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Dices - my enemy?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:08 am
by Mr_Niels
please staff of conquer club, make something thats fair to everyone! i keep loosign important situations that cost me the game! those dices keep killing ALL my men and do very little damage to the other one. im really pist off.. i love this game.. but come on, those dices are horrible!

maybe its because i live in Europe, because when my enemy is from the USA i keep losin! there's nothing wrong with my tactics!

-Mr_Niels

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:13 am
by comic boy
I find that when the dice cheat me the best thing to do is sit in the middle lane of a motorway and play with a packet of razor blades.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:16 am
by Mr_Niels
Ha-ha, very funny. :sick:

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:19 am
by Dancing Mustard
No... seriously.

Bad Dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:38 am
by skipper john
I begin every attack with -2. Every attack, every turn, in every game... for the past 10 games or so. I always pay at least 2 for 1 from then on. How is this possible? That isn't just bad luck. That is bad programing!

Re: Dices - my enemy?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:45 am
by owenshooter
Mr_Niels wrote: those dices are horrible!


that is incredibly funny... thanks for making my morning...-0

Re: Bad Dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:01 am
by comic boy
skipper john wrote:I begin every attack with -2. Every attack, every turn, in every game... for the past 10 games or so. I always pay at least 2 for 1 from then on. How is this possible? That isn't just bad luck. That is bad programing!


No its bad luck !
Do you think the entire site stops while you take your 10 turns so the dice can set up a sequence to screw you, its random !

Re: Bad Dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:21 am
by HayesA
comic boy wrote:
skipper john wrote:I begin every attack with -2. Every attack, every turn, in every game... for the past 10 games or so. I always pay at least 2 for 1 from then on. How is this possible? That isn't just bad luck. That is bad programing!


it's random !


Since when???? :wink:

Re: Dices - my enemy?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:33 am
by SirSebstar
Mr_Niels wrote:maybe its because i live in Europe, because when my enemy is from the USA i keep losin! there's nothing wrong with my tactics!

-Mr_Niels


Maybe its your strategy to keep loosing?

bad dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:55 am
by skipper john
"No its bad luck !
Do you think the entire site stops while you take your 10 turns so the dice can set up a sequence to screw you, its random !"

Impossible! When I role a -2, most often -2's follow till I run out of troops. There is nothing random about that. Perhaps there is an "asterisck" after my log in name that the computer recognizes? There is something other than "random" going on here!!!!!

Re: Bad Dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:55 am
by Plutoman
HayesA wrote:
comic boy wrote:
skipper john wrote:I begin every attack with -2. Every attack, every turn, in every game... for the past 10 games or so. I always pay at least 2 for 1 from then on. How is this possible? That isn't just bad luck. That is bad programing!


it's random !


Since when???? :wink:


Since they started using random numbers! Oh wait, rereading that, that was sarcastic, wasn't it <_<

It's called bad luck, everyone has it every once in a while, few people I know have had bad luck streaks over 20-30 games, but then had good luck for quite a few afterwards.

Get over it.

Re: bad dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:58 am
by Plutoman
skipper john wrote:"No its bad luck !
Do you think the entire site stops while you take your 10 turns so the dice can set up a sequence to screw you, its random !"

Impossible! When I role a -2, most often -2's follow till I run out of troops. There is nothing random about that. Perhaps there is an "asterisck" after my log in name that the computer recognizes? There is something other than "random" going on here!!!!!


It is random. You are forgetting the fact that there are over a hundred THOUSAND people playing - all rolling dice.

Some people are going to have streaks of bad luck. It's called statistics. Go out and learn some math and chances before complaining.

Like I said, get over it. The numbers are random, but with as many people playing as there are, some people are going to get screwed on the dice.

Re: bad dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:14 am
by joecoolfrog
skipper john wrote:"No its bad luck !
Do you think the entire site stops while you take your 10 turns so the dice can set up a sequence to screw you, its random !"

Impossible! When I role a -2, most often -2's follow till I run out of troops. There is nothing random about that. Perhaps there is an "asterisck" after my log in name that the computer recognizes? There is something other than "random" going on here!!!!!


Option A) Im having a run of bad luck.
Option B) A computer generated string of numbers is picking on me.

Its a tough decision :lol:

Re: bad dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:38 am
by jiminski
joecoolfrog wrote:
skipper john wrote:"No its bad luck !
Do you think the entire site stops while you take your 10 turns so the dice can set up a sequence to screw you, its random !"

Impossible! When I role a -2, most often -2's follow till I run out of troops. There is nothing random about that. Perhaps there is an "asterisck" after my log in name that the computer recognizes? There is something other than "random" going on here!!!!!


Option A) Im having a run of bad luck.
Option B) A computer generated string of numbers is picking on me.

Its a tough decision :lol:


You are missing a vital point in all this Joe!

Professor Hans-Jeurgen Hamman of the Stuttgart University dicovered what he coined as the 'Santa Claus affect'!

The S.C.A. is a little like karma in essence but with the vital variable of psychokinesis.
Very simply put and in context; Skipper feels responsible for a certain amount of his own negative behaviour! i.e. Santa or 'fate' in this case, will not reward the badly behaved.

As such his 'guilt' is having an adverse effect upon the number matrix. The negativity within his consciousness is transfered via the electrical impulses in his neurological pathways and is translated into a multi-platform, somewhat, metaphorical binary.

This in turn gives the negative 'luck' due to perception of its inevitability and indeed due to the users belief that they do not warrant success.

Hamman also found the same S.C affect was true to physical dice rolling; the 'hot streak' being its antithesis!

Re: bad dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:43 am
by AlbroShlo
jiminski wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
skipper john wrote:"No its bad luck !
Do you think the entire site stops while you take your 10 turns so the dice can set up a sequence to screw you, its random !"

Impossible! When I role a -2, most often -2's follow till I run out of troops. There is nothing random about that. Perhaps there is an "asterisck" after my log in name that the computer recognizes? There is something other than "random" going on here!!!!!


Option A) Im having a run of bad luck.
Option B) A computer generated string of numbers is picking on me.

Its a tough decision :lol:


You are missing a vital point in all this Joe!

Professor Hans-Jeurgen Hamman of the Stuttgart University dicovered what he coined as the 'Santa Claus affect'!

The S.C.A. is a little like karma in essence but with the vital variable of psychokinesis.
Very simply put and in context; Skipper feels responsible for a certain amount of his own negative behaviour! i.e. Santa or 'fate' in this case, will not reward the badly behaved.

As such his 'guilt' is having an adverse effect upon the number matrix. The negativity within his consciousness is transfered via the electrical impulses in his neurological pathways and is translated into a multi-platform, somewhat, metaphorical binary.

This in turn gives the negative 'luck' due to perception of its inevitability and indeed due to the users belief that they do not warrant success.

Hamman also found the same S.C affect was true to physical dice rolling; the 'hot streak' being its antithesis!


call me crazy but that actually makes some sense....

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:39 pm
by Smugs
I've been following these dice threads a little bit since I joined and all I have to say is that I've rolled 5 and 6 consecutive numbers (that is, rolling x number 5 or 6 times in a row) at least 7 or 8 times since I started playing. (Maybe 20-30 games)

I understand statistics and variance and the Gambler's Fallacy and other associated concepts but some of these results are so out there as to defy explanation.

The discussions about the RNG site returning multiple results over a series of clicks seems not only reasonable, but downright likely.

I could literally sit here and roll dice for the rest of my life and not roll six ones in a row, several times over, within a limited sample of 1,000 rolls. It's just not going to happen.

Oh well. I guess I've spent 25 bucks on worse things.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:49 pm
by Plutoman
Smugs wrote:I've been following these dice threads a little bit since I joined and all I have to say is that I've rolled 5 and 6 consecutive numbers (that is, rolling x number 5 or 6 times in a row) at least 7 or 8 times since I started playing. (Maybe 20-30 games)

I understand statistics and variance and the Gambler's Fallacy and other associated concepts but some of these results are so out there as to defy explanation.

The discussions about the RNG site returning multiple results over a series of clicks seems not only reasonable, but downright likely.

I could literally sit here and roll dice for the rest of my life and not roll six ones in a row, several times over, within a limited sample of 1,000 rolls. It's just not going to happen.

Oh well. I guess I've spent 25 bucks on worse things.


?

Sample of 1000 rolls, and you'll roll 6 1's likely at least once, possibly several times.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:51 pm
by Plutoman
Also, if anyone truly has complaints that the numbers aren't random, go complain at random.org. That's where it all comes from, so blame them and get them to change if you want. They'll tell you the same thing we've been telling you.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:28 pm
by AlbroShlo
Plutoman wrote:Also, if anyone truly has complaints that the numbers aren't random, go complain at random.org. That's where it all comes from, so blame them and get them to change if you want. They'll tell you the same thing we've been telling you.


I have my doubts it is Random.org. I also have my doubts this site is completely protected against malicious programmers and hackers. I have seen threads about people hacking the site more than once.

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying i understand all the programming hullabaloo, but i do believe it is possible for someone to manipulate the dice between Random.org and CC.

BTW - it's dice not dices. dice is the plural of the word die.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:15 pm
by Smugs
Plutoman wrote:
Smugs wrote:I've been following these dice threads a little bit since I joined and all I have to say is that I've rolled 5 and 6 consecutive numbers (that is, rolling x number 5 or 6 times in a row) at least 7 or 8 times since I started playing. (Maybe 20-30 games)

I understand statistics and variance and the Gambler's Fallacy and other associated concepts but some of these results are so out there as to defy explanation.

The discussions about the RNG site returning multiple results over a series of clicks seems not only reasonable, but downright likely.

I could literally sit here and roll dice for the rest of my life and not roll six ones in a row, several times over, within a limited sample of 1,000 rolls. It's just not going to happen.

Oh well. I guess I've spent 25 bucks on worse things.


?

Sample of 1000 rolls, and you'll roll 6 1's likely at least once, possibly several times.


Not in a row you probably won't. Much less several times. That's just math.

Yes, I get it about random.org. I'm just of the mind that somehow multiple results are getting sent from the database they use for this site.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:16 pm
by Smugs
Plutoman wrote:Also, if anyone truly has complaints that the numbers aren't random, go complain at random.org. That's where it all comes from, so blame them and get them to change if you want. They'll tell you the same thing we've been telling you.


And frankly this argument doesn't fly when I've paid my money to this site. *shrug*

Re: Bad Dice

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:08 pm
by HayesA
Plutoman wrote:
HayesA wrote:
comic boy wrote:
skipper john wrote:I begin every attack with -2. Every attack, every turn, in every game... for the past 10 games or so. I always pay at least 2 for 1 from then on. How is this possible? That isn't just bad luck. That is bad programing!


it's random !


Since when???? :wink:


Since they started using random numbers! Oh wait, rereading that, that was sarcastic, wasn't it <_<.


Yeah, sorry, I sometimes forget that sarcasm meters are in short supply these days.

On topic: If I may be so bold, good sir, might I suggest planning for bad dice? Have an idea of what you will do when you start getting a few bad rolls. Also, auto attack is very much a bad thing. I, furthermore, suggest using simply the attack button. That way you only lose 2 armies at once.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:13 pm
by owenshooter
AlbroShlo wrote:Don't get me wrong i'm not saying i understand all the programming hullabaloo, but i do believe it is possible for someone to manipulate the dice between Random.org and CC.


wait... you JUST figured this out? ha!!! you haven't been offered a dice hack in a PM, email, or Instant Message? took me all of a week on CC before i bought my first dice patch... welcome to the real world, homeschooler... good guys always finish last!!!-0

p.s.-want to set up some games?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 pm
by Twill
owenshooter wrote:
AlbroShlo wrote:Don't get me wrong i'm not saying i understand all the programming hullabaloo, but i do believe it is possible for someone to manipulate the dice between Random.org and CC.


wait... you JUST figured this out? ha!!! you haven't been offered a dice hack in a PM, email, or Instant Message? took me all of a week on CC before i bought my first dice patch... welcome to the real world, homeschooler... good guys always finish last!!!-0

p.s.-want to set up some games?


The poor guy is going to think one of these things actually exist.

There isn't a way to manipulate the numbers between random.org and here because we pull them over in one top secret batch and store them on our server, so unless you actually hack into our server there isn't a way to manipulate the dice, so fret not for they are safe ;)

(p.s. if a dice hack does exist, can I please have one, my score sucks!)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:34 pm
by hecter
Twill wrote:There isn't a way to manipulate the numbers between random.org and here because we pull them over in one top secret batch and store them on our server, so unless you actually hack into our server there isn't a way to manipulate the dice, so fret not for they are safe ;)

Of course if you were able to do that I doubt that you would give yourself better dice and instead just, y'know, steal a boat load of money from CC...