got the same message as well, so you could just change it from "mafia pokemon" to "wild pokemon" and therefore quoting the entire PM isn't going to help.

Mafia is a game of patience so don't lose nerves and try to contribute as much as you can. You said "us" and combined it with "kill" so that doesn't sound that good. Town lynch instead of kill. Wrong word used and that's a slip if you ask me. Of course if you're scum you need to pretend that you're town, but yeah, it's still a slip.

@ Ragian ... No, I did not target Tim.

@ Nark... well there you go, Mandy told me in a PM that he intended to phrase it like that so we still don't know if the target was a pokemon or a trainer. The action just failed, we can't deduct anything from the answer so it doesn't matter who did Gary target. Unless Gary did get a more specific message about his action and I got only "fail", but it's up to him then to take the next step.

I don't care what the role was... I want you to NAME WHO WAS TARGETED...

You have to eventually choose some people to trust, Dakky... You are being a nazi about the wording, which is VERY helpful, don't get me wrong, but English is also not your first language... I think you are over analyzing far too much... You are missing the obvious because you keep looking for these tiny nuances...

[dakky21]

I don't care what the role was... I want you to NAME WHO WAS TARGETED...

You have to eventually choose some people to trust, Dakky... You are being a nazi about the wording, which is VERY helpful, don't get me wrong, but English is also not your first language... I think you are over analyzing far too much... You are missing the obvious because you keep looking for these tiny nuances...

Giving you a name will reveal who I don't trust and IF I am correct I will become an enemy to that person. I will see N2 in night chat with Gary if he got detailed action results so we can make a case tomorrow. This also makes me a potential target but at least if he survives, he can make a case.

And "these tiny nuances" often are tiny slips... so being a grammar nazi can be productive.

[Samlen]

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Apologizes for disappearing for a few days, I had some unexpected post-christmas chaos... I've got a rough understanding of what has gone on and am mostly interested in the hotshot case. I looked at the above mentioned quotes and then over hotshot's posts and I quite agree that they are relatively lacking in substance and shows distancing from fircoal. So I will Vote Hotshot.. Someone asked me about why I didn't go after mitch last night if I thought him so scummy and it's because I figured I could get him lynched today since pretty much all of his posts are scummy and I wanted to go after other hunches during the night. I guess I was wrong to think that, partially because few people are willing to go after him and partially since hotshot's behavior is just as scummy.

[dakky21]

Someone asked me about why I didn't go after mitch last night if I thought him so scummy and it's because I figured I could get him lynched today since pretty much all of his posts are scummy and I wanted to go after other hunches during the night. I guess I was wrong to think that, partially because few people are willing to go after him and partially since hotshot's behavior is just as scummy.

So basically you will bandwagon to the hotshot case which is already set while you think mitch posts are scummy? And you didn't go for mitch yesterday because you thought you can lynch him today, but today there is another wagon which you joined instead of pushing mitch case because no one is on it?

[Talapus]

I give up.. I have no idea how else to prove I'm a wild pokemon except to literally quote the entire PM I got from Mandy. And I can do that, but that is a lame way of playing. So whatever.

I don't care what people think is a scum tell. I promised myself I will play the way I think I should play, and the way that is fun for me. I was wasting time in previous games trying to adjust my style to fit this forum. That was stupid and I wasn't enjoying playing, so I'm not doing it anymore.
If you're gonna waste your time looking at the pronouns I use, go ahead, see if that helps you. Make mistakes, because that's how people learn. That's how I learn. I'm sorry that I prefer to write "we" instead of "wild pokemon" every time. It's 2 letters versus 11. Saying "we" doesn't prove I'm wild, but my posts have. And I'm not just saying that, Wing and Nark both think I'm wild. Maybe others too. All wild pokemon should tbh. And I think that kwanton, nark, mitch started as wild for sure. Skittles might be too. Not fully made my mind about Tala, he hasn't posted as often. Doom has been playing like an anti-TR trainer or possibly wild, which is why I wanted his insight on trainer mechanics. Ragian for once I don't read as scummy, but I'm not sure he's a pokemon.

I do have my own cases. I had a case against dakky, then he changed my mind, now I have a case against hotshot. I wanted hotshot himself to give me a case that is a better case than him to lynch because I wanted to see what he comes up with. If you don't think he's scummy then okay, fair enough. How about you contributing? Just saying my case is BS and not giving an alternative is not helpful.

For the record Talapus, yes, I see your point, maybe we don't have MORE chance of hitting scum, but we still have a very good chance at hitting scum if we lynch a trainer. Besides, we aren't really on the same side as trainers, we just share an enemy. That is the harsh truth in this game.

Maybe because you were robbed of the freedom to do your own night action dakky, you're trying to lynch the target you want as a change. A word of advice to your trainer, if you do end up lynching me, he shouldn't join that bandwagon. You told us that mewtwo is also your trainer's enemy, so there'd be a lot of people wanting to kill your trainer.

And just so you don't accuse me of not being helpful, let me clarify what I meant by saying you won't let us kill gary. If somebody makes a case on whoever your trainer is, you will defend him. Maybe not at first, but definitely by L-2, or L-1. For example if you tell me that hotshot is gary, then there is no way I would keep my vote on him.

Really???? You respond to all this and yet again fail to answer the same thing I have asked you twice? If you want me having a problem believing you are a wild Pokemon you are doing a damn fine job by ignoring what was asked. Last chance man or you may be my new favorite vote target today.

[madmitch]

Still unconvinced about the fircoal case so my vote is staying (plus I believe their roleclaim). Everything else is just people griping at each other over nonsensical stuff. I could unvote and and revote to "end the day quicker" but I see no point in lynching someone I do not believe is scum.

YOU were wrong about that!!! I don't trust you ,I think you are scum You keep jumping on me just like Legion and I believe both of you belong to TR.

[Samlen]

Someone asked me about why I didn't go after mitch last night if I thought him so scummy and it's because I figured I could get him lynched today since pretty much all of his posts are scummy and I wanted to go after other hunches during the night. I guess I was wrong to think that, partially because few people are willing to go after him and partially since hotshot's behavior is just as scummy.

So basically you will bandwagon to the hotshot case which is already set while you think mitch posts are scummy? And you didn't go for mitch yesterday because you thought you can lynch him today, but today there is another wagon which you joined instead of pushing mitch case because no one is on it?

I think that mitch AND hotshot posts are scummy. Apparently few people agree with me about mitch so I am no longer wasting time in an effort of futility.

[legionnare]

Cheers. Was just wondering if something had escaped me. I still don't feel for the mitch case...

And if you don't get the flavour bit about Tim, perhaps ask dakky. If what he says about his experience points indicating that others hit his target too is real, it seems only logical to deduce that dakky attacked Tim. How do you plead, dakky?

No worries ma man, fair enough if you don't feel for a case on mitch. As for Tim, I see two possibilities: 1) multiple attackers 2) Mafia hit disguised with flavour text. Out of the two 1 seems more likely to me as Mafia hit doesn't really fit with the flavour of the game.

[legionnare]

I don't seem to be getting any traction with my case on Mitch and there is more than a few folk that have vocally doubted the likelihood of him being scum. So I'll be the big man and admit that there is the possible that I may be wrong and Unvote. Not a pass in any way shape or form and still a FOS on Mitch but I feel that my time would be better used looking at who may have wished Serbia harm and try and uncover Mewtwo's identity.

[dakky21]

......... You told us that mewtwo is also your trainer's enemy, so there'd be a lot of people wanting to kill your trainer.

......... I feel that my time would be better used looking at who may have wished Serbia harm and try and uncover Mewtwo's identity.

1st, BuJ, I never said there was a Mewtwo in the game. I said PROBABLY or POSSIBLE. Jumping to conclusions is scummy.
2nd, legionnare, same question, why did you said "uncover Mewtwo" identity when it is still not confirmed that Mewtwo is in the game?

I find both quotes similarly scummy so I'll leave my vote on BuJ but legionanre is an equal scum as BuJ currently.

[HotShot53]

Well the thing is... and think about this for a second... MM flipping town makes it even MORE likely that any remaining trainers are TR. We know Ash is dead, and dakky won't let us kill Gary... Based on pure speculation on legion's part we MIGHT be looking at misty and brock as town. Assuming only James is left from TR (which would be surprising giving the size of the game), that's 33% chance of hitting TR by lynching a trainer. (At worst)

And yes Hotshot, I could be wrong about you for the reasons that you stated, but it's not enough... give us a good alternate case and maybe I can reconsider. We have to lynch someone, and based on the number of kills in night 1, we really can't afford mistakes. I'll even make it easier for you.. the only people I'm comfortable switching my vote to at this moment would be samlen or legion. And right now you seem scummier.

My point about the trainers, is that you think I will claim wild pokemon, so what does what I think about trainers have anything to do with what I want people to think about me?

Coincidentally, my alternative case which I had already made was one of your possibilities, samlen. Who has now decided to bandwagon with you and OMGUS vote me, which makes me think he is scum even more. (And I had made a case on legion day 1, but he posted stuff from the WP PM, so I assumed he was a WP at the time and unvoted... although now that we know everyone had that PM, including scum, he could be worth another look also.)

[Skittles!]

Okay so I think I've figured out who Gary is (but I'm not going to mention who), and I think I understand why Dakky is going after BuJ - he was their target from Night 1. So I don't believe that BuJ is a wild Pokemon but I am willing to believe he is a Pokemon aligned to another trainer, OR a town aligned role that isn't a Pokemon, OR Mewtwo. With the latter he can claim WP but be uncatchable. I don't think he is worth pursuing right now, I think we should gather more information from some other players.

With the Mitch case, I don't know if he is dumb and cocky or just cocky. He believes he levelled up before Mandy gave the night PM's out, meaning he misread his PM, or he did actually level up. He may have a good eye for scum, and I want a more detailed post from him linking his thoughts of samlen and legionnaire. Then again he just keeps saying "you're scum" to people going after him so he may actually just be useless rn.

Nark, even if we riled at each other on day 1 I think you and I have to work together to work this out. You, along with Kwan, are the only two I believe are wild Pokemon along with myself. I don't know how to feel about nagerous, newguy, exile, ragian, strike wolf. To me, they are playing too safe.

[legionnare]

2nd, legionnare, same question, why did you said "uncover Mewtwo" identity when it is still not confirmed that Mewtwo is in the game?

@Dakky, a few things to point out to you and some questions for you;
1) The death scene for Serbia clearly states that he committed suicide (why else would he walk into the water to his death)

“That is true, we do”, said Serbia. His eyes, Poliwag noticed, had a slightly violet glow. Serbia walked pass him and started wading into the river, “Now please excuse me, I have to wash my tail.”

2) Exile has also pointed this out

I KNOW psychic is not one of the wild Pokemon types, which is why I'm suggesting it would be a special role. Read that death scene again. Suicidal mind control. Purple glow around the eyes. Sounds like psychic interference to me, and the most likely character lorewise would be Mewtwo. Again, all I'm doing is speculating on fluff.

I agree with this, there is definitely a Mewtwo out there acting as an independent faction. If you watch the pokemon film (can't remember which one) with mewtwo in it he is shown as a sentient pokemon with an intelligence that rivals or is even superior to humans. When he takes control of other pokemon in the film there is a purple glow around their eyes.

3)You seem to think that the purple glow is purple hair?

Purple glow sounds to me as purple hair of the TR hair.

See my comment above with regards to Mewtwo

So onto questions:
1)How do you think Serbia died considering his death scene?
2)Exile has also pointed out the connection to Mewtwo as well but you are not calling him out, why?
3)Why did you think that the purple glow would be purple hair after two posts (from Exile and me) stating a more likely reason?
4)You never responded to me pointing this out to you, why?
5)You also did not respond to my response (see below) to you, why?

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[dakky21]

So onto questions:
1)How do you think Serbia died considering his death scene?
2)Exile has also pointed out the connection to Mewtwo as well but you are not calling him out, why?
3)Why did you think that the purple glow would be purple hair after two posts (from Exile and me) stating a more likely reason?
4)You never responded to me pointing this out to you, why?
5)You also did not respond to my response (see below) to you, why?

1,2,3,4,5 = I am a bad player. I didn't take notice of what who said and I sticked to the last few posts.

BUT:
1 & 3 = mafia commanded Serbia to kill himself OR it was a flavor modkill OR someone controlled his action
2, 4 and 5 ... read first sentence.... didn't see Exile's post or forgot about it

And that in spoiler, I don't think there's a question for me at all. If it is, it's poorly formatted.

[Metsfanmax]

Mandy - Can you nudge Mets? Or replace if necessary? Maybe he's too busy to play.

I'm trying my best to keep up, but I'm a little behind, sorry =/

Will do my best to get back in the action no later than Friday, hopefully tomorrow.

[Ragian]

@ Ragian ... No, I did not target Tim.

So you hit someone else that was also targetted by others?

I'm interested in Samlen's vote on hotshot. What did Samlen do D1? He was on Mitch, right? Still is (but has changed to hotshot as his case on mitch gets no traction). When people say that hotshot distanced himself from fircoal, how do they think he went about that? What is it that I'm not seeing?

[legionnare]

And that in spoiler, I don't think there's a question for me at all. If it is, it's poorly formatted.

The spoiler was more wondering what you thought to my reasoning of a Mafia Charmer role?

[BuJaber]

Tala - I felt that nark answered your question though maybe not fully. Doesn't matter if they both played the say way D1. We now have more info. His behavior in light of new evidence is scummy. His behavior before the new evidence is just lacking but neutral. As for MM everybody sort of agreed that he was trainer, and it wasn't clear exactly how they fit in the game yet. I think at some point I did vote for him but then moved on because better cases came along.
If you think samlen is a better target I'm okay with going after him too. But I felt that hotshot was slightly scummier.

For the record: I just want to repeat that I'm not saying that mitch is definitely not mafia, I'm saying he started as wild. So if he's mafia right now then he was recruited. Because of that I felt (day 1) and still do that he is not the right person to go after; we need to hit James and any other TR trainers if they're in the game first. Also, since I believe mitch started as a wild pokemon, then he can also easily be killed during the night.

Dakky - If your trainer is targeted in the night.. do you absorb the hit for him? Is that how the mechanic is? Because I've been sitting on this theory and I think it's important to know.

BTW - everybody keeps saying that mandy gave scum a sample wild pokemon role PM... when did he say that? Because I was under the impression that he gave them the wild pokemon WC not the entire PM.

[dakky21]

Dakky - If your trainer is targeted in the night.. do you absorb the hit for him? Is that how the mechanic is? Because I've been sitting on this theory and I think it's important to know.

It depends. Trainer can set his pokemon in attack or defense mode, if defending then the Pokemon takes damage, if attacking then the trainer takes the damage. But if I understood it correctly, in both cases the trainer can still throw a Pokeball at someone and try to catch another Pokemon.

[nagerous]

Apologies again all it has been a busy few days but will have some more time now for playing

What did you believe about his roleclaim? As myself and then exile in the hammer pointed out it was suspicious that his claim was a rare strong pokemon that didn't evolve - it wasn't something that sat right with me and something that I feel stronger about even now. Every pokemon we've seen so far has been a starter one.

I thought leveling up and evolving were different things so I figured a pokemon without an evolution could pop up in this game. Given how fircoal and the night went, it looks like I was wrong to think that.

It does look like you are wrong, I am going to throw my hat in the ring here and vote samlen

Since then all I have seen is more pushing of the Mitch Lynch which I distrust anyone that was pushing this Lynch due to his comments showing clear signs of being a wild Pokemon and now it looks like as Dakky has said you are just bandwagoning on the new case du jour hotshot which is also an OMGUS case.

It would be interesting to hear you actually went after in the night seeing as you have you stated you didn't target Mitch because you thought you could get him lynched - something to me just seems off about these comments too.

[Anarkistsdream]

Apologies again all it has been a busy few days but will have some more time now for playing

What did you believe about his roleclaim? As myself and then exile in the hammer pointed out it was suspicious that his claim was a rare strong pokemon that didn't evolve - it wasn't something that sat right with me and something that I feel stronger about even now. Every pokemon we've seen so far has been a starter one.

I thought leveling up and evolving were different things so I figured a pokemon without an evolution could pop up in this game. Given how fircoal and the night went, it looks like I was wrong to think that.

It does look like you are wrong, I am going to throw my hat in the ring here and vote samlen

Since then all I have seen is more pushing of the Mitch Lynch which I distrust anyone that was pushing this Lynch due to his comments showing clear signs of being a wild Pokemon and now it looks like as Dakky has said you are just bandwagoning on the new case du jour hotshot which is also an OMGUS case.

It would be interesting to hear you actually went after in the night seeing as you have you stated you didn't target Mitch because you thought you could get him lynched - something to me just seems off about these comments too.

That is a very interesting point you make, Nag...

I'll go back through and reread Samlen's posts...