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Where does one post critiques on existing maps?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:50 am
by detlef
My first thought, of course, is the foundry, but perhaps that's only for maps in progress.

I bring this up because I have some serious critique for the WWII Western Front map.

For starters, Bob is inaccurate in terms of where you can attack. Maybe this is a Bob issue rather than a map issue, but there are a number of one way attacks on that map and Bob leads you to believe that you can attack the "other way" on them.

The biggest issue, however, is the restricted nature of the map. The mountains create a situation where Western Germany can be guarded by only one defense. Should you be fortunate enough to get Britain, you can guard both areas from one spot as well. Further, not only can you guard either from one spot, that spot can only be attacked from one spot. This makes it nearly impossible for the other players to gang up on a player if he is able to secure either of these areas. Meanwhile, it's pretty much open season on France from any number of spots and even Northern Italy needs to be guarded by two areas.

I do not say this because of sour grapes, I won my only game on that map by exploiting the very vantage point I mention above. And I did so without getting a ton of armies in Germany to begin with. By the end of the game, everyone, including me, realized that, more than anything else, I simply benefited from a sketchy map layout. Had the guy who initially took Germany withstood my first attack (I was the only player in position to hit him BTW), he, rather than I would have likely cleaned up. However, good dice on one turn and one turn only made my victory inevitable.

It would seem logical to, at very least, connect Italy and Western Germany or perhaps make the mountains more passable from more areas.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:02 am
by Optimus Prime
BOB tells you whether or not the connection between 2 territories is attack only, defend only, or both. You just have to put the mouse on the territory and read the line of text that appears just below the map.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:11 am
by detlef
Optimus Prime wrote:BOB tells you whether or not the connection between 2 territories is attack only, defend only, or both. You just have to put the mouse on the territory and read the line of text that appears just below the map.
Well, thanks a lot. I didn't realize that!

That solves one of the issues.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:15 am
by owenshooter
i don't use BOB... i prefer to use my mind and give it a little excercise. counting and such is a thing i have generally done my entire life and i
enjoy that aspect of conquer club. however, i keep my games under 12 (unless blitz suckers me into 20 at a time), and i understand how useful
BOB can be for those with a lot of games. plus, yeti works hard on BOB
and i'm sure it is a wonderful application. i however, am just old school
and prefer to crunch the numbers in my aging mind... it helps to fend
off the onset of alzheimers...-0

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:20 am
by detlef
owenshooter wrote:i don't use BOB... i prefer to use my mind and give it a little excercise. counting and such is a thing i have generally done my entire life and i
enjoy that aspect of conquer club. however, i keep my games under 12 (unless blitz suckers me into 20 at a time), and i understand how useful
BOB can be for those with a lot of games. plus, yeti works hard on BOB
and i'm sure it is a wonderful application. i however, am just old school
and prefer to crunch the numbers in my aging mind... it helps to fend
off the onset of alzheimers...-0
Gosh, well I shouldn't have mentioned the Bob issue first because that was relatively minor compared to the issues I had with the map. Are people enjoying this map? It would seem to me that it's pretty much a race for Germany and then it's all over.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:24 am
by owenshooter
detlef wrote: Are people enjoying this map? It would seem to me that it's pretty much a race for Germany and then it's all over.


depends on what style of game, how many players, etc... i like the map. i play it usually as a standard, doubles, no card, casual game... and the strategy changes based on deployment, etc... so, i don't think it is just about germany...-0

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:53 pm
by Twill
detlef, your best bet is to head to the foundry, read through the final foundry thread for the map to see if the problem has been brought up and reasoning given for it. If you don't find it, post your thoughts there (but be careful not to criticize too harshly as people have put a lot of effort into these maps)

You may also want to talk to gameplay cartography assistant for the best way to approach it (A full list of the staff is in the foundry)

Thanks for the post

Have a good one
Twill

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:47 pm
by Risktaker17
Its good to know I'm not the only one that just uses my brain when playing!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:59 am
by InkL0sed
Other people use your brain? :shock: