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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby legionnare on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:36 am

EBWOP Edits in bold and larger text = added Gary to TRAINERS list and adjusted possible number of unknown wild pokemon
legionnare wrote:So I thought I'd take a second look at the death scene to see if there were any other leads I could go after, here's my thoughts on it:

TEAM ROCKET
Jessie - Fircoal (Lynched)
James - ???
Meowth - Skoffin (killed by ???) From text it was with a whip-style attack (possibly Bulbasaur))
Giovanni? - ???

TRAINERS
Ash - Minister Masket (killed by Charmander) - Started with; Pikachu - TWO (killed by ??? (opponent was of unfavourable type so either Grass or Ground?))
Misty? - ??? - possibly starts with Staryu?
Brock? - ??? - possibly starts with Onyx?
Gary - ??? - possibly starts with Squirtle?

WILD POKEMON
Cubone - Wing (killed by Meowth) Odd that text states that he charged the crowd but may just be flavour
Vulpix - Tim (killed by ???) Text states it was the whole crowd who killed him so maybe multiple attackers?
Charmander - Serbia (killed by ???) From the text it looks like he was suicided by a psychic pokemon (probably Mewtwo)
Geodude - Aage (killed by ???) From the text it looks like it was a fire type
Poliwag - ???
+ possibly 4 - 9 more depending on whether Jessie, James, Gio?, Misty? and Brock? started with a pokemon or had to pick/capture one.

3RD PARTY
Mewtwo? - ???
Mew? -???

So this brings up a few questions to me:
1) Note that Meowth is put as "Mafia's Pokemon" rather than Jessie's or James'
2) Whereas Pikachu is put as "Ash's Pikachu" and does not have Wild Pokemon after his name like the other ones
3) Who killed Pikachu, so who had grief with TWO?
4) Who killed Geodude, so who had grief with Aage?
5) How did Tim/Vulpix die? Was it multiple attackers or was it a Mafia Hit?
6) Who killed Charmander, so who had grief with Serbia?


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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby BuJaber on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:42 am

HotShot53 wrote:I don't see what the big case on Masket is, to make him have the most votes.... it seems most people say they are voting him because of his soft claim of being a trainer... but when most trainers are probably more town aligned than scum, that doesn't make sense to me.

As for Mitch & Tim, I don't like voting them on day 1's anymore, as they always say things that most people think is a bit scummy, and it's usually an easy case for the real scum to make (I've done it myself before in prior games).

Unfortunately, even though I will unvote, I don't see anyone else worthy of a vote right now. I will re-read everyone's votes on Masket, Mitch and Tim tomorrow, because my guess is some scum are on those cases.



Hotshot is scum. Search for his posts in this game. Barely any contribution, voting for cases others have brought forth, deliberately avoided both bandwagons. He barely even mentions fircoal except to say he doesn't really see the case on him. Kinda like he doesn't want to be connected to fircoal. And finally there's the bolded part above: Why would he say that? At that point there wasn't much information in the game but that is something a trainer would say because if trainers are considered town then it is good for him. So why then if he's a trainer would he later claim wild pokemon (it may have been a soft claim but he definitely claims wild)... most logical reason would be because he's TR.

Pretty sure I unvoted already but doesn't hurt so Unvote.

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:55 am

BuJaber wrote:
HotShot53 wrote:I don't see what the big case on Masket is, to make him have the most votes.... it seems most people say they are voting him because of his soft claim of being a trainer... but when most trainers are probably more town aligned than scum, that doesn't make sense to me.

As for Mitch & Tim, I don't like voting them on day 1's anymore, as they always say things that most people think is a bit scummy, and it's usually an easy case for the real scum to make (I've done it myself before in prior games).

Unfortunately, even though I will unvote, I don't see anyone else worthy of a vote right now. I will re-read everyone's votes on Masket, Mitch and Tim tomorrow, because my guess is some scum are on those cases.



Hotshot is scum. Search for his posts in this game. Barely any contribution, voting for cases others have brought forth, deliberately avoided both bandwagons. He barely even mentions fircoal except to say he doesn't really see the case on him. Kinda like he doesn't want to be connected to fircoal. And finally there's the bolded part above: Why would he say that? At that point there wasn't much information in the game but that is something a trainer would say because if trainers are considered town then it is good for him. So why then if he's a trainer would he later claim wild pokemon (it may have been a soft claim but he definitely claims wild)... most logical reason would be because he's TR.

Pretty sure I unvoted already but doesn't hurt so Unvote.

Vote Hotshot



Wow... I went back through the game and found the same thing after you made this suggestion.

Ragian, My bad about Aage... I posted the wrong name. I meant New Guy... And I DID notice your question about Hotshot... And, as BuJaber just pointed out, looking back at it and seeing where we are now in the game, I have to agree about Hotshot... He REALLY distanced himself from the Fircoal lynch...

So, I too will VOTE HOTSHOT

By the way, one of you pieces of crap attacked me last night and I am down a HP... Very uncool. :D
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:05 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:<cut>... I have to agree about Hotshot... He REALLY distanced himself from the Fircoal lynch...


Actually, I really distanced myself from Fircoal lynch as well, remember? I was proposing mitch's lynch because Fircoal posted a lot... and I was wrong... so I can understand Hotshots reasoning.

Anarkistsdream wrote:By the way, one of you pieces of crap attacked me last night and I am down a HP... Very uncool. :D


Why would you say that? You're with one foot in the grave now. Either scum will target you tonight for a safe kill or you will survive the night meaning you're scum...
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby kwanton on Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:49 pm

dakky21 wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:<cut>... I have to agree about Hotshot... He REALLY distanced himself from the Fircoal lynch...


Actually, I really distanced myself from Fircoal lynch as well, remember? I was proposing mitch's lynch because Fircoal posted a lot... and I was wrong... so I can understand Hotshots reasoning.


Seconded. I had my vote on Mitch as well as I wasn't convinced by the Fircoal case. I think I've proven to many of you that I'm a wild Pokemon by now but I still voted wrongly on the Fircoal lynch. So I'm hesitant to jump on the cases based on yesterday's bandwagons. Honestly both cases seemed weak to many of us but people were hyper-aggressive about ending day 1 before the holidays started. In those circumstances you'll have a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagons for no real reason. Its much harder to find scum based on voting patterns when a lynch is forced like that.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:42 pm

Well, good for you guys. I was right about both scum, so far, so I feel confident that I am making wise decisions...

Dakky, thanks for your concern about my posting I got hit, but, apparently, you take everythiNG at face value, which is why you have been wrong in this game... :mrgreen:
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:28 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Dakky, thanks for your concern about my posting I got hit, but, apparently, you take everythiNG at face value, which is why you have been wrong in this game... :mrgreen:


Or you were really hit and realized the slip now when I said it. Either way, if you survive N2, you will be a good case D3...
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:33 pm

So I am read up but am too tired to really absorb much.

1. I'm still sticking by my read on mitch. Frankly everything Legionnaire mentioned sounded like things that Mitch has gotten mislynched for before. Even sounding overconfident about certain assumptions.

2. Doom is not Gary and I think Sam is unlikely to be Gary. I mention this because I doubt there is more than maybe 3 town aligned (including Gary) trainers in this game and I have a feeling it might be two. So anyone who appears like a trainer and not aligned with Dakky is fair game to accuse as team rocket right now in my eyes.

3. I'd have to reread Hotshot myself. I tend to agree with the analysis from the post gathered however the rest seems to be based on what is not quoted and I have little impression from Hotshot from Day 1.

4. Analyzing who killed TWO is probably a waste. TR had already made one kill so chances are the pokemon attacking two was a WP, especially with scene flavor. We'd be better off examining who might have an issue with Serbia and/or Aage for who might be MewTwo.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Talapus on Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:37 pm

BuJaber wrote:
HotShot53 wrote:I don't see what the big case on Masket is, to make him have the most votes.... it seems most people say they are voting him because of his soft claim of being a trainer... but when most trainers are probably more town aligned than scum, that doesn't make sense to me.

As for Mitch & Tim, I don't like voting them on day 1's anymore, as they always say things that most people think is a bit scummy, and it's usually an easy case for the real scum to make (I've done it myself before in prior games).

Unfortunately, even though I will unvote, I don't see anyone else worthy of a vote right now. I will re-read everyone's votes on Masket, Mitch and Tim tomorrow, because my guess is some scum are on those cases.



Why would he say that? At that point there wasn't much information in the game but that is something a trainer would say because if trainers are considered town then it is good for him.




First off, and certainly not defending Hotshot....but that was pretty much my thinking behind a lot of the issues I had with MM. I find it interesting it offends you here someone thinking like this yet you didn't seem to really care day one with MM. Than to discover he was just Ash was a huge kick to the collective balls of this game. So I will say that based on the track record so far with this line of thought...not necessarily scum trainer.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Talapus on Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:51 pm

Well, I was hoping my night action would shed light on what the hell happened last night but I'm still at a loss. Kwanton pretty much came out and claimed Bulbasaur as it sounds like that is what killed Skoffin but they were my target for attack as well I I gained experience so no idea how the heck that happened if some other pokemon with what sounds like whips finished her off...as everything I have searched online does not state that is a power I have...sooooo confused.

Regardless, just caught up reading and for now I can honestly say I pretty much have a zero read on Hotshot but will look back through day 1 and decide. I just refuse to use Bu's line of logic and trainers to jump the gun as I did that with MM and apparently got it really wrong.

With Skoffin and MM though gone and roles stated the only other one I remember interesting me was skittles! so will look into that as well tonight or tomorrow morning and decide between him or Hotshot.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:17 pm

The one thing I don't understand is - posting for the sake of posting. So you can see here an example... Talapus "will look into it tonight or tomorrow"... Ragian said similar multiple times... a lot of other people said it multiple times.... The rule was one post per 48h but Talapus for example has last post in less than 48h.

Why you people do that, why don't you write a whole post when you think you should instead of writing posts "just to be here" and "just that people notice you're posting"?

I think we should look at those cases as well.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby HotShot53 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:26 pm

BuJaber wrote:
HotShot53 wrote:I don't see what the big case on Masket is, to make him have the most votes.... it seems most people say they are voting him because of his soft claim of being a trainer... but when most trainers are probably more town aligned than scum, that doesn't make sense to me.

As for Mitch & Tim, I don't like voting them on day 1's anymore, as they always say things that most people think is a bit scummy, and it's usually an easy case for the real scum to make (I've done it myself before in prior games).

Unfortunately, even though I will unvote, I don't see anyone else worthy of a vote right now. I will re-read everyone's votes on Masket, Mitch and Tim tomorrow, because my guess is some scum are on those cases.



Hotshot is scum. Search for his posts in this game. Barely any contribution, voting for cases others have brought forth, deliberately avoided both bandwagons. He barely even mentions fircoal except to say he doesn't really see the case on him. Kinda like he doesn't want to be connected to fircoal. And finally there's the bolded part above: Why would he say that? At that point there wasn't much information in the game but that is something a trainer would say because if trainers are considered town then it is good for him. So why then if he's a trainer would he later claim wild pokemon (it may have been a soft claim but he definitely claims wild)... most logical reason would be because he's TR.

Pretty sure I unvoted already but doesn't hurt so Unvote.

Vote Hotshot


So... in one breath I vote for cases others have brought forth, but avoid the bandwagons? I have to disagree with the only voting for cases others have brought forth though... on day 1 I tried to start a case on Legionnare, and today I started a case on samlen.

And I admit that I, along with half the population, probably including some of the voters who just wanted to end the day already, didn't see the case on fircoal; it seemed like a day 1 case built mostly on "lets get this day over already" to me... turns out we got lucky for once though, and I was wrong.

I'm not sure what your problem is with me saying most trainers are townish... with Masket's flip I think that's more clear than ever that's how things are. And since you don't think I'm going to claim trainer anyway, that kind of ruins your whole argument that I want trainers to look good because I am one...
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby BuJaber on Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:33 pm

Well the thing is... and think about this for a second... MM flipping town makes it even MORE likely that any remaining trainers are TR. We know Ash is dead, and dakky won't let us kill Gary... Based on pure speculation on legion's part we MIGHT be looking at misty and brock as town. Assuming only James is left from TR (which would be surprising giving the size of the game), that's 33% chance of hitting TR by lynching a trainer. (At worst)

And yes Hotshot, I could be wrong about you for the reasons that you stated, but it's not enough... give us a good alternate case and maybe I can reconsider. We have to lynch someone, and based on the number of kills in night 1, we really can't afford mistakes. I'll even make it easier for you.. the only people I'm comfortable switching my vote to at this moment would be samlen or legion. And right now you seem scummier.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:09 pm

BuJaber wrote:Well the thing is... and think about this for a second... MM flipping town makes it even MORE likely that any remaining trainers are TR. We know Ash is dead, and dakky won't let us kill Gary... Based on pure speculation on legion's part we MIGHT be looking at misty and brock as town. Assuming only James is left from TR (which would be surprising giving the size of the game), that's 33% chance of hitting TR by lynching a trainer. (At worst)

And yes Hotshot, I could be wrong about you for the reasons that you stated, but it's not enough... give us a good alternate case and maybe I can reconsider. We have to lynch someone, and based on the number of kills in night 1, we really can't afford mistakes. I'll even make it easier for you.. the only people I'm comfortable switching my vote to at this moment would be samlen or legion. And right now you seem scummier.


I know I may be boring... but the bolded and underlined parts above are classic scum tells, first "they" know Ash is dead and "they" know I won't tell who Gary is so "they" can't kill him... then... GIVE THEM a good alternate case... (just a question, why don't you make your own case BuJaber after you failed with a case on me?) .. and then THEY have to lynch someone. Yes. THEY. I could be wrong from N0 about BuJ but this time I think... he is scum for real.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:14 pm

BuJaber wrote:and dakky won't let us kill Gary


I mean, this is the best scum tell ever. I won't let you kill Gary who is town aligned trainer? I don't know what else has to be said at this moment to prove that you're scum.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Skittles! on Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:43 pm

dakky21 wrote:The one thing I don't understand is - posting for the sake of posting. So you can see here an example... Talapus "will look into it tonight or tomorrow"... Ragian said similar multiple times... a lot of other people said it multiple times.... The rule was one post per 48h but Talapus for example has last post in less than 48h.

Why you people do that, why don't you write a whole post when you think you should instead of writing posts "just to be here" and "just that people notice you're posting"?

I think we should look at those cases as well.

I think it's just so people will recognise that they are trying to keep up to date with the game, and that they have not got all their thoughts together to make a more meaningful post. While it could be classified as a scum tell, I really don't think it is as it is straight after the Christmas period and between New Years. That's generally a busy period here in australia, though I'm not so sure about other countries or cultures.

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BuJaber wrote:and dakky won't let us kill Gary


I mean, this is the best scum tell ever. I won't let you kill Gary who is town aligned trainer? I don't know what else has to be said at this moment to prove that you're scum.

Here I'm not so sure about how we, as survivors or the closest thing to town we can get in this game, are to believe that Gary is town. If your WC was to eliminate Ash's team, who I believe would be the closest town trainer we will get, then that would not make you town aligned. If the goal was to eliminate all other trainers, as well as to eliminate team rocket, then that doesn't 100% line up with wild Pokemon WC.

Moving on, I don't think we should be going after trainers still. Like I mentioned a few pages ago, we should be going after James and Giovanni. Someone (on phone so can not so readily check) said that Meowth was Jesse or James Pokemon, however in the anime he is a talking Pokemon who tends to think the most out of the three. I think he doesn't have a trainer in the game to reflect this. OFC he is dead now so maybe doesn't mean anything. To further speculate, Jesse and James Pokemon in the anime were Ekans and Koffing, respectively. Does this mean that it adds another 2 Pokemon for Team rocket, meaning there is still 4 or 5 TR in the game? I don't know, but I think it's something we should keep in mind.

Another thing that Dakky was confused about was why Gary's catching failed during the night and the wording that Mandy gave back to them. I think there could be a number of reasons behind this. 1) That person is a trainer, and you can't catch trainers. 2) that person is a Pokemon aligned to another trainer, therefore you cannot catch them. 3) that person is a doctor or investigator. 4) that person is Team Rocket. I don't think it would be a bad idea to find out who this person is as there is only a 25% chance it will hinder town/wild Pokemon.

Lastly, there's a few of you who keep questioning my performance in this game and not acting like a wild Pokemon. I'm not 100% sure what you think a townie/survivor should act like in a theme like this. I've been flavour speculating the whole game, trying to put out ideas that can lead to possible lynchers and make it clear the possible characters in this game. As someone who has no connection to any other player, I don't know why this is a bad thing as my goal is to get rid of Team Rocket. I don't really care about the trainers trying to get rid of each other, that's not in my win condition.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Skittles! on Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:46 pm

dakky21 wrote:I know I may be boring... but the bolded and underlined parts above are classic scum tells, first "they" know Ash is dead and "they" know I won't tell who Gary is so "they" can't kill him... then... GIVE THEM a good alternate case... (just a question, why don't you make your own case BuJaber after you failed with a case on me?) .. and then THEY have to lynch someone. Yes. THEY. I could be wrong from N0 about BuJ but this time I think... he is scum for real.


I actually agree with this. Either BuJ is a trainer or he is Team Rocket. The whole game he has been trying to get information from other people, trying to get a read on them. FOS BuJ
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:11 pm

Skittles! wrote:Another thing that Dakky was confused about was why Gary's catching failed during the night and the wording that Mandy gave back to them. I think there could be a number of reasons behind this. 1) That person is a trainer, and you can't catch trainers. 2) that person is a Pokemon aligned to another trainer, therefore you cannot catch them. 3) that person is a doctor or investigator. 4) that person is Team Rocket. I don't think it would be a bad idea to find out who this person is as there is only a 25% chance it will hinder town/wild Pokemon.


The thing I am confused about is ... role PM said one thing, result said another thing. IF the role was written wrong, then everything about this should be discarded... but IF the role was written right, then we hit a trainer and that means something. I agree we shouldn't be after trainers, but how much "town" trainers you think there are? Me thinks few, 2, 3 or 4 at best. But there also "mafia" trainers so hitting a trainer isn't a small thing. At least people should know who we hit and that it failed because one of your reasons.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Skittles! on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:18 pm

dakky21 wrote:The thing I am confused about is ... role PM said one thing, result said another thing. IF the role was written wrong, then everything about this should be discarded... but IF the role was written right, then we hit a trainer and that means something. I agree we shouldn't be after trainers, but how much "town" trainers you think there are? Me thinks few, 2, 3 or 4 at best. But there also "mafia" trainers so hitting a trainer isn't a small thing. At least people should know who we hit and that it failed because one of your reasons.

I think there would be 3 left, with Ash gone. Misty, Brock, and Gary. They were the main trainers throughout Indigo League, but there would also be James, Giovanni. Remembering Day 1 and what Fircoal said, I think he confirmed Giovanni's existence (let me double check when I get home). So a total 5 trainers left, but let's also say that James is also a Charmer. So maybe 4. This is all speculation of course, I could be very wrong.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Talapus on Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:38 am

BuJaber wrote:Well the thing is... and think about this for a second... MM flipping town makes it even MORE likely that any remaining trainers are TR.


Bullshit...we lost Ash, they lost Jessie. Statistically speaking each side is down one trainer. I am still curious though as to why what Hotshot did day one is so much more relevant than MM doing the exact same thing and you having zero problem with it. Please explain.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Talapus on Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:55 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:

Wow... I went back through the game and found the same thing after you made this suggestion.

Ragian, My bad about Aage... I posted the wrong name. I meant New Guy... And I DID notice your question about Hotshot... And, as BuJaber just pointed out, looking back at it and seeing where we are now in the game, I have to agree about Hotshot... He REALLY distanced himself from the Fircoal lynch...

So, I too will VOTE HOTSHOT

By the way, one of you pieces of crap attacked me last night and I am down a HP... Very uncool. :D



Well after wasting a god damn 20 minutes looking back through all his posts I am truly regretting not just believing your assessment and going with it...lol. Not much there and I wasted the time trying to really see all I may have missed but after rereading I can see why I got zero read on him day one.
For now I have zero problem FOS'ing him as there was some distance put between him and Fircoal but in all honesty I think several players had some issues or not enough info to truly get behind that lynch so not sure it is enough. I was thinking this was where I would look to find my next target but it is hard to gauge whether or not people voted or didn't vote for him based on evidence or lack there of.

Going back through skittles! stuff and my god the dude likes to talk and speculate(No offense skittles! lol) But still not really seeing a smoking gun or anything so will continue to work on it I guess. However always open to listening to other alternatives. Obviously I am currently in disagreement with Bu's assessment and there seem to be some other fairly large leaps in logic going on so far by a few so hopefully we can clear it up before making an fairly universal decision.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - NIGHT 1 send your choice

Postby mandalorian2298 on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:04 am

Vote Count

Samlen (1) - Hotshot

BuJaber (1) - dakky

Mitch (1) - legionnare, Exile

Exile (1) - DoomYoshi

legionnare (1) - Mitch

Hotshot (2) - BuJaber, Anark


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The first post's LIVE/DEAD lists have been updated.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:45 am

The thing is Masket played identically to skoffin, so I'm not sure "town" trainer is the right term. No matter what the role says, MM was scum through and through.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Ragian on Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:24 am

legionnare wrote:
Ragian wrote:@Legion, why are you voting Mitch? If you were to break it down into a sentence or two?

@Ragian, below are 3 quotes that generally outline my reason for voting Mitch. First two are from D1 third is from D2.
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TL:DR = Early fishing attempt + bandwagoning + possible slip from him suggesting he got a response email about his night action before the mod came out and said that only those who had results that would affect day would get an email.

Cheers. Was just wondering if something had escaped me. I still don't feel for the mitch case...

And if you don't get the flavour bit about Tim, perhaps ask dakky. If what he says about his experience points indicating that others hit his target too is real, it seems only logical to deduce that dakky attacked Tim. How do you plead, dakky?
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 2

Postby Anarkistsdream on Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:07 am

DoomYoshi wrote:The thing is Masket played identically to skoffin, so I'm not sure "town" trainer is the right term. No matter what the role says, MM was scum through and through.



Why do people keep bringing this up??? First, I disagree that they played "identically," and second, so the f*ck what??? Why does it matter how two dead players played!!! If you were comparing to a player who is alive, it may mean something, though I still doubt it...

I said from the minute I voted Fircoal that Skoffin was a scum buddy... None of you believed me or Wing. Just because YOU didn't get it doesn't mean a thing!


Next, Dakky, if your Trainer's "recruitment" failed, I really think we should know who the target was... I don't care if a bunch of you think that is scummy. This game is going to be over after tonight pretty much no matter what... We lost HOW many people after the first night, and now we know several of the remaining players are injured... Honestly, if we don't hit scum with this lynch, I think the majority of "town" will be wiped out by this next morning...
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