Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Meh virus can follow me again with the bus driver out will confirm.

Last 2 scum are aog and mets

haha yeah, like it'd be smart to let you live past today

If you where really 3rd party you would have counter claimed me on day 2. You are not.

[Metsfanmax]

Why would it have been in AoG's interest to counterclaim you at any point?

[rishaed]

Why would it have been in AoG's interest to counterclaim you at any point?

If you think someones been fakeclaiming your role, you don't just sit back. I have to think. I though i had most of the puzzle pieces fitted together but this is throwing a wrench in things.

[Army of GOD]

why would I counterclaim when you only claimed survivor?

[virus90]

Why would it have been in AoG's interest to counterclaim you at any point?

If you think someones been fakeclaiming your role, you don't just sit back. I have to think. I though i had most of the puzzle pieces fitted together but this is throwing a wrench in things.

i join that club. having a hard time on guessing who is what now, had storr as probably town and aog as probably scum but my investigation kind of says otherwise...

[Army of GOD]

to non-Storr players, what do you think of Storr visiting rish after we were bussed?

That either means Storr is lying or I'm confirmed (since Storr says he doesn't have a night action).

[StorrZerg]

Either way mets is confirmed scum.


Like. Aog claims something to give himself a reason to visit.

If i visit people I would have claimed something that can visit. I simply don't visit, and the only logical explanation is that the bus messed with virus results or another role did.

He is the second claimed investigated role, I believe him.

[NoSurvivors]

NoS I need you to answer.

Do you kill the Shaman or just have to find him?

AoG*? I'm the doc, yo.

[Army of GOD]

I simply don't visit, and the only logical explanation is that the bus messed with virus results or another role did.

or, you know, that you're lying

[NoSurvivors]

It is rather odd that as a "lyncher" you don't visit people...

[StorrZerg]

It is rather odd that as a "lyncher" you don't visit people...

why would I visit? I win when I lynch my target correctly.

Or if they die in the night, I can win as survivor.

I don't have a night action, I have no idea how virus got a result of me visiting someone that can't be visited. The whole thing doesn't make sense.

If Virus was mafia, he would be accusing me of a liar and bull rushing me to a lynch imo. Not taking his time.

What we can possibly know is Mafia bussed me and Aog.
It's a strong possibility they thought aog would die in the night or expected night investigation used on aog.

guess what, that happened.

is anyone going to try and defend mets claim? Besides aog being scum, he kinda has to be.

Doc
blocker
immune to night actions
jailer

[rishaed]

Roles Claimed:
Virus Tracker: N1 Streaker, N2 AoG (somehow swapped with storr)
IB Vig:N1 Streaker (dead), N2 dd515(Scum&dead)
NoS Doc:N1 Virus N2 IB
AoG Lyncher: N1 Wing N2 Rishaed
Storr Lyncher:N1- N2-
Mets 1xBP: N1-N2-
Rishaed Town Null:N1-N2-

Deaths:
N1:Wing(?), Streaker(IB), TG(?)
N2:StrikeWolf (?), dd515(IB)

[rishaed]

This is going to be a long post so bear with me.

First off, STORR WHO IS YOU LYNCH TARGET?! This is the third time i'm asking today, and I already think I know the answer, but give it to me anyways.

Here are the scenarios I've come up with:
Starting with the worst:
Virus could be lying, we have 3 scum left and this is a gamble to win the game. In this case we still don't lynch virus because its not confirmed that he's lying.
I don't think its likely, but its possible and thats whats making this puzzle difficult.
Next Scenario:
Virus is telling the truth. This scenario is better, but I think its possible we have 2 separate scum groups of 2. In which case its not Lynch or Lose (much better we have today as leeway.) In this scenario, assuming virus's information is correct >Lynch Storr (almost confirmed scum), kill AoG in the night (his claim isn't adding up, and if Mets does have the bulletproof targeting him is worthless), if we haven't killed all scum lynch mets the next day, still haven't endgamed well....I'm not sure at that point.
Next Scenario: Virus is mistaken about his info, and storr isn't lying. Well this one is improbable so I'm not going to discuss it very much here.
Something else I realized is that AoG is the only one who has claimed to have visited Wing N1, when he died. Along with a few of the other things that don't add up this makes him even more lynch worthy. The problem that i've come to is one of numbers:
If scum have 2 and we lynch Aog (and he is a lyncher) than we lose 2 go down to 5, and if IB doesn't kill scum in the night we are endgamed.
Also due to the fact that there were 3 deaths night 1 and 2 deaths night 2, and nobody is taking responsibility for the TG/Wing deaths, I either suspect AoG tried to kill me and failed (lol), and is telling the truth about who he visited, or TG had a night action that killed himself.
Anyways, from the above roles i've claimed heres the course of action I would take today: Lynch Mets. we go down to 6 (if hes scum we are one closer to winning, but if not then scum= virus/storr/Aog), IB could be scum and lying to us, but i think he is the vig. Between the three kills on night one and the scum kill n2 then I am convinced he is town vig. If hes an SK well.... We lynch him after we get rid of scum. IB kills Storrs target if the target is AoG. If not I'll let him choose between the two. Storr becomes a survivor (if hes telling the truth). If Mets and AoG are scum, then we should Endgame assuming IB is not an SK or do not have 3 scum alive. We go down to 4, because of the night kill on either NoS/Virus/Storr/IB. If there are 3 scum alive right now its Lynch or Lose anyways.
Thoughts on these scenarios.

[Metsfanmax]

Also due to the fact that there were 3 deaths night 1 and 2 deaths night 2, and nobody is taking responsibility for the TG/Wing deaths, I either suspect AoG tried to kill me and failed (lol), and is telling the truth about who he visited, or TG had a night action that killed himself.

They might also have targeted me and destroyed my vest.

[Iron Butterfly]

woah woah woah woah


Storr is totally lying. There's no way he could've visited rish as he claims to have no night action.

So now you say woah woah woah say Storr is lying? Why not say he is lying when he claims your role?

[Iron Butterfly]

NoS I need you to answer.

Do you kill the Shaman or just have to find him?

NoS...?

Duh I meant YOU AoG. Sorry for confusion.

[Iron Butterfly]

This is going to be a long post so bear with me.

First off, STORR WHO IS YOU LYNCH TARGET?! This is the third time i'm asking today, and I already think I know the answer, but give it to me anyways.

Here are the scenarios I've come up with:
Starting with the worst:
Virus could be lying, we have 3 scum left and this is a gamble to win the game. In this case we still don't lynch virus because its not confirmed that he's lying.
I don't think its likely, but its possible and thats whats making this puzzle difficult.
Next Scenario:
Virus is telling the truth. This scenario is better, but I think its possible we have 2 separate scum groups of 2. In which case its not Lynch or Lose (much better we have today as leeway.) In this scenario, assuming virus's information is correct >Lynch Storr (almost confirmed scum), kill AoG in the night (his claim isn't adding up, and if Mets does have the bulletproof targeting him is worthless), if we haven't killed all scum lynch mets the next day, still haven't endgamed well....I'm not sure at that point.
Next Scenario: Virus is mistaken about his info, and storr isn't lying. Well this one is improbable so I'm not going to discuss it very much here.
Something else I realized is that AoG is the only one who has claimed to have visited Wing N1, when he died. Along with a few of the other things that don't add up this makes him even more lynch worthy. The problem that i've come to is one of numbers:
If scum have 2 and we lynch Aog (and he is a lyncher) than we lose 2 go down to 5, and if IB doesn't kill scum in the night we are endgamed.
Also due to the fact that there were 3 deaths night 1 and 2 deaths night 2, and nobody is taking responsibility for the TG/Wing deaths, I either suspect AoG tried to kill me and failed (lol), and is telling the truth about who he visited, or TG had a night action that killed himself.
Anyways, from the above roles i've claimed heres the course of action I would take today: Lynch Mets. we go down to 6 (if hes scum we are one closer to winning, but if not then scum= virus/storr/Aog), IB could be scum and lying to us, but i think he is the vig. Between the three kills on night one and the scum kill n2 then I am convinced he is town vig. If hes an SK well.... We lynch him after we get rid of scum. IB kills Storrs target if the target is AoG. If not I'll let him choose between the two. Storr becomes a survivor (if hes telling the truth). If Mets and AoG are scum, then we should Endgame assuming IB is not an SK or do not have 3 scum alive. We go down to 4, because of the night kill on either NoS/Virus/Storr/IB. If there are 3 scum alive right now its Lynch or Lose anyways.
Thoughts on these scenarios.

I agree. It is a little late for secretes Storr. Though I think he addressed it as he needs to "lynch" whom AoG must target.

There could also be the possibility that the "Boss" mafia may be able to effect investigative roles? Just a theory.I reread day two to see how Virus was posting after knowing his information day two. You can see before his claim he knows something and is trying to gain clarity on the situation,just by the way he is asking questions of Storr and his actions and who he may have visited. So Yeh I can believe Virus.

Now the numbers. I believe Town to be Rish,myself and Virus.

4 players left---Can both Storr and AoG be third party?= one or two killers.

2 players= NoS and Met

The point is can there really be three anti Town in the 7 of us?

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

[NoSurvivors]

IMO mets/AoG acum storr 3p
Gut and conversation based.

[rishaed]

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I did think of the possibility of a framer. I'm not sure how viable it is considering we only have 2 investigative roles.

[Army of GOD]

woah woah woah woah


Storr is totally lying. There's no way he could've visited rish as he claims to have no night action.

So now you say woah woah woah say Storr is lying? Why not say he is lying when he claims your role?

I did?

Also, this virus info is a third party and not my word vs his word. It changes the complexion of my argument against Storr

Remember, I had my vote on Store since the day began. I've been saying he's lying for a while

[Metsfanmax]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

[StorrZerg]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

cept when people use this thing called "reads" and "logic" Bus driver gave aogs night action to me. Thats the only thing that makes sense.

virus is never getting lynched today. There is an even bigger rift between me and aog. THe fact that you put up virus as a possible person to be lynched today is halarious. Plz fake claim better in the future

@rishaed
No one has claimed whom i need to lynch, Card type is Maze.
I have no idea about the persons alignment.
Really wanted mass claim yesterday to :/ woulda been an easy lynch zzzz

[Army of GOD]

cept when people use this thing called "reads" and "logic" Bus driver gave aogs night action to me. Thats the only thing that makes sense.

How often does that happen in a mafia game? I've never seen it before.


The more logical conclusion is that you're lying

[NoSurvivors]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

Pretty clearly you trying to protect AoG.

[StorrZerg]

nos whats your card