unfair dice rolls

[bryguy]

for some reason whenever someone with a lower rank goes against someone with a really high rank, the person with the lower ranks gets 2s and 3s while the higher ranked person gets 6s, i think that is very unfair, and i know this is true cause i have in just 1 day played about 20 2 player games against higher ranked people, and this has happened in all of them

[Sir. Ricco]

for some reason whenever someone with a lower rank goes against someone with a really high rank, the person with the lower ranks gets 2s and 3s while the higher ranked person gets 6s, i think that is very unfair, and i know this is true cause i have in just 1 day played about 20 2 player games against higher ranked people, and this has happened in all of them

well I just played you and when I was rolling againest one armys, Almost all the time i was loseing 1 or 2 or even 3 troops. So I was even.

[bryguy]

for some reason whenever someone with a lower rank goes against someone with a really high rank, the person with the lower ranks gets 2s and 3s while the higher ranked person gets 6s, i think that is very unfair, and i know this is true cause i have in just 1 day played about 20 2 player games against higher ranked people, and this has happened in all of them

well I just played you and when I was rolling againest one armys, Almost all the time i was loseing 1 or 2 or even 3 troops. So I was even.

that game was an exception, it was one of the few that i stayed in that long cause of dice rolls

[greenoaks]

so you lied in your initial post that it happened in all of them

[lord voldemort]

bryguy u know better to make a new thread. random.org is random. if yyou have a problem...then YOU solve the problem giving lack another viable option. good day to you sir.
ps twill is this nicer??

[MeDeFe]

It's because many highrankers are premium+ members, and they get an automatic +1 to their dice. Premium+ is a hidden status offered to a very select group of people who personally know Lackattack or Twill. It's essentially the secular version of sacrificing a virgin at new moon to appease the Dice Gods and receive their blessing. But the sacrifice is a lot more stylish, so I declined their offer.

[Twill]

premium+ is restricted only to Lack and I...and yet it still does us no good, our ranks still suck. (yes, at least half of that sentence was a joke)

We have absolutely nothing to gain by rigging the dice in favour of higher ranked members, in fact, it would be better for the site to right them against the higher players to get more people into the competition and slow inflation a bit.

Voldy, not much, but you're getting there

Twill

[oVo]

Playing a bunch of 1v1s should have already proven to you beyond all shadow of doubt that life isn't fair and that the dice are in the realm of chance and luck. Even worse bryguy, your initial statement couldn't be farther from reality as in my experience lower ranks out roll my dice all the time.

[gdeangel]

You need to think of the shiftiing probabilities... here's what I suspect is going on... You are looking at the relative force differential and saying hey, that guy wiped me out 7-5... but every time I attack 5-3 I'm losing. Well the problem is that on a 7-5 attack you have between 2 and 4 rolls with the highest attack probability. On a 5-3, even though you still only have 2 more units than the oponent, you get just 1-2 rolls with the highest attack probabilities.

High ranked players seem to employ this fact to their advantage when they formulate a strategy. The odds of winning or splitting a 3-2 attack roll are something like 70%. The odds of winning a 3-1 attack roll are actually LOWER at 66%. Check out cyberdaniel's dice analizer - it gives the ideal odds on each attack combination (I haven't used the actual tool, but you might be surprised just to study the ideal "random" odds a little).

[sanosuke]

Was going to make a new thread for this, but might as well post it here...

Ever since I payed the $25 it seems I've had nothing but bad dice. Not saying my rolls were the best as a freebium by any means, but at least they were the normal bad luck. I've been on a horrid streak for at least 2 weeks. An example of what happens to me every single game I play at least once (if I'm lucky, more if not) is my 14 armies attack 3 (neutral or another player doesnt matter) armies and when its over and done, I have 1 army left and the other has 1-3 armies still standing. Its pathetic that I payed money just to get fustrated and pissed at a game, and I've read the topics about bad dice, everyone saying "Oh, there's nothing we can do about it, just probability" but I find this extremely hard to believe.

Edit: I play all types of games, on many different maps...1v1, doubles, tripples, or 8 player games, my rolls don't change.

[oVo]

Actually there is something you can do about it,
stop rolling before you use up all your armies
and try again next turn.

[gdeangel]

14-3... that sucks. Not being superstitious or anything, but what times are you playing at? (Becuase if the system is reading sequentially out of the random.org file, the number of simultaneous games going on could put you at a relative advantage if you are on in a sparse period, since the distribution is going to be "psedo random" only... taking every 4th entry in the file, for example, if you are playing the only active four player sequential real time at 3 am could screw up the distribution.)

[MeDeFe]

There are almost 22k active players from more or less every timezone there is, 3 months ago CC went through 850k lines per day, that's almost 10 lines per second on average. The number of members has been growing since then, so I doubt there are any sparse periods at all.

[KoE_Sirius]

for some reason whenever someone with a lower rank goes against someone with a really high rank, the person with the lower ranks gets 2s and 3s while the higher ranked person gets 6s, i think that is very unfair, and i know this is true cause i have in just 1 day played about 20 2 player games against higher ranked people, and this has happened in all of them

I dont find this to be true...I wish is was tho.

[comic boy]

for some reason whenever someone with a lower rank goes against someone with a really high rank, the person with the lower ranks gets 2s and 3s while the higher ranked person gets 6s, i think that is very unfair, and i know this is true cause i have in just 1 day played about 20 2 player games against higher ranked people, and this has happened in all of them

For some reason people with lower ranks always whine about the dice,I know this because they start 30 threads about it every day !

[gdeangel]

There are almost 22k active players from more or less every timezone there is, 3 months ago CC went through 850k lines per day, that's almost 10 lines per second on average. The number of members has been growing since then, so I doubt there are any sparse periods at all.

That's an impressive sound bite, but the bottom line is that you can have a ton of "active" players in sequential multi-player games who are in idle satus. 20,0000 "active" players sounds impressive, but even if each player carries an average of 4 games at a time, with the average game at 5 players, that could be as few as 16,000 games. Say the average player takes 12 hours to play (probably low, but then the distribution will have a bump at the low tail for freestlyes), that means only 6400 actual PLAYER-TURNS each day.

You get to the massive number of lines because each move probably averages 15 reads (that's just slightly more than 3 5-1 "uncontested attacks"). So if you want to think the read distribution is uniform, go ahead, but I'm skeptical.

[comic boy]

There are almost 22k active players from more or less every timezone there is, 3 months ago CC went through 850k lines per day, that's almost 10 lines per second on average. The number of members has been growing since then, so I doubt there are any sparse periods at all.

That's an impressive sound bite, but the bottom line is that you can have a ton of "active" players in sequential multi-player games who are in idle satus. 20,0000 "active" players sounds impressive, but even if each player carries an average of 4 games at a time, with the average game at 5 players, that could be as few as 16,000 games. Say the average player takes 12 hours to play (probably low, but then the distribution will have a bump at the low tail for freestlyes), that means only 6400 actual PLAYER-TURNS each day.


You get to the massive number of lines because each move probably averages 15 reads (that's just slightly more than 3 5-1 "uncontested attacks"). So if you want to think the read distribution is uniform, go ahead, but I'm skeptical.

Sorry but where do you get a figure of 4 average games per player from, my guess would be 3 times that !

[MeDeFe]

As of now there are about 19k active games with varying amounts of players, as for the time needed to take ones turn. I have games where I occasionally can take my turn 2 or even 3 times every day, 1 is guaranteed as long as noone deadbeats. 12 hours is definitely a too high estimate, you have to keep in mind that the fewer players are left in a game, the faster the turns will be.
It would help to know the number of logins/hour over a one week period or so. From that it would be possible to see where the peaks are and how much higher than the lows they actually are.