Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[strike wolf]

For the record, I would put New Guy and Mets as likely town or at the least unlikely Team Rocket. Mets has done some other things that make me think he is town but to be relatively brief both Mets and New Guy voted Chu at a time when the votes were tied before that (Mets technically should be the vote before mine in chronological order) and it looked likely that whoever got an edge in votes first would be propelled towards the lynch. If Mitch was town and Chu scum they almost definitely wouldn't have voted for Chu at that point. If I am wrong and Mitch is scum than its still unlikely that they would have voted for the more useful scum member.

Disregarding the votes of the dead, where Tal Nag and Buj votes are the likely spots for scum to be on the wagon imo (though I would not dismiss Exile as possibly hammering for town cred). Nag had a rough start but his posts have improved in quality as the game has become more serious plus Chu tried to start a serious case on him to save his own skin so I believe he is town at this point. Tal and Buj voted late on the wagon at a point where (unless i am remember incorrec tly) chu had a two vote advantage over mitch and his lynch was little better than inevitable so it is a relatively easy spot to jump on to gain town credit. However I dont remember either one doing anything particularly scummy unless you count Buj's insistence on Dakky despite no counter claim abouto being Gary's pokemon which is a weak argument.

Based on Dakky being the fourth vote on Mitch it is possible if not likely that Gary could be one of the first three to vote Mitch and Dakky was following their lead. However, I would have to double check but I think dakky actually originally voted Mitch before one of them but had unvoted and later put his vote back on Mitch. Of course considering that I still believe Kwan, the first three also seems likely to include the scum voters on Mitch's wagon.

[Anarkistsdream]

I have been busy... Will not be able to post until tomorrw. Merry xmas!

[dakky21]

Dakky, TWO didn't die because his trainer died. "His opponent landed the finishing blow". So are you claiming that Mandy told you after you got recruited that you will die if your trainer dies? Because I don't know where else you got it from, and you're saying that's one of things that makes me a scummy skimmer, so please help me out.

I can assure you that TWO died because Masket died. You have to put that "finishing blow" into context. Masket as Ash thrown a ball and tried to catch another pokemon, while he commanded his Pikachu to fight someone. While his Pikachu could maybe win, someone else targeted Masket and that's why they both died. After all, Mandy did said in the same paragraph (“Strike now, Master! Our moment is come!” “Master?”) which sounds like Pika is asking for his master and gets no response and in that very moment his opponent kills him (imagine turning back on your opponent in the middle of the fight asking for support from someone who is already dead - you get killed as well).

[legionnare]

So a couple of folk seem to think I'm scummy for having put my vote on Mitch in D1, even though I stated my case for it early and kept my vote on him to the last because I never seen anything that convinced me otherwise. His first in D2 has convinced me further that he is not what he says he is:

First of all Merry Christmas to all and I hope you all have a safe and wonderful holiday. Now I can hardly believe that I made it to today . So it looks like so far we lost 5 of my wild pokemon brothers and 1 trainer and his pokemon but at least we got rid of two scum. I also got stronger over night but that don't make me any smarter because I have not made my mind up who to go after next.

How do you know you got stronger overnight? I haven't received the result of my night action and considering the mod-post below only those whose results effect day action received results:

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Dear guys.

Firstly, I apologize for not posting this sooner.

I had some RL stuff to take care off and hopefully they have been. Normal modding will resume on Tuesday 27.12., when I'll be sending you your Night Action results. Sorry for the inconvinience.

P.S. I have already sent you all the results that are necessary for your Day stage play. The only thing left to send relate to Exp gained and some minor fluff.

So I ask you Mitch, how do you know you got stronger if the Mod hasn't sent results relating to EXP gained?

I'm not going to ask who got results back as the only ones who would have are those who are something other than wild pokemon. Mitch is either lying about getting stronger or he received a result mail which would mean he is not a wild pokemon.

vote Mitch

P.S. Merry Christmas everyone!

[dakky21]

So I ask you Mitch, how do you know you got stronger if the Mod hasn't sent results relating to EXP gained?

I'm not going to ask who got results back as the only ones who would have are those who are something other than wild pokemon. Mitch is either lying about getting stronger or he received a result mail which would mean he is not a wild pokemon.

Actually, if he is a wild pokemon but got recruited by a trainer and if trainer targeted someone with him, I guess he would get the results if he won the fight or if he didn't. That's sort of necessary for Day stage play. Knowing that he won the fight and/or killed an opponent would give him XP, without Mandy sending it out. So I don't agree he is not a wild pokemon, rather a recruited one.

[DoomYoshi]

Dakky is one of the best players at reading mitch. I am (up to this game) batting 100% at reading mitch. Something is off with him this game. It is possible he is actively trying to change his meta, but I still don't get a town feel from him. I am pretty sure I can trust dakky's read but I am also pretty sure I can't trust dakky's alignment which leaves me in game of internal WIFOM. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited. I am assuming dakky and trainer have night talk so that dakky knows he hasn't been recruited by Gary which leaves (according to dakky) exile and mitch as scum; which would mean my day 1 read was wrong . However, I am reading the level up comment totally different from you dakky. I think he is claiming level-up and assuming that his NK connected as he is reading himself in the description or at least his target died. I am going to go back and read the scene and see if I can find mention of Bulbasaur.

nagerous, why are you trying to defend skittles, did you recruit him last night?

strike, here's some food for thought for you:

Obviously, the game being filled with survivors made it really easy for scum. Survivors need to survive. And they do so by lurking and being forgotten. They don't need to check the thread and cast votes. Even before LYLO we had no players willing to form a majority, there were too many 3rd-parties that were needed to get things going.

unvote

[DoomYoshi]

Bulbasaur has vine whip. All the internal evidence checks out.

vote exile

[The1exile]

I KNOW psychic is not one of the wild Pokemon types, which is why I'm suggesting it would be a special role. Read that death scene again. Suicidal mind control. Purple glow around the eyes. Sounds like psychic interference to me, and the most likely character lorewise would be Mewtwo. Again, all I'm doing is speculating on fluff.

As to Mitch's claim of getting stronger. I don't mind admitting I attacked someone and would have got xp for doing so. However, I haven't been told that I got powerful and I don't know what the levelling points are - Mandy didn't tell me - while if you check the death scene, Meowth is described as a level 2 Pokemon. So if he is indeed a stronger Pokemon, the probability suggests he could be Rocket... except rocket's Pokemon are poison types, so I don't think he actually is. I think he might be James.

[dakky21]

Purple glow sounds to me as purple hair of the TR hair.

BTW, more speculating about game setup:
I believe each trainer has been assigned with one pokemon, AND I think that if trainer is killed/lynched, all of their pokemons die.
The order of the actions is important.....
I think Skoffin was Fircoal's pokemon (Meowth) and I also believe Skoffin was ordered to attack another pokemon, probably Wing as the scene says. So Wing got dead, and then the lynch happened, rendering Skoffin dead as well.

Exile, all wild pokemons received a message about leveling, so either you aren't a wild pokemon or you skimmed through it...

[legionnare]

I KNOW psychic is not one of the wild Pokemon types, which is why I'm suggesting it would be a special role. Read that death scene again. Suicidal mind control. Purple glow around the eyes. Sounds like psychic interference to me, and the most likely character lorewise would be Mewtwo. Again, all I'm doing is speculating on fluff.

I agree with this, there is definitely a Mewtwo out there acting as an independent faction. If you watch the pokemon film (can't remember which one) with mewtwo in it he is shown as a sentient pokemon with an intelligence that rivals or is even superior to humans. When he takes control of other pokemon in the film there is a purple glow around their eyes.

[legionnare]

Purple glow sounds to me as purple hair of the TR hair.

See my comment above with regards to Mewtwo

Exile, all wild pokemons received a message about leveling, so either you aren't a wild pokemon or you skimmed through it...

All wild pokemon received a message about how levelling in their role PM but, as the MOD posted, non-day reliant info has not been sent (for instance EXP gained and levelling).

[kwanton]

. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited.

Wait what? Where? I must have missed this.

[DoomYoshi]

. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited.

Wait what? Where? I must have missed this.

Hur dur dur. Follow along. He has said twice (maybe thrice) that he thinks Gary's pokemon is water type (meaning Squirtle). Gary had (according to dakky) a choice of Pokemon. Charmander is already dead. Mitch would have no deduction about it unless he was a)recruited by Gary which seems unlikely or b)one of the 3 starter pokemon.

[dakky21]

. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited.

Wait what? Where? I must have missed this.

Hur dur dur. Follow along. He has said twice (maybe thrice) that he thinks Gary's pokemon is water type (meaning Squirtle). Gary had (according to dakky) a choice of Pokemon. Charmander is already dead. Mitch would have no deduction about it unless he was a)recruited by Gary which seems unlikely or b)one of the 3 starter pokemon.

I can confirm he isn't recruited by Gary, and I think he never said he was Bulbasaur or at least search doesn't find his Bulbasaur post. And mitch deducting something is space shuttle technology, NHF mitch... so it looks like you know mitch is bubly and now trying to get away with it. Doesn't mean you're scum though, but better admit than be lynched for the slip...

[kwanton]

. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited.

Wait what? Where? I must have missed this.

Hur dur dur. Follow along. He has said twice (maybe thrice) that he thinks Gary's pokemon is water type (meaning Squirtle). Gary had (according to dakky) a choice of Pokemon. Charmander is already dead. Mitch would have no deduction about it unless he was a)recruited by Gary which seems unlikely or b)one of the 3 starter pokemon.

Except we established a while ago that trainers got to recruit from a list of ALL wild Pokémon, not just the starting 3 from the show. This was something which was made super obvious in dakky's claim, so why don't YOU follow along? Unless you have some other info beside this ridiculous leap in logic.

[new guy1]

THIS IS AN OLD PORTION: You don’t necessarily have to read it, it’s outdated, but I figured it would be better posted for you all to choose whether you wanted to read it or not. Giving it context, it was after MM called me out on voting him for softclaiming trainer, my reason for voting him. Note I would have revoted/not removed my vote (depending on when I could have posted, which didn’t happen) when he claimed Lapras, as the first sighting in the series of that pokemon is Orange Islands, the season after Indigo league. I didn’t feel it fit with flavor:

There is a difference between forgetting and skimming. This is an example of the former. I have always gotten you and MM confused (I have no idea why) and something like this happened in the last game we played together, though I don’t recall the name of that game, where I confused information about you two (MM is the one who softclaimed trainer, sorry). Seeing as though my vote was based on Fircoal being a suspected trainer, and that wasn’t actually the case, I will unvote. With that reasoning shot down...

END OLD POST: D2 thoughts

I am wondering why Fircoal tried to claim a pokemon. It could have been because of having the template, and it could have been because there were more pokemon claims than trainers, but I would have thought if trainers were a safe claim, then it would be less likely counter claimed (due to how many WP there seemed to be coming out), or at least it wouldn’t have stood so far out and so would make for a better fake claim. The only case where this wouldn’t be true is if they have information that a trainer role isn’t a safe claim to make in the long run. Just makes me wonder if the trainers are on the same side as the WP.

On Mewtwo’s possible presence. I agree that a purple glow is present with psychic control, including Mewtwo’s. I missed that mention in my read through of the scene, and I don’t really have speculation on if Mewtwo is in the game, though it fits flavor wise as the movie’s setting was based during Indigo League.

I don’t know why Skittles would want to hint that he has been hit by two people, it makes him seem vulnerable for the next night, though to each his own I guess. With Kwan’s post about being able to kill trainers while being a pokemon and interact vice versa, it would seem this would only harm him. His mention of Bill also seems off, as I don’t know what a role would be to counter balance Bill (all claims are suicidal), and so it would seem like a far-fetched (thats a pun, for those of you who haven’t watched the series) idea that he would be in the game.

I would say that Doomyoshi’s assumption about Bulbasaur being in the game is correct, though I don’t know that mitch is Bulbasaur. Ash catches all those pokemon in the series, they are in fact the starter pokemon, and where there is one (there has been), I would expect them all to show up (because they’re kind of the go-to pokemon when you talk about season one beginning pokemon). Overall, I would say skittles could get my vote based on his play not really fitting the category of a pokemon/trainer that wants to live, which rubs me wrong. Sure he might have leveled up, but would he want to risk more coming for him if he wasn’t confident he would live? Doom feels a little bit off to me, but that could just be rust from a year or two ago when I played in games with him. I will hold off on voting for now, though leaning towards skittles as a candidate for the above reasons.

I will end this post here, since it’s already a wall. I hope everyone has/had a Merry Christmas.

[dakky21]

Just makes me wonder if the trainers are on the same side as the WP.

They are, with one change... if WP's are recruited, then some more win conditions apply. WP's can win on their own just by eliminating TR, while in team with a trainer, they need to beat Ash and his pokemon (beaten), TR. and a mystery pokemon, probably Mewtwo. Of course, don't forget that TEAM R also has trainers.

I think Yoshi isn't what he says he is (or/and did he say what he is?) and I'll have a full case tomorrow.

[DoomYoshi]

. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited.

Wait what? Where? I must have missed this.

Hur dur dur. Follow along. He has said twice (maybe thrice) that he thinks Gary's pokemon is water type (meaning Squirtle). Gary had (according to dakky) a choice of Pokemon. Charmander is already dead. Mitch would have no deduction about it unless he was a)recruited by Gary which seems unlikely or b)one of the 3 starter pokemon.

Except we established a while ago that trainers got to recruit from a list of ALL wild Pokémon, not just the starting 3 from the show. This was something which was made super obvious in dakky's claim, so why don't YOU follow along? Unless you have some other info beside this ridiculous leap in logic.

How did we establish this?

[DoomYoshi]

Actually, I was claimed before D1 officially started, during the confirm phase. I already confirmed and then was notified of a plot twist. My trainer had to choose one Pokemon from the list while not knowing who is playing behind it. That's how I got chosen, I guess it could have been any of the other wild ones. And I'm pretty sure there other trainers and other claimed pokemons just not wanting to reveal that fact.

Here is dakky's role claim. It says the list, not necessarily the entire list. A list can just as easily be a subset. He says he "guesses" it could have been any. How is that actually clear and established fact?

Anyways, can you offer any other explanation for why mitch has brought up dakky being Squirtle not once but twice? What the hell does that have to do with anything otherwise?

[DoomYoshi]

After the reread he only mentioned it once.

[kwanton]

Ok maybe dakky's claim was wishy washy but it heavily implies more than just the traditional 3 starter Pokémon.

Regardless, this made me realize something. Pikachu was ash's Pokémon. Pikachu isn't one of the 3 original starters and only given to ash because of plot. So that means (if dakky's was truthful) trainers either got a list of 4 wild Pokémon to choose from or all wild Pokémon. It could not have just been the starting 3.

OR

Ash was given Pikachu. Either dakky was lying about his claim and trainers were given their Pokémon, or Gary was the only trainer who got to choose his starter. Gary being the only one to choose fits in with the cartoon plot.

On another topic I'm 100% with the theory that mewtwo (or another psychic pokemon) is an SK. Flavor from scene supports this. If it is mewtwo then I'd guess gio is in this too since their stories are so intertwined in the show.

[DoomYoshi]

Your second option is aligned with my current thought.

In a preemptive defense against dakky - I know it seems that I am able to deduce a lot about this game but you must remember, I have ran a very similar setup before and I have hosted 3 Pokemon games and gotten feedback on all of them for other ideas to try. I have spent 5 years planning these games and running a game every 2 years. I even said once:

(I am considering the series my opus).

So it's not like I'm some spring chicken on the flavor/mechanics speculation. Hence my FOS on Fircoal, since he is the only one more soaked in Pokemon/mafia than I.

[Skittles!]

Skittles brought up Bill because he is trying to set up possible fake claims.

vote Jessie/Skittles

I know you unvoted but a few people have brought up my mention of Bill so I want to address it. I was just thinking about possible characters that Mandy could have included, and I was possibly over thinking the importance of Bill in the anime because I was an avid player of Pokemon Red and one of the more important aspects of the game was based on Bills research (Bill's PC, depositing and withdrawing Pokemon.) I had forgotten that he only had 1 appearance in the show and it wasn't as important than I had thought.

@newguy1, my sentence about possibly being hit by 2 people was a joke, I don't know if anyone went after me but I thought they may have. Obviously nothing happened because I'm still here, maybe those two people either didn't do their actions or they thought there was bigger fish to fry.

. Onto mitch's actual posts, I think he has claimed Bulbasaur, which would make him initially wild and possibly recruited.

Wait what? Where? I must have missed this.

Hur dur dur. Follow along. He has said twice (maybe thrice) that he thinks Gary's pokemon is water type (meaning Squirtle). Gary had (according to dakky) a choice of Pokemon. Charmander is already dead. Mitch would have no deduction about it unless he was a)recruited by Gary which seems unlikely or b)one of the 3 starter pokemon.

You're right, except unless we are trainers we don't know how their mechanics 100% work and I feel like those who have been recruited (Dakky) don't know either. Either it was a choice of the starter Pokemon, or from all the wild Pokemon. A google search will say that Dakky is Squirtle, because that was Gary's Pokemon. With Ash having Pikachu is a given, but if the trainers get to choose from all the wild Pokemon in this game then it can be any.

Moving on, I agree that Mewtwo would be in the game and going by the intro post to day 1, would be the SK that are targeting Trainers.

Sorry about lack of posts, still with family for the Christmas period.

[BuJaber]

Just makes me wonder if the trainers are on the same side as the WP.

They are, with one change... if WP's are recruited, then some more win conditions apply. WP's can win on their own just by eliminating TR, while in team with a trainer, they need to beat Ash and his pokemon (beaten), TR. and a mystery pokemon, probably Mewtwo. Of course, don't forget that TEAM R also has trainers.

I think Yoshi isn't what he says he is (or/and did he say what he is?) and I'll have a full case tomorrow.

Yoshi/Ragian/New guy -- Please comment on this post.. Is that WC believable?

[dakky21]

Yoshi/Ragian/New guy -- Please comment on this post.. Is that WC believable?

I still don't get you. Why do you constantly ask for others thoughts instead of writing your own? Do YOU think is it believable is more important!