[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[Metsfanmax]

Role clarification: is it possible that the cult recruiter role gets passed on in the event of the first one dying?

[Commander9]

Role clarification: is it possible that the cult recruiter role gets passed on in the event of the first one dying?

I have never seen that... And that would be an extremely dickish thing to do. Highly unlikely.

I've also went through earlier Rodion's posts and haven't found any such secret messages, so it's quite likely that he was that last recruit. (Which would make a lot of sense).

[pancakemix]

Unvote

If Jim is as experienced as he claims he is, his immediate jump to vote commander seems like a cult trying to play the part of townie wanting to win. Jumping to no lynch makes no sense unless he wanted to speedlynch. Since no one else went along, I think that implicates him for sure. That, and his refusal to claim.

Without AoG's role, though, we run into a stall. Unless we can determine who is "special", we're stuck. If we're going the safari route, though, I agree squirrel should hammer.

[safariguy5]

People alive:

# Metsfanmax - roleblocker.
# Jimfinn - no claim, cult.
# commander9 - King Achilles
# Rodion - cult.
# Mr. Squirrel - PROBABLY town.
# safariguy5 - cult.
# Army of God - PROBABLY cult
# Pancakemix - busdriver.
# jeraado - town hunter

I'm around 90% sure that me, Mets, Pancake and Jeraado are pro-town as of now. Mr. Squirrel looks like pro-town, but he's good enough to fake it. Until AoG gets replaced, we really can't do much.

WE have 3 confirmed culties:

Safari
Rodion
Jimfinn

I am quite sure that Rodion is *not* the recruiter and I do doubt that Fin is - thus, I highly suggest we go for Safari. His bomb claim, especially at a situation like this, is a very big turn down, but I'm willing to test it. Should Safari would actually be bomb, I am sure he's a cult bomb, so we should still get a shot. Mr. Squirrel, since he's basically a VT now should be the one who is hammering. This, however, should wait, as I want to get AoG replaced first.

Cult coming out to actually try to negotiate shows that they are weak, in a way even pathetic (they beg someone to join) and while this game is not over, town still has a shot.

I would like to note that I voluntarily claimed after Mets did. I knew that my claim would look suspicious, but I'm telling the truth. I have no reason to lie.

[Mr. Squirrel]

If we're going the safari route, though, I agree squirrel should hammer.

Geez, you guys are so kind

Let's wait until AoG can get replaced. Its possible that he would make a better candidate for the hammer (he might be bulletproof or something).

Now that I'm thinking about it, it might be best to use the DK. No, I'm not trying to get commander killed (although the cult would definitely like that), but it might put the odds farther in the town's favor. This is how I'm thinking it will turn out:

Option 1- Commander DKs Safariguy and he is the cult bomb and we lose commander. In this scenario, the town/scum ratio is at 4-3 and we are one recruiter candidate down. In this case we still will have a lynch and we can lynch the other recruiter candidate. If we hit correctly, then the ratio is 4-2 with no recruiter. Even if we miss (again), we will still kill off another cultie leaving the ratio at 4-2. With the smaller player count, pcm and mets will have a much much higher chance of blocking and the town will proceed to day 6 with another 4-2 ratio. At this point I have confidence that we could lynch the recruiter or another cultie (rodion ) making it 4-1. Now, the blockers are almost guaranteed success and we move onto day 7 and lynch our recruiter.

Option 2- Commander DKs safariguy and he is the recruiter. In this case we are on our way to victory. We lynch/DK all remaining cult and win

Option 3- Commander DKs Safariguy and he is Cult other. In this case, the cult is down to 3 members and we get another lynch for today to try to still hit the recruiter

Option 4- Commander DKs Safariguy and he is a town bomb. In this case we will be down two townies and cult will automatically win.
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Option 5- I hammer Safariguy and he is the recruiter. This again will lead town to victory.

Option 6- I hammer Safariguy and he is the cult bomb. Ratio of town to cult will be 4-3 and will will have to hope that we get lucky with the night actions

Option 7- I hammer safariguy and he is a town bomb. Town immediately loses

Option 8- I hammer safariguy and he is cult other. This will bring us to a 5-3 ratio where we will have to hope we are lucky with the night actions. If we aren't lucky, commander will have to kill right to give us any chance of winning.





Essentially, all blue options are beneficial to town. All orange options are beneficial to cult. Essentially, making use of our two kills proves far more beneficial than just using the lynch (increasing our odds from 50% to 75% victory). If we just lynch, then chances are commander will have to make a correct kill tomorrow anyway. Might as well use the kill today and give us an extra lynch to try to still hit the recruiter.

[Commander9]

You forget one small thing, Mr. S. - I don't have a DK today anymore...

Anyways, I'd AoG to hammer, but if he's cult, he won't do that and after all townies (I'm assuming all of this stuff right now), you are the cheapest avenue.

[pancakemix]

You forget one small thing, Mr. S. - I don't have a DK today anymore...

Anyways, I'd AoG to hammer, but if he's cult, he won't do that and after all townies (I'm assuming all of this stuff right now), you are the cheapest avenue.

I think lynching Rodion first is implied there.

Problem: Situation gets muddy after that. Who gets recruited tonight?

[Mr. Squirrel]

You forget one small thing, Mr. S. - I don't have a DK today anymore...

Oh dang, I forgot. This day seems to be dragging on so long that I thought that happened on the day before this one.

Anyway, I guess I should come forward with this now then. I still have a kill... My JOAT actually had four abilities, and one of them was a 1 shot NK. I didn't mention it before because I wanted the cult to think I was vanilla and not recruit me. I shouldn't hammer. If our lynch goes bad, I can still make a NK on our second target.

Anyways, I'd AoG to hammer, but if he's cult, he won't do that and after all townies (I'm assuming all of this stuff right now), you are the cheapest avenue.

What is Jeraado's abilities? I doubt AoG would be cult (who would recruit an inactive?) but if he is, could jeraado make the hammer?

[TheSaxlad]

Shieldgenerator7 will be replacing Army of God.

I know he was the mafia godfather, but I figured he couldn't know anything about the cult so I was happy with it.

If anyone has any objections please PM me.

[safariguy5]

Shieldgenerator7 will be replacing Army of God.

I know he was the mafia godfather, but I figured he couldn't know anything about the cult so I was happy with it.

If anyone has any objections please PM me.

So is the deadline still the 19th?

[Rodion]

Vote Shield.

Unvote.

Welcome back! Do you have a lot to read or are you already updated?

[Commander9]

Shield, 2 quick questions:

I) Are you willing to claim? If so, we need that now.
II) Are you willing to hammer Safari to prove your township? If so, we need that now.

[Rodion]

II) Are you willing to hammer Safari to prove your township? If so, we need that now.

Do you fully comprehend what you're suggesting?

[Commander9]

Do you fully comprehend what you're suggesting?

Yes, I believe I do.

[Rodion]

You're asking AoG/Shield to confirm his pro-town alignment by hammering Safari.

Safari is either:

a) town bomb
b) cult bomb
c) cult "something else"

He's not town "something else" because of LAL (I don't see a good reason for lying at this point).

In case A, one townie dies (Safari). If Shield is also town, he also dies and loses the game. If he's cult, he also dies and we go into night 4-3. Shield's alignment is confirmed upon his death.
In case B, one cult dies (Safari) and one townie dies (Shield). We go into night 4-3, and, yes, Shield's pro-town alignment is confirmed upon his death.
In case C, one cult dies (Safari). Since he isn't a bomb (and his cult buddies KNOW that), it's possible that another cult dropped the hammer without fearing his death. Thus, Shield's innocence is NOT confirmed by hammering.

The offer you made Shield is basically:

die and we'll know you were town (and Shield loses whatever chance he had of making a deal with the cult and winning the game)
OR
live, but then we won't really be sure whether you are town or not

It makes absolutely NO SENSE for Shield to accept your offer (regardless of his role).

[Commander9]

You're asking AoG/Shield to confirm his pro-town alignment by hammering Safari.

Safari is either:

a) town bomb
b) cult bomb
c) cult "something else"

He's not town "something else" because of LAL (I don't see a good reason for lying at this point).

In case A, one townie dies (Safari). If Shield is also town, he also dies and loses the game. If he's cult, he also dies and we go into night 4-3. Shield's alignment is confirmed upon his death.
In case B, one cult dies (Safari) and one townie dies (Shield). We go into night 4-3, and, yes, Shield's pro-town alignment is confirmed upon his death.
In case C, one cult dies (Safari). Since he isn't a bomb (and his cult buddies KNOW that), it's possible that another cult dropped the hammer without fearing his death. Thus, Shield's innocence is NOT confirmed by hammering.

The offer you made Shield is basically:

die and we'll know you were town (and Shield loses whatever chance he had of making a deal with the cult and winning the game)
OR
live, but then we won't really be sure whether you are town or not

It makes absolutely NO SENSE for Shield to accept your offer (regardless of his role).

First of all, most of your post is BS and I will explain how. If he is town, he doesn't have to survive to win, so if he gets cult bomb or something else and town wins, he wins. I can guarantee that it's around 5% that both of them are town, so town won't lose straight away. IF he's town, he will take that offer, but it gives him a chance (fairly good chance too). IF he's not, we know he won't take it. Besides, your option C is the biggest BS I've seen in a LONG time - if he's cult something else, we get a cultie (probably a recruiter) and we move into night - and I would gladly say that he's a confirmed townie.

I'm sorry, dude, but your smell badly and the things that you spew aren't worth a one centavo.

[Rodion]

You're asking AoG/Shield to confirm his pro-town alignment by hammering Safari.

Safari is either:

a) town bomb
b) cult bomb
c) cult "something else"

He's not town "something else" because of LAL (I don't see a good reason for lying at this point).

In case A, one townie dies (Safari). If Shield is also town, he also dies and loses the game. If he's cult, he also dies and we go into night 4-3. Shield's alignment is confirmed upon his death.
In case B, one cult dies (Safari) and one townie dies (Shield). We go into night 4-3, and, yes, Shield's pro-town alignment is confirmed upon his death.
In case C, one cult dies (Safari). Since he isn't a bomb (and his cult buddies KNOW that), it's possible that another cult dropped the hammer without fearing his death. Thus, Shield's innocence is NOT confirmed by hammering.

The offer you made Shield is basically:

die and we'll know you were town (and Shield loses whatever chance he had of making a deal with the cult and winning the game)
OR
live, but then we won't really be sure whether you are town or not

It makes absolutely NO SENSE for Shield to accept your offer (regardless of his role).

First of all, most of your post is BS and I will explain how. If he is town, he doesn't have to survive to win, so if he gets cult bomb or something else and town wins, he wins. I can guarantee that it's around 5% that both of them are town, so town won't lose straight away. IF he's town, he will take that offer, but it gives him a chance (fairly good chance too). IF he's not, we know he won't take it. Besides, your option C is the biggest BS I've seen in a LONG time - if he's cult something else, we get a cultie (probably a recruiter) and we move into night - and I would gladly say that he's a confirmed townie.

I'm sorry, dude, but your smell badly and the things that you spew aren't worth a one centavo.

You missed the point, which is "he can only be confirmed as town if Safari is indeed a bomb" - after that happens, Shield can still win with the town, but he lost whatever chance he had of striking a deal with the cult to win because he died (a chance that the non-hammerers still have). You're lowballing him and I bet Shield realized that.

And you can NEVER say he's a confirmed townie if he hammers a cult non-bomb / non-recruiter (you could offer to "treat" him as a confirmed townie, but the truth remains: he wouldn't be a confirmed townie in the eye's of anyone who is oriented by logic). Your own logic is so poor here that I could actually speculate that your WC is not the same as the town's. I won't, but it's worth noting.

[Commander9]

You missed the point, which is "he can only be confirmed as town if Safari is indeed a bomb" - after that happens, Shield can still win with the town, but he lost whatever chance he had of striking a deal with the cult to win because he died (a chance that the non-hammerers still have). You're lowballing him and I bet Shield realized that.

And you can NEVER say he's a confirmed townie if he hammers a cult non-bomb / non-recruiter (you could offer to "treat" him as a confirmed townie, but the truth remains: he wouldn't be a confirmed townie in the eye's of anyone who is oriented by logic). Your own logic is so poor here that I could actually speculate that your WC is not the same as the town's. I won't, but it's worth noting.

First of all, I'm 90% sure that he's a cult, so it doesn't bother me. I am almost 100% sure he won't hammer, so most of this conversation is pointless. Furthermore, your attempted dig at my credibility - well, I thought better of you, but I guess this does happens to those, who are desperate.

[Metsfanmax]

You missed the point, which is "he can only be confirmed as town if Safari is indeed a bomb" - after that happens, Shield can still win with the town, but he lost whatever chance he had of striking a deal with the cult to win because he died (a chance that the non-hammerers still have). You're lowballing him and I bet Shield realized that.

You're still under the illusion that any current member of the town is interested in striking a deal with you. You've given us multiple "offers" and been declined every time. We're not playing ball with you -- we're playing to win. We're going to hammer safari one way or another. If he really is the town bomb, we lose. It doesn't matter at that point who hammers him. If he's the cult bomb, then we sacrifice the least important player -- but that player still wins when we do! If he's cult anything else, then we're in great shape and shield has good chances to win with us. He has no reason not to be the hammer, given that no one wants to play ball with you and your incredibly weak offers.

And you can NEVER say he's a confirmed townie if he hammers a cult non-bomb / non-recruiter (you could offer to "treat" him as a confirmed townie, but the truth remains: he wouldn't be a confirmed townie in the eye's of anyone who is oriented by logic).

It wouldn't really matter whether he can be sure he's town. After all, I'm not sure that Mr. S or pcm are town, they just look that way to me. Nothing in this game is ever 100% while people are still alive. But if shield does hammer a cult member, we get what we want and it would go a long way towards clearing his name in our eyes. The bottom line is that until we find out what safari actually is, we can do nothing but make wild speculations.

[shieldgenerator7]

Thanks for the welcome! Yes I have been keeping updated and I see the situation here with the cult.
If saf is a bomb I'd rather not be the hammer because I am the town vig. I have an NK ability and I can help us win. I'm not sure if AoG used it as it seems (if I remember correctly) that there have only been 1 kill each night so I doubt he has been using it. but I asked Saxlad if he would send me AoG's night actions so I can tell what's been going on. But I am in the dark as of now about my predecessor's actions.

And I would agree that saf is highly suspicious, 1 because he noticed cult presence first thing right off the bat (although I've noted he does this in pretty much every game), and the whole caboodle about claiming town bomb, sounds like a reasonable claim for the cult recruiter.

I have my suspiciouns of Com9 as well, he siad who was confirmed townie and who was confirmed cult, and I didn't see his reasoning behind it. And did you notice he had 4 confirmed town? isn't that the number of the amount of cult left in this game? I'm saying he might be cult and is claiming his buddies as town. Of course, I might be forgetting previous discussion that lead him to that conclusion, but I find that funny. All I ask of you Com9 as of right now is the explanations again as to why those 4 "townies" are confirmed town. If you wuldn't mind? Just to refresh my memory.

And Rodion is acting really weird. What's up with that Rodion? You are one the strongest town players in this game (meta-gaming here), what caused you to crack? Seriously, Rodion never plays like he just did. Something's definitely up with this. I doubt Rodion is a town who just gave up. I think he is the recruiter or some other cult member. I seriously don't know what's up with that.

And comments on other players... I don't remember much about jimfinn or jeerado in this game so I'll have to go back and see what I can find.

So Mr. Squirrel, are you going to use your DK on saf, or are you waiting for some confirmation or something? Just curious. It seems like that would be a way to help us win... as already explained. It would be better for us to lose you than a town power role, since you're just a VT after you use it. And if saf isn't a bomb, then we still have an extra VT to help us vote the cult off. I think it's a win-win for town, unless of course saf really is town bomb. I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I'm just saying I support your DK on saf.

Other than that, I'm really not sure who's cult. Saf and rodion are looking the most suspicious to me.

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[Metsfanmax]

The town right now has to operate under the assumption that the only confirmed town players are

Mets
pancakemix
Commander9
jeraado
Mr. Squirrel

There's still plenty of uncertainty in this, but it's the most likely scenario, which means that shield is doing the same thing safari was doing and claiming a role that we wouldn't dare lynch.

[Rodion]

I don't have to attempt a dig at your credibility, Comm. I confirmed myself as anti-town, yet my posts make more sense than yours.

Mets, I only attempted to deal with 3 people: PCM (that made a "no lynch" counteroffer), Squirrel and you. You can't even conclude that 3 townies turned the original offer down, because none of you 3 is absolutely cleared.

Fasposted by Shield and Mets. Gonna read later.

[Commander9]

There has already been a vig. Bad fake claim.

Shield, reread up and then post. Rodion is already confirmed cult. I have already explained why and who I think are town. Mr. Squirrel claimed NK, not DK.

[shieldgenerator7]

There has already been a vig. Bad fake claim.

Shield, reread up and then post. Rodion is already confirmed cult. I have already explained why and who I think are town. Mr. Squirrel claimed NK, not DK.

Sorry I thought Squirrel said DK not NK. My bad.

Yeah, how'd you know I'm not the town vig? I'm the last surviving mafia member! That's what I am! Now does that make you feel better? Seriously...

Yeah, I suspected Rodion to be cult, so we should lynch him if we don't lynch saf, but both are good options. Rodion was talking as if he was the recruiter, maybe because he is, or maybe to distract town from the real recruiter, which might be (probably is) saf.

[Commander9]

I don't have to attempt a dig at your credibility, Comm. I confirmed myself as anti-town, yet my posts make more sense than yours.

Mets, I only attempted to deal with 3 people: PCM (that made a "no lynch" counteroffer), Squirrel and you. You can't even conclude that 3 townies turned the original offer down, because none of you 3 is absolutely cleared.

Fasposted by Shield and Mets. Gonna read later.

I will assume that it's you being cult that is speaking, because I generally don't consider you to be an idiot Your posts actually make pretty much zero sense to those, who are not cult.

Yes, they are not cleared completely... Yet, much more cleared than others.

Besides, you trying to provide smokescreen for Saf pretty much tells the alignment of you and him.