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[theherkman]

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If that were meant as a joke, I can tell you it's not funny.

It was not at all meant as a joke. I was quite serious. If squirrel has no appreciation for me unvoting him, and trying to be sarcastic with me, i can put that vote right back on him.

Was trying to be nice by unvoting him, so his response was unnecessary.

VioIet... Try to lighten up... You don't want to be our D1 lynch...

Unvote vote herkman
Idk why I feel so disturbed by this post, but it seems like he is trying to warn vio or buddy with her (although I can't see herk being subtle enough to try buddying someone). After seeing how he plays in my briarsburg game, this seems like a subtle hint toward a mate to be careful. I can't really explain much, but let's just say that this post alone gives me a strong hunch that the two of them are somehow connected. Maybe they are lovers in the resteraunt, or siblings, but the possibility remains that they may be scummies. It's more of a hunch than a scumtell, but from my experience hunches are just as good.

For those who desire a more analytical view, consider the context of this post. As anyone who has seen him play can tell, herk basically posts anything and everything that comes to mind. Now, if this is true why would he feel the desire to warn violet of anything? I have seen how he is a very aggressive player and basically makes accusations all over the place. Trying to help another seems unlike him unless he is somehow tied to them. Thats just my interpretation though.

First off, f*ck YOU! Where the f*ck do you get off talking about my play style in an ongoing game? Shut the f*ck up! What the hell is your problem? You don't get to comment on shit that others have no idea about! Just because you are modding New Briarsburg doesn't mean you get to talk about my playstyle, my role, or anything else! SHUT THE f*ck UP!

Second, see above.

[ga7]

Unvote Vote Herk because I haven't read anything but the post above me seems scummy

[DrewDude]

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

[aage]

Unvote Vote Herk because I haven't read anything but the post above me seems scummy

I agree. Herk, cool down. Jump into a water barrel. Dive into a lake. I don't care. Just... stop doing whatever you think you're doing. Mr. Squirrel is saying nothing (I repeat, nothing) about your role in Briarsburg, he's commenting on the difference in playstyle.
Besides, if he says you're scummy in this game because you act differently, it's only positive to the briarsburg game. Oh, and stop whining, you megalomaniac.

@DrewDude: yeah... pretty much everything you just suggested is scummy. vote drewdude.

[aage]

Oh, and stop whining, you megalomaniac.

Right, I'll take this back, but I hope you get the point...

[theherkman]

Unvote Vote Herk because I haven't read anything but the post above me seems scummy

I agree. Herk, cool down. Jump into a water barrel. Dive into a lake. I don't care. Just... stop doing whatever you think you're doing. Mr. Squirrel is saying nothing (I repeat, nothing) about your role in Briarsburg, he's commenting on the difference in playstyle.
Besides, if he says you're scummy in this game because you act differently, it's only positive to the briarsburg game. Oh, and stop whining, you megalomaniac.

I don't give a shit. As mod he DOES NOT need to say a single word about how my playstyle relates to my role AT ALL!!!! He knows what my role is and he know both my day and night playstyle, so for him to say a single fucking word about it is bullshit. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GAME IS ONGOING! What the f*ck is your problem Mr. Squirrel?!?!

[aage]

Wait, so as a mod you can't say anything about players in your game? I think that leaves about 3 players left here that can build a case...

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Vote Count

Mr. Squirrel: 3 votes (Victor Sullivan, aage, Vioiet)

Victor Sullivan: 1 votes (spiesr)

jeraado: 1 vote (safariguy5)

Fircoal: 1 vote (Haggis_McMutton)

Haggis_McMutton: 1 vote (jeraado)

ga7: 1 vote (xuereb)

Vioiet: 2 votes (FloresDelMal, theherkman)

theherkman: 4 votes (Victor Sullivan, Mr. Squirrel, Fircoal, ga7)

DrewDude: 1 vote (aage)


I don't think it's my place to decide about metagaming, but I like to assume a mod will do anything on a whim to screw with their players if they haven't clearly written otherwise, but you all can trust me.

Still 8 to lynch, I think.... might need to recheck that. Next person to post the random letter I'm thinking of gets a post restriction. and uhhh deadline is next Wednesday.

[theherkman]

Wait, so as a mod you can't say anything about players in your game? I think that leaves about 3 players left here that can build a case...

I am saying that he can't talk about the specific play style as opposed to my role in an ongoing game. NO ONE ELSE HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THIS EXCEPT HIM! It is wrong for him to comment on it while the game is ongoing. His comment is making a correlation to something no one else can possibly know. The way I am acting in an ongoing game and my role in that game. This is some serious fucking bullshit.

[jeraado]

unvote. vote herk for the biggest over-reaction of all time

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The letter is H, for Hot.

The temperature continued to drop, the old tablecloth that the waitress draped over the window frame did little against the blasting cold, but still the customers did not give in, they came in and were seated by the staunch Maitre d' who did his best not to shiver at the entrance.
Suddenly the sous chef gathered everyone together "Let's take a break to enjoy some warm soup, it's on me."
It smelled too delicious to hold back the first to take a gulp was theherkman, he burned his tongue and will scream out in pain should he use the letters "L" or "N", should he stifle his pain in his next post instead, none of you will be aware of the scorching soup and the next three players to post after him with have the same PR for the rest of the day-phase.

[Fircoal]

I am confused by this pr thingeh...

[spiesr]

I am saying that he can't talk about the specific play style as opposed to my role in an ongoing game. NO ONE ELSE HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THIS EXCEPT HIM! It is wrong for him to comment on it while the game is ongoing. His comment is making a correlation to something no one else can possibly know. The way I am acting in an ongoing game and my role in that game. This is some serious fucking bullshit.

If you are afraid that he will say something in this game that will cause you to be outed in scum in the other game, well then you may at least have some valid reason to be upset. But, this last post seems to indicate that you may just be mad because he is using his knowledge from that game to meta-game you. I don't see anything wrong with that. Whether or not it is logically the best course to take is up for debate, but there isn't any reason that he can't pursue this course of argument. If you think he is wrong, then present some sort of logical argument to counter it. If you think that he is scum and deliberately trying to frame you, then make some argument to that effect. This isn't how you go about disagreeing with his theory. It makes me wonder if this is how you react when you are mafia and someone calls you out on it? Do you get pissed and try throw them away? I haven't seen you play enough games to be sure, but if it is, then it is as poor of game play as DrewDude's plan of purposefully acting scummy in every game.

[Fircoal]

The only thing wrong about Squirrel making this case is that it comments on an ongoing game. However because it is his game it is his choice on whether to say that info or not. If I were in the same situation I wouldn't have done the same but meh, it's a choice that he gets to make. Also I would liek to say that Herkyderky's defense only makes him seem scummiar.

[Mr. Squirrel]

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If that were meant as a joke, I can tell you it's not funny.

It was not at all meant as a joke. I was quite serious. If squirrel has no appreciation for me unvoting him, and trying to be sarcastic with me, i can put that vote right back on him.

Was trying to be nice by unvoting him, so his response was unnecessary.

VioIet... Try to lighten up... You don't want to be our D1 lynch...

Unvote vote herkman
Idk why I feel so disturbed by this post, but it seems like he is trying to warn vio or buddy with her (although I can't see herk being subtle enough to try buddying someone). After seeing how he plays in my briarsburg game, this seems like a subtle hint toward a mate to be careful. I can't really explain much, but let's just say that this post alone gives me a strong hunch that the two of them are somehow connected. Maybe they are lovers in the resteraunt, or siblings, but the possibility remains that they may be scummies. It's more of a hunch than a scumtell, but from my experience hunches are just as good.

For those who desire a more analytical view, consider the context of this post. As anyone who has seen him play can tell, herk basically posts anything and everything that comes to mind. Now, if this is true why would he feel the desire to warn violet of anything? I have seen how he is a very aggressive player and basically makes accusations all over the place. Trying to help another seems unlike him unless he is somehow tied to them. Thats just my interpretation though.

First off, f*ck YOU! Where the f*ck do you get off talking about my play style in an ongoing game? Shut the f*ck up! What the hell is your problem? You don't get to comment on shit that others have no idea about! Just because you are modding New Briarsburg doesn't mean you get to talk about my playstyle, my role, or anything else! SHUT THE f*ck UP!

Second, see above.

Analyzing a player's style is not illegal. In fact it is done all the time. (in fact, I always get worried when I see chu acting serious) And I didn't say anything about your role. I merely said that your actions in Briarsburg revealed you to be a generally aggressive player and that what you said to vio was not typical of you. That is what I based my comment on, nothing else. Anyone can read the briarsburg game or any game on this forum for that matter. Your response means I struck a nerve and you probably wouldn't be nearly as angry if my analysis wasn't true. Now, I am not saying anything about you except that you are probably connected in some way to vio.

I would never reveal any information that would lead to any repercussions in the briarsburg game, or any ongoing game for that matter. I chose my words very carefully when I posted so that I didn't.

my original vote was a joke vote. when i realized he had four other joke votes on him, i quickly unvoted. Thought that was the right thing to do as for as the game is concerned. Not fair for one to have four votes on them with no evidence or leads, and we don't want a careless lynch. So I was alarmed- unvoted, and asked how many needed for a lynch, so I could be more cautious from that point on. As well as others. Usually mods include how many votes needed for a lynch in their vote count post. It wasn't in there, so I asked.
I thought it was the right thing to do. And what was the response I get???? WTH!!!!
The vote is not personal; squirrel is very nice outside of mafia. I just did not appreciate the snarky, sarcastic non-helpful comment. That doesn't sit well with me.

See this post I made:

To be honest, I was just baiting violet with my petty accusations on her posts to gauge others' reactions. Her posting wasn't all that scummy, but it was easily construed as such.

I was just acting the antagonist in order to get the game moving and watch the reactions of different players. We have quite a few people in this game that I have never played with so I wanted to see how they would react. I have no real evidence against you, nor do I have any reason to think you are scummy.

[safariguy5]

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Drew, you're probably new and haven't gotten much experience. That said, you should know that Day 1 should never end with a no lynch unless we get some information. Forcing a roleclaim through voting is giving us the information that will help find the scum.

unvote vote DrewDude

[Fircoal]

Analyzing a player's style is not illegal. In fact it is done all the time. (in fact, I always get worried when I see chu acting serious)

Gee thanks

[Fircoal]

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Drew, you're probably new and haven't gotten much experience. That said, you should know that Day 1 should never end with a no lynch unless we get some information. Forcing a roleclaim through voting is giving us the information that will help find the scum.

unvote vote DrewDude

I find it suspicious that you seem to meh at Squirrel's case yet jump on Drew for something that may be scummy but a normal incorrect solution for a new player to come across. Also it's not the roleclaim that is what helps us find the scum but rather the voting patterns.

[safariguy5]

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Drew, you're probably new and haven't gotten much experience. That said, you should know that Day 1 should never end with a no lynch unless we get some information. Forcing a roleclaim through voting is giving us the information that will help find the scum.

unvote vote DrewDude

I find it suspicious that you seem to meh at Squirrel's case yet jump on Drew for something that may be scummy but a normal incorrect solution for a new player to come across. Also it's not the roleclaim that is what helps us find the scum but rather the voting patterns.

As I pointed out before, the relationship between Herk and VioIet may not be scummy. I definitely support some sort of investigation on one of them, but I don't believe the evidence really convinces me that this is stronger than a classic scumtell. Yes, Herk is overreacting and yes this discussion on playing styles and metagaming is very interesting, but it doesn't help us find scum.

[Fircoal]

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Drew, you're probably new and haven't gotten much experience. That said, you should know that Day 1 should never end with a no lynch unless we get some information. Forcing a roleclaim through voting is giving us the information that will help find the scum.

unvote vote DrewDude

I find it suspicious that you seem to meh at Squirrel's case yet jump on Drew for something that may be scummy but a normal incorrect solution for a new player to come across. Also it's not the roleclaim that is what helps us find the scum but rather the voting patterns.

As I pointed out before, the relationship between Herk and VioIet may not be scummy. I definitely support some sort of investigation on one of them, but I don't believe the evidence really convinces me that this is stronger than a classic scumtell. Yes, Herk is overreacting and yes this discussion on playing styles and metagaming is very interesting, but it doesn't help us find scum.

But the thing about Herky is I don't get why he'd make such a big case about it unless it hurt him. I have a feeling that if Squirrel was correct in his anyalis and they were both town, Herky would have admitted that straight up.

[DrewDude]

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Drew, you're probably new and haven't gotten much experience. That said, you should know that Day 1 should never end with a no lynch unless we get some information. Forcing a roleclaim through voting is giving us the information that will help find the scum.

unvote vote DrewDude

I can't say that I've gotten any forum mafia games under my belt but I do have a decent amount of experience with real-time mafia playing which is why I can at least get a grip of my surroundings. Voting for me may not help your cause depending on the path you are forced to take in this game but I will say it will be rather hard to fabricate roles that haven't been announced to my knowledge. As for day one I can only speak from experience with real-time mafia so if that doesn't necessarily apply to forum mafia then by all means disregard it but the fact of the matter is we're all going to argue and point fingers without any real concrete evidence so if you wish to use the mis-lynch that's acceptable. It's most preferable in games where the mafia do not know each other until the night phase to attack before they can link up. Seeing as this is probably not the case it still is acceptable just you're taking a shot in the dark really unless the scum really do slip up.

[aage]

Well, we know 1 thing for sure, Herk's aggressive gameplay just came back.

Seeing his last post (and the fact that if he is talking the truth in the briarsburg game squirrel can't be the only player having knowledge of his role, meaning if he is telling the truth here he pretty much screwed that game up [seeing the whole team rocket thing] ) I'm more convinced that he's not just overreacting because he's paranoid. I think he's also overreacting because he's badly afraid of being lynched on day 1.

unvote vote THM

[Haggis_McMutton]

Interesting developments here.

1. Drew.
He doesn't seem all that scummy tbh, he's said something that like 75% of new players say around here. Also, regarding the "always act scummy" theory, no that's not a good way to play because on D1 in any game it'll mean that you are either actually scum, or a very unhelpful townie who will hinder the scum hunt for the whole duration of the game, and thus you'll likely get lynched.

2. Herk.
When i first read Mr. S' theory I thought it was forced. It did seem slightly out of character for herk to make that post if he had no link to Violet, but it didn't seem significant to me.
However, his reaction to the accusation ... wow ...

He's already at L-2 I think, so FOS herk.
You'd better post an actual defence soon and not just:

SHUT THE f*ck UP!

[FloresDelMal]

For those who desire a more analytical view, consider the context of this post. As anyone who has seen him play can tell, herk basically posts anything and everything that comes to mind. Now, if this is true why would he feel the desire to warn violet of anything? I have seen how he is a very aggressive player and basically makes accusations all over the place. Trying to help another seems unlike him unless he is somehow tied to them. That's just my interpretation though.

this it's true, i hadn't made the link before Mr squirrel spelled it out so nicely for us, but the herk is a player that seems to have a knack for conflict and flaming, and he is always quick to throw accusations without even try to construct a real case, but i have never ever saw him give a constructive critic to someone, or act kindly for that matters, this in itself is more of a character trait than a scum tell, but see him change his behavioral pattern so suddenly and get out of his way to be helpful of violet it does grant some suspicion, and i really don't see anything bigger or better going on right now FOS herk

First off, f*ck YOU! Where the f*ck do you get off talking about my play style in an ongoing game? Shut the f*ck up! What the hell is your problem? You don't get to comment on shit that others have no idea about! Just because you are modding New Briarsburg doesn't mean you get to talk about my playstyle, my role, or anything else! SHUT THE f*ck UP!

Second, see above.

seriously, for over react that much squirrel REALLY must have touch a sensitive spot, townies don't go on blind rage just for the lol's and what he discussed is your playing style, which anyone can check by themselves just swinging by the thread of the game mentioned above, is not a big secret, and he revealed nothing that could actually have any kind of influence in the other running game, what he did is called meta-gaming, not my favorite strategy, but better than stick to joke votes and whatnot, so get over it and get used to it, you are accountable for your actions, here or anywhere else unvote vote herk

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch.

no lynch only helps scum,the town need lynches in order to get information and advance, since most of us cant rely on night actions for shade light into the matters, and also a player who says "oh i always act scummy whether i'm scum or not, so ppl must get used to ignore my scummy behavior or suffer the consequences because i might be a power role" is just showing how selfish and mediocre it is, a player like that is never an asset to town because not only mislead town, but hurt it from the inside, we already have to take care of scum, we don't need to deal with this kind of BS, without mention that putting this little comment out there could work as a preventive move for claim innocence when you do start to even scummier, i don't like it at all FOS drewdude

[jeraado]

I agree with the above two posts, however since flores' vote puts herk at l-1, I'm going to unvote
However, that's only because I want to hear from herk about his hissy fit. Any explanation that doesn't cut it and my vote will be going back on.
Also drew, I'm not making allowances because 'you always act scummy'. Act scummy and I'll assume its because you're scum.