War on terrorism Dakky lynched: Nato & Russia win

by **LSU Tiger Josh** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:34 am

vote count coming up on my next break. at work right now

by **Epitaph1** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:36 am

I agree with Rag's comment about dakky. Adding up the posts at this point in the game isn't helpful as most of the talk has been joking around. It's only turning serious on page 4.

I took BuJaber's comment about masons to be a joke. LSU did mention masons in the rules, but that could mean nothing. Would be crazy if Bu was scum and one of his buddies is a scum mason.

The FOS and vote on TWR are both weak. Scum usually doesn't come out and say "I'm going to be quiet so I don't get lynched today." Yeah, it's not good to make such a comment as it doesn't contribute to the discussion, but I don't think TWR just gave himself away by making such a comment.

IGMEOY mandalorian and bujaber

by **dakky21** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:13 am

I agree with Epi and Rag about me not helping town, but at this moment I can only stick to the post count as scum almost always tends to be silent, especially on D1. Unfortunately no one voted for a mod or Arnold Schwarzenegger so I can stick to that and no one made any obvious mistake so far. Except mitch, who didn't react to my joke vote on him as he normally reacts. Only after I asked why didn't he react, then he wrote something, expecting to be funny as always, but this time I think he may not be town. So my vote on him stands.

by **LSU Tiger Josh** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:29 am

Vote Count: 15 alive takes 8 to lynch.

2 BgtheBrain: PTLowe, Mandy,
2 JBFloyd: Epitaph, Talapus,
1 Tobikura: Iron Butterfly,
1 The White Rose: Bujaber,
1 Mandy: MadMitch,
1 Bujaber: Hotshot,
1 Winston: Ragian,

by **Tobikera** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:09 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:Vote Tobikura
Because I have never played with him and I have nothing pithy to say of him.

Thanks for the notice, IB. It would have been nice if you had accompanied it with an appropriate clip, like
The Final Performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7V68w5hiA

Phillip Taylor gone (1995), Lee Dorman gone (2012), and what surprises await you in this game of Mafia?

Vote Iron Butterfly

by **Tobikera** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:10 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Vote Count: 15 alive takes 8 to lynch.

2 BgtheBrain: PTLowe, Mandy,
2 JBFloyd: Epitaph, Talapus,
1 Tobikura: Iron Butterfly,
1 The White Rose: Bujaber,
1 Mandy: MadMitch,
1 Bujaber: Hotshot,
1 Winston: Ragian,

Mods get no slack for spelling names wrong...it's Tobikera

by **madmitch** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:13 am

@ Dakky, I am not sure how to react to your confusing comment, except to say that 's what a terrorist would say to try to get the suspicion of himself. so I hope you are not counting on a thousand virgins waiting for you when we finally send you to Allah. UNVOTE VOTE DAKKY

by **dakky21** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:43 am

madmitch wrote:@ Dakky, I am not sure how to react to your confusing comment, except to say that 's what a terrorist would say to try to get the suspicion of himself. so I hope you are not counting on a thousand virgins waiting for you when we finally send you to Allah. UNVOTE VOTE DAKKY

What an OMGUS post lol....... looks like you want to visit Allah sooner than me.

by **jbfloyd** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:05 pm

Talapus wrote:
jbfloyd wrote:
Talapus puts me in a catch-22. I wasn't really intending to build a case on anyone at this point, but Talapus seems to think that if you're posting and not building a case (or something) then it's your turn in the corner.

I don't think that all on day one, unless something shines forth and merits a case. Later on in game than sure. But as you can see from the high quality posts I have so far you will see I'm not out to build any case Quite honestly I voted you because you used your own logic to cast a vote, but only followed through with half of your logic as another vote wasn't brought forth. So, best thing I've seen so far and thus you have my attention.

However if someone in here pushes the awesomeness of Bush, freedom fries, and declares repeatedly why the USA is so star spangled awesome then they would probably get my vote at this point because I think they are trying too hard and hiding something.

That's you queue there mandy...lol

There was no logic to my first vote. It was just to bug BG (a joke vote). So I don't see how I didn't follow through with some logic I had started. I didn't vote BG because he is loud our quiet. All I had done was mention that talking D1 doesn't get you in trouble (BG's stated reason for clamming up D1) but often we run out of ideas really quickly and just go for who talks least.

Anyway, I too am surprised that Winston is playing - he never confirmed as far as I can tell, but I don't have time to double check that or anything. I just play by gut mostly as I don't have time to do real research.

vote TWR

by **mandalorian2298** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:08 pm

Epitaph1 wrote:I agree with Rag's comment about dakky. Adding up the posts at this point in the game isn't helpful as most of the talk has been joking around. It's only turning serious on page 4.

I took BuJaber's comment about masons to be a joke. LSU did mention masons in the rules, but that could mean nothing. Would be crazy if Bu was scum and one of his buddies is a scum mason.

The FOS and vote on TWR are both weak. Scum usually doesn't come out and say "I'm going to be quiet so I don't get lynched today." Yeah, it's not good to make such a comment as it doesn't contribute to the discussion, but I don't think TWR just gave himself away by making such a comment.

IGMEOY mandalorian and bujaber

Well, between my voting 'one of the better Town players' and my FOSing TWR because I am naive enough to think that he might give himself away by making such a comment, I can hardly blame you.

Please, feel free to correct any future misconceptions that I am sure to have.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:24 pm

dakky21 wrote:I agree with Epi and Rag about me not helping town, but at this moment I can only stick to the post count as scum almost always tends to be silent, especially on D1. Unfortunately no one voted for a mod or Arnold Schwarzenegger so I can stick to that and no one made any obvious mistake so far. Except mitch, who didn't react to my joke vote on him as he normally reacts. Only after I asked why didn't he react, then he wrote something, expecting to be funny as always, but this time I think he may not be town. So my vote on him stands.

So your logic is what with Mitch? What mistake did Mitch make if he is indeed an "evildoer"?

I find it interesting how you first agree you did not help Town and then add a resounding BUT after after it, Then throw in some self depreciating humor to magnify your past mistakes that got you lynched.

by **mandalorian2298** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:49 pm

Ok people, we are two days in with three to go until deadline. Unless someone at work rudely interrupts me with work, you can expect my first batch of conclusions in the next 14 hours. (or at least a post saying the the connection got interrupted, causing CC to log me out and deleting two f-ing pages of text again and I will re-write it once I'm done shaking with rage).

If anyone is feeling like they know my thinking well enough to be able to offer a preview, by all means do show off.

And if there is any old rival out there eager to show himself to be a better scum-hunter then I...then he should know that there is no shame in sitting quietly and looking pretty.

by **BuJaber** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:07 pm

No way Mandy..I'm not doing the work for you

. I have an initial list of potential allies, another for scummy personalities, and another for no clue.
I'm expecting some overlap so don't disappoint.
As of now my vote stands.

by **dakky21** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:18 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
dakky21 wrote:I agree with Epi and Rag about me not helping town, but at this moment I can only stick to the post count as scum almost always tends to be silent, especially on D1. Unfortunately no one voted for a mod or Arnold Schwarzenegger so I can stick to that and no one made any obvious mistake so far. Except mitch, who didn't react to my joke vote on him as he normally reacts. Only after I asked why didn't he react, then he wrote something, expecting to be funny as always, but this time I think he may not be town. So my vote on him stands.

So your logic is what with Mitch? What mistake did Mitch make if he is indeed an "evildoer"?

I find it interesting how you first agree you did not help Town and then add a resounding BUT after after it, Then throw in some self depreciating humor to magnify your past mistakes that got you lynched.

Mitch didn't react to my joke vote as he ordinary does. Nuff said. I'm just provoking to see how will all of you react, that's just meta since we played a lot of games together. So far I'd say your attack on me was good, but I'd also say you're town.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:30 pm

So now your reaction to Mitch was a trap?

by **dakky21** on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:40 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:So now your reaction to Mitch was a trap?

It was a joke vote but his response was different.
Meta only and FOS on Mitch with vote on him being already placed.
First as joke, remaining as serious.

by **the white rose** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:44 am

lol, i was right, attracted 3 votes cos i simply said I am keeping quiet cos everytime i post i get lynched.

how is that scummy?

how about this, is this scummy?

I am scum so you had better vote me off now.

For the record, I am definitely pro town, so it is not me looking scummy that gets me votes, it is you guys who cannot read me and always think i am scum, sometimes you know i do get a town role.

but hey, don't let that stop you from lynching me if you really think i am scum

by **Ragian** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:58 am

dakky21 wrote:I agree with Epi and Rag about me not helping town, but at this moment I can only stick to the post count as scum almost always tends to be silent, especially on D1. Unfortunately no one voted for a mod or Arnold Schwarzenegger so I can stick to that and no one made any obvious mistake so far. Except mitch, who didn't react to my joke vote on him as he normally reacts. Only after I asked why didn't he react, then he wrote something, expecting to be funny as always, but this time I think he may not be town. So my vote on him stands.

See, this is helpful! Granted it might be a tad subjective for others to follow, but a subtle change in meta is something you want on record. The votecount right after your post doesn't have you voting Mitch, though... What gives?

Mitch votes dakky. This is getting interesting. Looks like an OMGUS vote. Since the day is short, I'm going to unvote vote mitch. OMGUS vote and failing to meet meta are hints of an unclean consciousness.

I can be persuaded to vote for TWR, though...

the white rose wrote:For the record, I am definitely pro town, so it is not me looking scummy that gets me votes, it is you guys who cannot read me and always think i am scum, sometimes you know i do get a town role.

but hey, don't let that stop you from lynching me if you really think i am scum

If all town players could state something along those lines, too, while scum and what not refrain from doing it, we should have this game sorted really quickly.

Also, hinting at people's inabilities usually gets one nowhere.

by **BuJaber** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:37 am

Post count is important. Maybe Dakky was bringing it up a little too soon, but a lot of the times it's a very good indicator. In real life you can maybe play it off as someone being shy. But in a forum? Who's shy about posting stuff on the internet? So the way I see it people who don't post much are either townies who are just clueless and/or not confident in themselves and afraid of being in the spotlight, or they're scum who don't want to attract attention to themselves and/or say something that gives them up.

D1 is a special case for sure. So I probably wouldn't vote an inactive player on D1, but if someone starts to show a pattern, then here's a FOS in advance.

TWR's defense is really strange. I'm not even sure you can call it a defense. I suppose he could have some sort of suicider role; but it's all rather sketchy. I can see a townie getting frustrated because people are voting to lynch him/her, but this kinda sounds like he's given up altogether.

by **Ragian** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:01 am

I don't think anyone is arguing against the importance of post counting. I was saying, however, that offering up only a post count raises red flags with me because it's an easy way to appear helpful without having to commit.

by **Epitaph1** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:51 am

I agree with Rag on the post count point.

Mod, can you please prod Winston?

I'm eager to hear Mandy's conclusions. So far, we've had mostly joking and the game's only begun to get half serious in the last day. For some reason, I'm expecting reads on subtle hints a la Storr.

Anyone else have some reads?

I don't put too much into the dakky/mitch exchange. They always go after each other this early.

I'd rather go after those pressuring TWR rather than him for reasons previously stated.

Everyone else I don't have a strong opinion.

BuJaber wrote:No way Mandy..I'm not doing the work for you . I have an initial list of potential allies, another for scummy personalities, and another for no clue.
I'm expecting some overlap so don't disappoint.
As of now my vote stands.

Mandy and Bu said they have some reads but haven't shared them. Let's hear them.

by **jbfloyd** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:14 am

While, I don't want to tempt fate, nor drawing the ire of the Great and All Powerful Mod, I don't feel like he'll impose a deadline of Tomorrow because there seems to be discussion, and it's a bit late to announce a deadline so short into the future. I think maybe a deadline of early next week to keep this thing from dragging.

It seems like we need to start building a consensus to move towards a claim, etc. etc. etc. and get to stuff that is actually actionable. So I've become a very lazy mafia player in my old age and since D1 is hard/luck I won't spend too much time digging deep into minutia of off-hand jokes to push a case.

Right now, I'd say there are two categories of people that have caught my interest:

Category 1: Non posters/D1 agnostics - BG, White Rose, WinstonTurqhill

BG - I was just trying to wind him up. Bringing in meta - he's playing not different than usual in this game and I'd hate to lose his ability to read people, although his powers haven't been as strong as they once were

White Rose - Played the "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" defense when his lack of contribution drew attention. I can understand his attitude. Hell, he almost seems like BG's multi. But you know, you gotta come up with some reason to pressure someone D1. He didn't really soft-claim, but I felt his post also had a note of "you'll be sorry if you pursue this further" attached to it.

Winston - Pretty sure he's not playing at this point. We could just lynch him so the mod doesn't have to worry about replacing him. Does that count as making the Mod happy?

Category 2: The role players

The ones who are running with the flavor (Mandy and a few others, I think...) are having fun. I'm don't think they should be targeted for D1, but I have a (usually wrong) intuition that overly flavorful posting can be a diversionary tactic. I also feel like getting overly excited about the game might be a scum tell, because it's kind of a rush of adrenaline to know things that others don't while the rest of us flail around blindly, so there can be a tendency to get more into it. I wholeheartedly encourage the having of the fun, but it probably will make me pay a little more attention going forward to make sure the intentions are honorable.

Anyway, hoping for a vote count. My vote's on rose right now. It's mostly a "what do ya got to offer?" challenge, but feeling that we need to move toward legit pressure I want a clearer idea of viable options to evaluate. Rose might be one, so the vote stands for now. If/when I change, it will probably be a bandwagon. This counts as a largish game to me and don't see how else something gets done D1.

Fp'd by Epi

by **mandalorian2298** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:41 am

Hi guys. Sorry, but I'm not feeling so good. I'll write more when I'm feeling better.

On the subject of deadlines, I agree with jbfloyd. And no, I'm not just saying it because it's the Townie thing to say, but because, I don't see the fun in playing the game where most people post less then once per Day and there is a 5 day deadline. If I'm Town I don't see the fun in begging people to play the game that they signed up for and if I'm scum I don't see the fun in winning over someone who didn't turn up for the match. I'm sorry for not speaking up before I signed up, but I really didn't know then that there would be deadlines.

by **dakky21** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:54 am

jbfloyd wrote:Winston - Pretty sure he's not playing at this point. We could just lynch him so the mod doesn't have to worry about replacing him. Does that count as making the Mod happy?

See, this particular sentence in the middle of your thread got my attention. First, what would town have from lynching the inactive and second, why do you care about a mod? This was a pure scum play, as you want to lynch anyone, even an inactive. BIG FOS on you.

by **HotShot53** on Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:16 am

the white rose wrote:lol, i was right, attracted 3 votes cos i simply said I am keeping quiet cos everytime i post i get lynched.

how is that scummy?

how about this, is this scummy?

I am scum so you had better vote me off now.

For the record, I am definitely pro town, so it is not me looking scummy that gets me votes, it is you guys who cannot read me and always think i am scum, sometimes you know i do get a town role.

but hey, don't let that stop you from lynching me if you really think i am scum

This sounds like a post from a suicide bomber to me...

dakky21 wrote:
jbfloyd wrote:Winston - Pretty sure he's not playing at this point. We could just lynch him so the mod doesn't have to worry about replacing him. Does that count as making the Mod happy?

See, this particular sentence in the middle of your thread got my attention. First, what would town have from lynching the inactive and second, why do you care about a mod? This was a pure scum play, as you want to lynch anyone, even an inactive. BIG FOS on you.

I agree with dakky here... wing is ready to sub in, no reason to lynch someone who is completely absent.