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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:16 pm

yet im clealry not the recruiting because i all ready have a role thats been confirmed, and its not a 5 part role. So start actually looking for someone thats scum.

The case against marashu did not start form your random comment. Have you even read my case? Part of the case has to do with how he pushed you yesterday, and how he was taking advantage of our fighting, and guess what he is starting to do that again today!

not to mention, i would have no reason to be trying to recruit someone like ib, when id much rather recruit mtamb for shits and giggles. + i would have laid a hint for him so that he would have said yes lol? to which he would have.

sure it is your guys fault. your not evolving with this game, I was told to shut up and quiet down, i did for a bit, nothing changed, the inactive people feel no real pressure to actually do anything.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Marashu on Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:21 pm

I did confirm that I am allowed to paraphrase win condition as long as I don't quote it. Should I disclose it?

fp'd by Storr
As much as Storr is a big question mark right now, I have to agree that I don't think he's the recruiter.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:27 pm

why not
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:05 pm

So then what do you think about Hotshot trying to start something against me?
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby HotShot53 on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:07 pm

Ok, continuing my analysis of everyone...

8.Marashu - Most knowledgeable about flavor. Pressured mets day 1, with streaker as his second choice. After streaker claimed, he didn't like the claim and voted streaker. Made good reads end of day 1. Storr votes him early day 2 because he comments on end's soft claim too quickly, mets votes him because he doesn't suggest that storr's possible name claim would be scummy. Votes for storr to try to get him to fully claim. When he got to L-3 claimed Egwene, no night actions. Gave more reads, still wants storr to name claim.

Overall I find him town, and agree with most of what he's done/posted.

9.GotTonkaed - disagreed with the 'easy' push on mitch day 1, was away during the streaker pressure/lynch. Visited storr day 1, declined to trade his vote for the commuter action. Defends himself day 2 as not one of the "power scum characters", which sounds kind of weird. Agreed with met's case on mars and voted mars, only posted in here once in the last 7 days, and that was 4 days ago.

Overall, I don't really know, some things sound towny, but others aren't so much. I'm neutral on him to slight scum


10.Endgame422 Elyas Machera Night 1 kill, kind of weird since a lot of people thought he was scum. Was suspicious of Tonk because of not participating in the streaker lynch...

11.dd515087 - entered the game with a giant post summarizing everything, ends it with being suspicious of storr and streaker, votes storr. Streaker responds by voting dd. Got into a bit of a fight with streaker, seemed real and not 2 scum bussing each other. Switches to voting streaker after his storr case doesn't go anywhere. Started day 2 voting storr again, still doesn't trust him. Would like to see more of his opinions day 2 other than just storr. I'll lean town because of his fight with streaker (could have been 2 scum pretending to fight, but didn't seem like it)

12.Metsfanmax
13.Iron Butterfly
14.Talapus

Doing these posts just takes way too much time, but I still don't have a strong scum read on someone... mets, talapus or tonk will probably be my vote at this point
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:27 pm

Marashu wrote:I did confirm that I am allowed to paraphrase win condition as long as I don't quote it. Should I disclose it?

fp'd by Storr
As much as Storr is a big question mark right now, I have to agree that I don't think he's the recruiter.


Gawd No one is claiming he is the recruiter for the billionth time.He keep s claiming that he is being claimed as the recruiter.

By Storr outing his role so early he has said to both mafia and third party who and what he is. He has shown he can be useful to everyone not just town. I am just saying that if the tide turned for town and Storr was playing for other then town could be in a world of hurt.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:31 pm

StorrZerg wrote:yet im clealry not the recruiting because i all ready have a role thats been confirmed, and its not a 5 part role. So start actually looking for someone thats scum.

The case against marashu did not start form your random comment. Have you even read my case? Part of the case has to do with how he pushed you yesterday, and how he was taking advantage of our fighting, and guess what he is starting to do that again today!

not to mention, i would have no reason to be trying to recruit someone like ib, when id much rather recruit mtamb for shits and giggles. + i would have laid a hint for him so that he would have said yes lol? to which he would have.

sure it is your guys fault. your not evolving with this game, I was told to shut up and quiet down, i did for a bit, nothing changed, the inactive people feel no real pressure to actually do anything.


Why the f*ck you keep talking as if you are being accused of being the recruiter? I am suggesting you could easily be a faction that has others besides Town as a win condition. You may not be recruiter but you most certainly could help Cult win if it actually came to that.

I WILL agree about the inactives.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby rishaed on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:37 pm

Vote Count:

Marashu (4) - gotTonkaed, WCmdrG, Storr, madmitch
Storr (3) - Marashu, IB, Mets
Mets (1) - mtamburini
Talapus (1) - virus90

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline July 11th.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:42 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:yet im clealry not the recruiting because i all ready have a role thats been confirmed, and its not a 5 part role. So start actually looking for someone thats scum.

The case against marashu did not start form your random comment. Have you even read my case? Part of the case has to do with how he pushed you yesterday, and how he was taking advantage of our fighting, and guess what he is starting to do that again today!

not to mention, i would have no reason to be trying to recruit someone like ib, when id much rather recruit mtamb for shits and giggles. + i would have laid a hint for him so that he would have said yes lol? to which he would have.

sure it is your guys fault. your not evolving with this game, I was told to shut up and quiet down, i did for a bit, nothing changed, the inactive people feel no real pressure to actually do anything.


Why the f*ck you keep talking as if you are being accused of being the recruiter? I am suggesting you could easily be a faction that has others besides Town as a win condition. You may not be recruiter but you most certainly could help Cult win if it actually came to that.

I WILL agree about the inactives.


It was my fault in this case; I did actually suggest that it's possible that he's the recruiter, not because I think it's likely, but because Storr's actions fit better as third party than as part of a sole scum faction.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:14 am

So Hotshot is posting his usual "no one is scum" reads. Overall quite like his summary of peoples play. Not really much to read into this, it appears scummy every game that he doesnt give strong reads, but its every game so becomes a mute point by this stage. Interestingly reads Tal and Mets as two of his three scummier players alongside GT having not actually written about their play yet.... Will await that one.

Tal I still dont really like, outright avoiding giving reads now. Offered confused mechanics talk and thats it. All its done has caused further wasted time and confusion.

GT and Mars are rolled into one for me. The kill on End is just weird for anyone but Mars to make. At first I thought that GT was soft-claiming to be the Vig and so this would go a long way to clear the case against Mars. However, with GT happy to lynch Mars this cannot be the case. In which case I dont see anything townie about GT's play at all. Got really pissed off with me trying to get him to be clear in his comments and then tried the "push me more and you must be scum" blackmail, which has no place in this game. I was trying to help him and he jumped to defend himself.

I'd have believed a vig claim from him because of his "I thought End was scum" after the NK post. This is why I wanted his opinion on the Mars case, and he didnt see an issue with it, so no longer would I believe a vig claim.

DD has disappeared, fantastic.

Is Storrs role a threat to mafia? If he was actually giving out vig kills then mafia would have to be scared. Its a thought when considering how tunneled Mets is. Increasing the power of townie players can only serve to push the balance in favour of town. Not particularly helpful early game as we dont really have a firm understanding of the game, but later on it will be more useful. (As long as Storr stops playing gambits now, and just settles in for the right moment)

IB is still town to me, (Notice he didnt acknowledge the possibility that being recruited would change win condition)
and begrudgingly so is Mtam (ignore my joke suggestion to lynch Mtam, I just dont like the way he plays the game)

Madmitch was a late voter on Streaker, so little to read his alignment either way.

Now deadline is tomorrow. I would be happy with a Mars, GT or Tal lynches. At a push Virus too as I cant read him as yet. Storr please act accordingly until I change these opinions. We need a large swing of votes in a short space of time, in effect you are a double voter now.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Marashu on Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:56 am

Ok. This should hopefully clear away the last of the doubt any townies have about my alignment. For me to win, the journey needs to succeed. Doesn't say anything about eliminating shadowspawn or threats to the town or anything.

Unvote - if we're not lynching Storr today, I am willing to lynch someone else.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby virus90 on Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:46 am

@ marashu, why do you vote got tonka'd. we have 1 day, no one votes him yet. you dont make a case, seems like a waste of vote & time
its not that i disagree, i already stated that GT is on my scum list 2, so i would be fine with pressuring him, but you dont seem to make an effort. besides your list post was mwah to me. many reads i disagreed with.

marashu is fair game for a lynch in my opinion. i wouldnt mind a second claim, preferably from talapus (or GT).
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby madmitch on Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:39 am

I agree with Virus, Mars is wasting time on voting GT. He is going to push all of us to the deadline unless we all get together and get rid of him!!!!
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Metsfanmax on Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:49 am

Marashu wrote:Ok. This should hopefully clear away the last of the doubt any townies have about my alignment. For me to win, the journey needs to succeed. Doesn't say anything about eliminating shadowspawn or threats to the town or anything.


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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby StorrZerg on Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:21 am

Hotshot you n3ed to explain in a bit more detail how you are town reading Marashu
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Iron Butterfly on Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:24 am

Marashu wrote:Ok. This should hopefully clear away the last of the doubt any townies have about my alignment. For me to win, the journey needs to succeed. Doesn't say anything about eliminating shadowspawn or threats to the town or anything.

Unvote - if we're not lynching Storr today, I am willing to lynch someone else.
Vote GT


I am torn on this. There have been reasoned posts as to why Marashu is scummy, small and superficial things. His win condition clears nothing up though it does support my theory on cult. His vote makes no sense this late in game. My win condition states my alignment and who I need to defeat. I suspect that cult can only recruit players with win conditions such as Mars. When I speak of cult I am speaking of Darkness.

I have no doubt about what Storr can do.I defended and believed him day 1. Day 2 changed. I will be first to admit that if he is lying about his alignment(3P) I fear what he could become. Mafia is a game of BS and lying.

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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby StorrZerg on Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:51 am

Fear what I could become ? I'll just say now, I don't ger why you are acting like I'm going to accept some dark offering lol?

So thank you for finally moving your vote off me.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby HotShot53 on Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:59 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Hotshot you n3ed to explain in a bit more detail how you are town reading Marashu


Your case against him is that he found End's soft claim too quickly. Why would a scum post the soft claim if that's the reason they killed him? Scum would rather leave you wondering what happened, while a town would post interesting info he found.

Mets votes him today for not saying you're possible scum because of who you might be. However Marashu was pushing mets hard day 1... so it could be a bit of revenge for that too. Because I read mets as more likely scum than you do, marashu is the opposite so I read him more town.

Plus, I like the way he's been playing, giving reads, being active, etc.

And I can believe his claim.

So all added up together... I think he is more likely to be town than scum.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby StorrZerg on Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:18 pm

Your not explaining what I want, so I'll be more specific.

So I want more detailed reasoning on his reads you like, which ones stand out etc. Not just a blanket statement because his read on mets was terrible. It added nothing and it seemed very opportunistic.

I've caught my fair share of scum for knowing to much about night kills. I'd gladly hear your thoughts on why endgame died when he was likely a person to be forced to claim today.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby HotShot53 on Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:51 pm

Ok, finishing the last three reads now...

12.Metsfanmax - Got into a big fight with storr day 1, from which storr town reads him. Voted streaker because he wanted to just go along with whomever storr wanted to lynch (sheeping), then after the claim unvoted and gave reasons he believe the claim, even though wing stated definitively that it was a fake claim. Day 2, votes for marashu for not pressuring storr for a name claim (and still believes storr is scum) Visited storr with his day action, declined the trade. Switched his vote to storr because of storr's lying. Makes the statement that we are going to lynch storr or marashu today, anything else is wasting time. Although on day 1, he said "Also, lol at your argument against lone voters. That's a great attitude: never start a case against someone new, just sheep on what other people are doing." That was while the wagon was building against streaker. When I gave him a FOS for the statement, he defends himself by stating "basically no one is doubting my town affiliation at this point in the game", doing what he didn't like storr doing of stating he's confirmed town basically. Switches his vote back to marashu by quoting marashu's giving his win condition.

Overall - He's been very active, which is good. I don't like how he defended streaker after the claim, and even before the claim tried to encourage cases on others, while today he tried to shut down cases on others to focus on storr & marashu. For all his posts and comments, hasn't really given many reads on others than his main focus. In reality, he's posted enough that you can focus on things that sound towny, or focus on things that sound scummy, but his defense of streaker and inconsistency about starting new cases or not depending who they were focused on gives me more scummy vibes.

13.Iron Butterfly
14.Talapus

Mets posts too much, so my lunch break is about over already...
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby HotShot53 on Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:12 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Your not explaining what I want, so I'll be more specific.

So I want more detailed reasoning on his reads you like, which ones stand out etc. Not just a blanket statement because his read on mets was terrible. It added nothing and it seemed very opportunistic.

I've caught my fair share of scum for knowing to much about night kills. I'd gladly hear your thoughts on why endgame died when he was likely a person to be forced to claim today.


Other than the 2 reads I have left to do, you can compare mine and his reads if you want, or sometime tonight I can go look at them again.

I haven't the faintest clue why endgame died, seems an odd choice to me too. Maybe because he was going to go after tonk day 2, maybe because scum also saw the soft claim, maybe another reason we have no idea about.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby mtamburini on Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:22 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Marashu wrote:Ok. This should hopefully clear away the last of the doubt any townies have about my alignment. For me to win, the journey needs to succeed. Doesn't say anything about eliminating shadowspawn or threats to the town or anything.


unvote
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So are you voting based on this quote or?
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby HotShot53 on Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:30 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
Marashu wrote:Ok. This should hopefully clear away the last of the doubt any townies have about my alignment. For me to win, the journey needs to succeed. Doesn't say anything about eliminating shadowspawn or threats to the town or anything.

Unvote - if we're not lynching Storr today, I am willing to lynch someone else.
Vote GT


I am torn on this. There have been reasoned posts as to why Marashu is scummy, small and superficial things. His win condition clears nothing up though it does support my theory on cult. His vote makes no sense this late in game. My win condition states my alignment and who I need to defeat. I suspect that cult can only recruit players with win conditions such as Mars. When I speak of cult I am speaking of Darkness.

I have no doubt about what Storr can do.I defended and believed him day 1. Day 2 changed. I will be first to admit that if he is lying about his alignment(3P) I fear what he could become. Mafia is a game of BS and lying.

Vote Marushu


Maybe different town have different win conditions depending on who they are... the mod kind of forgot to give me a win condition in my role PM, but since apparently he's ok with us talking about win conditions I just asked him what mine is, and it matches what marashu said. So I am more convinced than before that marashu is town.

Since the day is getting closer to deadline, and I don't want to wait until tonight when I can analyze IB and talapus to put in my vote, I will put it on my best scum read that has a chance of going somewhere today and vote tonk for the reasons I gave prior.
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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby StorrZerg on Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:32 pm

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Re: [Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [12/14] D2:Long Tooth Wake

Postby Metsfanmax on Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:33 pm

HotShot53 wrote:12.Metsfanmax - Got into a big fight with storr day 1, from which storr town reads him. Voted streaker because he wanted to just go along with whomever storr wanted to lynch (sheeping),


A moment's reflection should point out how obviously wrong this is. The entire basis of my play up to that point was that Storr was scum, and that we were likely to hit town. I said that I wanted Storr's target to get lynched precisely because I expected that Storr's target would flip town, bolstering my point that Storr was scum so that we could lynch him on D2.

then after the claim unvoted and gave reasons he believe the claim, even though wing stated definitively that it was a fake claim.


Storr answered this point sufficiently. I am not an idiot. The last thing I would do as scum there is to draw attention to myself by unvoting when I had already switched on to Storr's case and said I wanted Storr's pick to be lynched. Streaker was clearly going to die at that point unless something miraculous happened, so what did it gain me?

Makes the statement that we are going to lynch storr or marashu today, anything else is wasting time. Although on day 1, he said "Also, lol at your argument against lone voters. That's a great attitude: never start a case against someone new, just sheep on what other people are doing."


Yes, and I acknowledged that there might be a seeming contradiction between the two stances. I don't think there was in context, because I was actually going hard against Storr and making a serious, game-long case out of it; most of the other people today have made half-hearted votes and not defended them further even as the day evolved. But even if I did change my stance when the circumstances changed (something I try not to do), that's not alignment indicative; it doesn't take being scum to want to be right.

When I gave him a FOS for the statement, he defends himself by stating "basically no one is doubting my town affiliation at this point in the game", doing what he didn't like storr doing of stating he's confirmed town basically.


I don't like saying someone is confirmed town when the "confirmation" is themselves saying it a lot based on disputed circumstances. I have been exonerated as town by multiple players (implicitly or explicitly) this game, without any real dispute about those circumstances, and you are one of the only people who is doubting it at this time. So the point here is that you'd better have a good reason to go after me.

Switches his vote back to marashu by quoting marashu's giving his win condition.


I obviously intended not to say why I am voting based on that, but since you are saying that your win condition is consistent with his, I will not say that it is not consistent with mine. (Maybe you are both scum?)
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