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[pancakemix]

@Pancake to clarify; I'm one shot bulletproof, but every-night vig.

I will make Frenchie and Firth watch the new Beiber movie one thousand times. And then shank them with a rake.

I really don't want to lynch you. That changes things, but I still wouldn't put it past Chu to do something like that. Still, considering that you should survive I wouldn't be against lynching either of you two to prove their role.

Also, Unvote vote streaker to give him a pr.

[ShaggyDan]

One-shot means I can take a bullet and survive right? Yes I am, and I can also survive 1 lynch.

I'm only one shot-bulletproof, not lynch-proof. I will die from a lynch. If you can also survive a lynch then you would be a better option. There's no reason to worry about losing it after having your claim confirmed as you won't be lynched down the track. If you said using your lynch-proof stops you from killing tonight that will also help minimise overlap between us.

And looking at the wording you posted it would probably be best to clarify with fircoal (if we have time) if you would survive a lynch as well. If what pancake said is right about there being a chance of there actually being 2 vigs there's a chance we're both telling the truth. Though this close to deadline we don't have any other leads, and we need a lynch.

Firth and Frenchie will be forced to listen to ABBA for 6 years, at the end they will beg for death. Instead of giving them that; I will play 'Dancing Queen'.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Ok guys. I'm about 90% sure I know who shaggy is. Everyone unvote him. I have some role specific information on a certain character in this game (my pm doesn't name him as shaggy, but all the hints are starting to point that way). His role is connected with mine.

I have a special ability that only affects this character that my pm describes. Let me use it on him tonight and see if it works. If it does, then I know what his role is for sure and I will share it with you all tomorrow. If it doesn't work, then he could be anything and we are back at square 1.

Shaggy, don't kill (if indeed you have a kill) tonight under any circumstance. If you do, you will probably get lynched tomorrow.

[Anarkistsdream]

Actually, I have so far deduced that there are multiple Beloved Princesses and Vigs in this game, so there is no doubt in my mind that you could both be telling the truth, assuming one of you isn't lying like a bitch.

[firth4eva]

Ok guys. I'm about 90% sure I know who shaggy is. Everyone unvote him. I have some role specific information on a certain character in this game (my pm doesn't name him as shaggy, but all the hints are starting to point that way). His role is connected with mine.

I have a special ability that only affects this character that my pm describes. Let me use it on him tonight and see if it works. If it does, then I know what his role is for sure and I will share it with you all tomorrow. If it doesn't work, then he could be anything and we are back at square 1.

Shaggy, don't kill (if indeed you have a kill) tonight under any circumstance. If you do, you will probably get lynched tomorrow.

I will shoot you tonight. Explain yourself fully to save yourself. You are his mafia buddy, I am sure of it

[ShaggyDan]

Agreed with Firth. If it's within the rules share it now. The prospect of possibly being back at square 1 on D2 is a terrible idea, you've given us nothing other than a "trust me" which is worth nothing at the moment. Also at no point did you say this power would affect me (or town) positively. You could be a third party who's win condition is to have me dead? More info is definitely needed.

Firth and Frenchie will be shot by the large guns. Then the petite guns. Then the beautiful guns. Then the petite guns again. Then the beautiful guns again. Then I will snoo-snoo them powerfully... Then the beautiful guns again.

[safariguy5]

Ok guys. I'm about 90% sure I know who shaggy is. Everyone unvote him. I have some role specific information on a certain character in this game (my pm doesn't name him as shaggy, but all the hints are starting to point that way). His role is connected with mine.

I have a special ability that only affects this character that my pm describes. Let me use it on him tonight and see if it works. If it does, then I know what his role is for sure and I will share it with you all tomorrow. If it doesn't work, then he could be anything and we are back at square 1.

Shaggy, don't kill (if indeed you have a kill) tonight under any circumstance. If you do, you will probably get lynched tomorrow.

I will shoot you tonight. Explain yourself fully to save yourself. You are his mafia buddy, I am sure of it

Linked roles don't necessarily mean mafia. And anyways, vig kills on Night 1 aren't too great unless we're pretty sure there is a mafia or there is a jester. If streaker really is the jester, kill him.

[firth4eva]

Mr_Squirrel needs to share. Remember that part of my role that I didn't share? If he says this one thing, then I know him, and by default shaggy, are mafia.

[pancakemix]

Same, I'm not a fan of the "Come with me if you want to live" play here. That's so vague it could mean anything.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Agreed with Firth. If it's within the rules share it now. The prospect of possibly being back at square 1 on D2 is a terrible idea, you've given us nothing other than a "trust me" which is worth nothing at the moment. Also at no point did you say this power would affect me (or town) positively. You could be a third party who's win condition is to have me dead? More info is definitely needed.

You know, attacking the only player who is defending you is not the brightest idea....

Firth, because you are so adamant, I am a psychiatrist. I have been told that there is a cannibal in this game. Each night I can target someone and see if they are the cannibal. If I find him, supposedly I will make him 'normal'. Now, because shaggy claimed vig, and because he has been talking like he has a gore fetish, I deduced that he is probably the cannibal. I was planning on checking him tonight. If he showed up as not being the cannibal, then he was either mafia or you were. Its a good thing we have such smart vigs in this game, who don't threaten to kill people at the drop of a hat.

So if you want to lynch shaggy, be my guest. He is most likely the cannibal and anti-town. The only reason i am trying to save him is because if I don't, my role is nothing more than a glorified VT. However at this point Im kind of hoping he gets lynched because he is ungrateful and stupid for refusing me.

[Fircoal]

Due to the recent circumstances I decided it'd be more interested if I prolonged the deadline two more days. Note this is not because I'm taking pity on you fools but rather because I'm interested to see what happens next.

[ShaggyDan]

I'm not a cannibal. If I was I would admit and try to get 'recruited' to town in this situation. I tried to give you a hint to my role flavour in my post asking you to explain. The 'gore fetish' is due to the PR. Does this info help you at all Firth/Squirrel?

And it's valid for me to get defensive to you as saying "trust me, I know what's going on" although stopping lynching, doesn't help a great deal.

Firth and Frenchie you will be slain with spoons. Rusty spoons. Propelled by gunpowder through a tube.

I'm not quite sure what to make of all this, or what the next best move is. I still stick with the lynch you if you are lynch proof, then in night I try to prove I'm a vig by killing? Though I'm not sure if I should kill tonight (based off what other people have said). Anyone have any advice? If we really are both vigs then mafia are probably laughing pretty hard right now.

[firth4eva]

Cannibal would explain the fakeclaim of vig and forcing me to claim. Vig is easy to pass off as he can "prove" he is vig to the town by shooting who they want. Lynch shaggy, I am almost sure he is anti-town

[Streaker]

Cannibal would explain the fakeclaim of vig and forcing me to claim. Vig is easy to pass off as he can "prove" he is vig to the town by shooting who they want. Lynch shaggy, I am almost sure he is anti-town

Shaggy's behaviour has been pointing to anti-town all game. I am NOT a lyncher, and i'm willing to vote anyone else if there is a better target.

[firth4eva]

Cannibal would explain the fakeclaim of vig and forcing me to claim. Vig is easy to pass off as he can "prove" he is vig to the town by shooting who they want. Lynch shaggy, I am almost sure he is anti-town

Shaggy's behaviour has been pointing to anti-town all game. I am NOT a lyncher, and i'm willing to vote anyone else if there is a better target.

There is no better target. And if you're mafia you can't be a lyncher target so it's a pretty safe bet

[ShaggyDan]

@Streaker: How have I been pointing to anti-town all game? I joke voted, misunderstood what a PR was, got a PR, had to claim and now we're here.

I earlier put forward the concept of possibly confirming two vigs through lynching the lynch-proof vig claim. If we can try and piece together the night kills in D2 to confirm two townies. Or how about this; Firth can use his vig-kill on me, my one-shot bulletproof will stop it. Would that be proof enough?

A question to everyone; as a vig should I kill night 1, with not very much info to go off from other players is it best to blind kill?

If I was scum I would have claimed cannibal to survive another night or get a further claim from someone. It's an easy play that would get me out of a trap, cannibal would probably not counter-claim. If I'm town there's no reason for me to lie, if I'm scum I would have false-claimed as a cannibal.

Other than that, I don't really know if there's anything else I can say.

We need a lynch before the dead-line (I personally think it's very bad for town to go to night without a lynch) so just to confirm my vote: Vote Firth for the reasons I've said in previous posts. If he's lynch-proof vig we lose no town, if he's counter-lying scum we hit scum. Minimal bad case scenario for town. Firth can use his kill on me at night time, to prove the bullet-proof if he wants (unless you believe in the concept of a bulletproof scum, which I personally find crazy... but then again this game looks a bit that way). I believe that would result in two confirmed vigs for town? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Firth and frenchie; you will watch me perform the single ladies dance in lichra. And you will enjoy it. I will then shoot you repeatedly whilst gyrating. Oh yeah, sexy deadly dance moves.

[Anarkistsdream]

My problem was the pushing for Mr. Squirrel to claim. I have a hard time believing that it was absolutely necessary.

FOS Firth

However, I also don't much believe you, Shaggy.

FOS Shaggy

Once a few others weigh in- since few have on this case- then we'll see where my vote goes.

[pancakemix]

A question to everyone; as a vig should I kill night 1, with not very much info to go off from other players is it best to blind kill?

No. The likelihood of hitting town is to high.

@Squirrel: If Shaggy's a cannibal, wouldn't it be better to just lynch him? It's just an SK variant, IIRC. Why shouldn't we just take care of him now?

[firth4eva]

A question to everyone; as a vig should I kill night 1, with not very much info to go off from other players is it best to blind kill?

No. The likelihood of hitting town is to high.

@Squirrel: If Shaggy's a cannibal, wouldn't it be better to just lynch him? It's just an SK variant, IIRC. Why shouldn't we just take care of him now?

A bulletproof SK at that. We need to lynch him or he'll get at least 1 kill and if we refuse to lynch him tomorrow he will shoot someone else. He is clearly anti-town. If you waste my life mafia WILL kill me tonight. If you insist on lynching me to prove it, I will require doc protection but if that's what I have to do to ensure you kill the scum... Still, I'd rather not waste my life and just lynch shaggy today. Just read his posts! Gah, you guys! He's all over the place.

[ShaggyDan]

However at this point Im kind of hoping he gets lynched because he is ungrateful and stupid for refusing me.

Sorry, I overlooked this before but I did mean to respond to it. I'm sorry if I came across ungrateful, but if I didn't pressure you we'd be in a worse situation tomorrow. You'd get a negative result and I'd most likely get lynched being called scum. This way you know not to target me and can target someone else (giving you a chance to I assume 'recruit' a serial killer into town).

As I said before if I was the cannibal I'd welcome to be targeted and recruited to town at this point, would seem like a much bigger chance of survival/winning.

I'm going to butt-out for a while (I feel I may be posting a bit too much in this thread) but as a final abridged defence (as we're near a deadline and I'm on the block):

1. If I were scum; why would I claim vig? Surely I'd claim cop (or doc) to out a more powerful role?
2. I again apologise for the bulletproof noob-claim. Claiming bulletproof vig may have been enough to get mafia to counter-claim to get me killed the only way they can.
3. I'm not the cannibal.
4. I put forward the motion that Firth can test my bulletproof claim by targeting me tonight. It would prove that he is a vig and that I am bulletproof. Which I believe would confirm my claim (unless you believe in a possible bulletproof mafia).

[ShaggyDan]

EBWOP: Frenchie and Firth will be attached to each other like in 'The Human Centipede' and then I will throw cats at them.

[firth4eva]

I'm going to butt-out for a while (I feel I may be posting a bit too much in this thread) but as a final abridged defence (as we're near a deadline and I'm on the block):

There's no way you're going to submarine now pal!

1. If I were scum; why would I claim vig? Surely I'd claim cop (or doc) to out a more powerful role?
You claimed vig because you are a role that is capable of shooting and can therefore obey town's commands to shoot X or Y, thus making your claim seem valid
2. I again apologise for the bulletproof noob-claim. Claiming bulletproof vig may have been enough to get mafia to counter-claim to get me killed the only way they can.
that's not a defence...
3. I'm not the cannibal.
neither's this
4. I put forward the motion that Firth can test my bulletproof claim by targeting me tonight. It would prove that he is a vig and that I am bulletproof. Which I believe would confirm my claim (unless you believe in a possible bulletproof mafia)
this makes no difference if you are a bulletproof SK/cannibal which is much more believable as SK's have a very low win %, therefore needing something extra to help them, as well as a very high frequency in Fircoal games.

His votes are flying all over the place, OMGUS! He is challenging Mr Squirrel despite what he posted. He is asking about how to play as vig at this stage. He is almost definitely scum

[ShaggyDan]

Okay, I did say I wasn't going to post for a while but I'm not going to not respond to that. I wasn't intending to submarine, I was intending to let other people weigh in before this goes on so they don't come back to 3 or 4 pages of me on every other post. But I guess if I'm the one being questioned it makes sense to give people info to go through.

So from what I gathered from your responses to my 1-4 it seems you think I'm not mafia but rather a SK. I already said why I'm not the cannibal, but just to be repeat: if I was the cannibal I would gladly be recruited into town in this position and would have encouraged Squirrel to investigate / save me.

And since when is it bad to ask how to play vig if people know you are the vig? If you're outed then why not have your night kill be used the way the town would want rather than taking it upon yourself?

"His votes are flying all over the place." I haven't changed my vote since I put it on you from when you counter claimed me. There's been no alternative to change it to.

Quote where I "challenged Mr. Squirrel despite what he posted". All I said was it would be a waste for him to investigate me tonight. Though if you want to confirm that I'm not the SK then have him investigate me tonight. If you're not worried about me being mafia but rather the cannibal SK (I'm assuming there's only the one SK) then having Squirrel investigate me would stop all of those worries, correct? Squirrel targets me; I come up clean we're all good as far as me not being a serial killer. You target me and I come up bulletproof and that proves my vig claim (this is assuming that mafia are very rarely bulletproof, I've never really played with it before so I'm not sure if this would prove my claim?).

We don't lose too much in the way of night actions; by you targeting me at night gives you a target(the impression I get is that Vig shouldn't kill blind N1 anyway, so this gives you a target), the only loss is that Squirrel uses his power not on the Cannibal.

Firth and Frenchie will have hungry scorpions place in their buttocks, and ants under their gonads.

[Anarkistsdream]

Unvote
Vote Shaggydan

I apologize if this all happened due to your newness to the game, Shaggy, but you really have come off as insanely scummy.

[safariguy5]

Here's the problem with making Mr. Squirrel claim. Now that mafia know who he is, what's to prevent them from offing him, leaving you completely free to kill townies, pushing the game to LyLo faster? Just to be safe, I think that offing you today bypasses the pesky bp, and prevents the chance of you killing someone tonight as SKers usually cannot forgo a NK. I'm willing to take Mr. S as a VT and alive over him dead and you having BP and with a claimed vig probably going down to a mafia NK.