Conquer Club

So a lot of people had problems with an opposing player accidently getting all possible bonuses due to a bug.

Question is, why did so many people take it even though they knew they hadn't earned it?

Because they wanted to stay competitive? After the first person takes the advantage then it only makes sense for everyone else to do so as well.

I'd make use of it once, only in order to collect as many informations about it as possible, of course, and then report it. Now where's that pimpy-looking smiley that sort of pulls one eye down?

I'd use it to the full extent extent possible....

Integrity. It's not something everyone values, but I do. I had two games where I was awarded the 27 armies in the recent glitch, and had already began the turn, in one, I deployed the 3 I was due, and let my turn expire, and then the other, I just let the turn expire. Reported the games I was in where this was a factor (one where another player took advantage of the glitch) and each of the games were deleted. That's about the only fair way to handle it.

If you win off of a glitch you were clearly aware of, you didn't win, you cheated. But you'll have the points in the end, and likely, you're the type of person that wouldn't really care anyway.

Tempting the dark side is

I took one turn and deployed noticed I had to many men and won the game... thought something strange here went to next game same thing happened I won..... third & 4th I deployed only, went looking for topics then and did not play. wrote e tickets..

I agree... too many people care about points.

I like winning... but what's the value of winning unfairly.

I haven't had issue with extra armies... but have had issues with the game "hanging" on me mid-turn... not letting me finish my turn.

I've played some games with honorable opponents who have gone above-and-beyond in response to these glitches. I've played some with people who don't care.

Going forward... I plan to suicide or otherwise annoy players who try to win in dishonorable ways. This includes people who take advantage of glitches like the one's discussed here... and also people who employ questionable "strategies" like "missed-turn" strategy.

jsnr75 wrote:Integrity. It's not something everyone values, but I do. I had two games where I was awarded the 27 armies in the recent glitch, and had already began the turn, in one, I deployed the 3 I was due, and let my turn expire, and then the other, I just let the turn expire. Reported the games I was in where this was a factor (one where another player took advantage of the glitch) and each of the games were deleted. That's about the only fair way to handle it.

If you win off of a glitch you were clearly aware of, you didn't win, you cheated. But you'll have the points in the end, and likely, you're the type of person that wouldn't really care anyway.

Tempting the dark side is

The glitch isn't the fault of the person taking advantage of it, and so I don't think it is cheating. Cheating is a PREMEDITATED act. If someone wrote a program that would allow them unearned bonuses, that would be cheating. Sometimes banks deposit money into the wrong bank account. Does it make you a thief to keep it. No. You didn't TAKE it, it was given to you. Is it wrong, yes, but it doesn't make someone a thief. Should they have to pay the money back, yes. Should they be sent to prison, no.
In this case, if the game is deleted, fine that's fair, but how many people will get negatives because they took advantage. That would be unfair, and any comments given in a deleted game should be deleted also. A cheater is someone who intentionally manipulates a game outside the set rules to gain an advantage. Taking advantage of a bug makes someone a poor sport, and perhaps dishonorable to some degree, but not a cheat.

Jamie wrote:

jsnr75 wrote:Integrity. It's not something everyone values, but I do. I had two games where I was awarded the 27 armies in the recent glitch, and had already began the turn, in one, I deployed the 3 I was due, and let my turn expire, and then the other, I just let the turn expire. Reported the games I was in where this was a factor (one where another player took advantage of the glitch) and each of the games were deleted. That's about the only fair way to handle it.

If you win off of a glitch you were clearly aware of, you didn't win, you cheated. But you'll have the points in the end, and likely, you're the type of person that wouldn't really care anyway.

Tempting the dark side is

The glitch isn't the fault of the person taking advantage of it, and so I don't think it is cheating. Cheating is a PREMEDITATED act. If someone wrote a program that would allow them unearned bonuses, that would be cheating. Sometimes banks deposit money into the wrong bank account. Does it make you a thief to keep it. No. You didn't TAKE it, it was given to you. Is it wrong, yes, but it doesn't make someone a thief. Should they have to pay the money back, yes. Should they be sent to prison, no.
In this case, if the game is deleted, fine that's fair, but how many people will get negatives because they took advantage. That would be unfair, and any comments given in a deleted game should be deleted also. A cheater is someone who intentionally manipulates a game outside the set rules to gain an advantage. Taking advantage of a bug makes someone a poor sport, and perhaps dishonorable to some degree, but not a cheat.

SO by that logic, if you see a little old lady drop a large envelope of money on the sidewalk, then she gets into a cab. You can take the money with no regret, because you did not plan on robbing her.

Symmetry wrote:So a lot of people had problems with an opposing player accidently getting all possible bonuses due to a bug.

Question is, why did so many people take it even though they knew they hadn't earned it?

who wouldn't lol

richardgarr wrote:

Jamie wrote:

jsnr75 wrote:Integrity. It's not something everyone values, but I do. I had two games where I was awarded the 27 armies in the recent glitch, and had already began the turn, in one, I deployed the 3 I was due, and let my turn expire, and then the other, I just let the turn expire. Reported the games I was in where this was a factor (one where another player took advantage of the glitch) and each of the games were deleted. That's about the only fair way to handle it.

If you win off of a glitch you were clearly aware of, you didn't win, you cheated. But you'll have the points in the end, and likely, you're the type of person that wouldn't really care anyway.

Tempting the dark side is

The glitch isn't the fault of the person taking advantage of it, and so I don't think it is cheating. Cheating is a PREMEDITATED act. If someone wrote a program that would allow them unearned bonuses, that would be cheating. Sometimes banks deposit money into the wrong bank account. Does it make you a thief to keep it. No. You didn't TAKE it, it was given to you. Is it wrong, yes, but it doesn't make someone a thief. Should they have to pay the money back, yes. Should they be sent to prison, no.
In this case, if the game is deleted, fine that's fair, but how many people will get negatives because they took advantage. That would be unfair, and any comments given in a deleted game should be deleted also. A cheater is someone who intentionally manipulates a game outside the set rules to gain an advantage. Taking advantage of a bug makes someone a poor sport, and perhaps dishonorable to some degree, but not a cheat.

SO by that logic, if you see a little old lady drop a large envelope of money on the sidewalk, then she gets into a cab. You can take the money with no regret, because you did not plan on robbing her.

its not actually theft.

From what little I know of propertly law, if you find some money on the sidewalk, in the park etc etc you are allowed to keep it. BUT if the person who dropped the money comes to you and asks for the money. You HAVE to give it back.... whether it was spent or not.

well put

TheScarecrow wrote:

richardgarr wrote:

Jamie wrote:

jsnr75 wrote:Integrity. It's not something everyone values, but I do. I had two games where I was awarded the 27 armies in the recent glitch, and had already began the turn, in one, I deployed the 3 I was due, and let my turn expire, and then the other, I just let the turn expire. Reported the games I was in where this was a factor (one where another player took advantage of the glitch) and each of the games were deleted. That's about the only fair way to handle it.

If you win off of a glitch you were clearly aware of, you didn't win, you cheated. But you'll have the points in the end, and likely, you're the type of person that wouldn't really care anyway.

Tempting the dark side is

The glitch isn't the fault of the person taking advantage of it, and so I don't think it is cheating. Cheating is a PREMEDITATED act. If someone wrote a program that would allow them unearned bonuses, that would be cheating. Sometimes banks deposit money into the wrong bank account. Does it make you a thief to keep it. No. You didn't TAKE it, it was given to you. Is it wrong, yes, but it doesn't make someone a thief. Should they have to pay the money back, yes. Should they be sent to prison, no.
In this case, if the game is deleted, fine that's fair, but how many people will get negatives because they took advantage. That would be unfair, and any comments given in a deleted game should be deleted also. A cheater is someone who intentionally manipulates a game outside the set rules to gain an advantage. Taking advantage of a bug makes someone a poor sport, and perhaps dishonorable to some degree, but not a cheat.

SO by that logic, if you see a little old lady drop a large envelope of money on the sidewalk, then she gets into a cab. You can take the money with no regret, because you did not plan on robbing her.

its not actually theft.

From what little I know of propertly law, if you find some money on the sidewalk, in the park etc etc you are allowed to keep it. BUT if the person who dropped the money comes to you and asks for the money. You HAVE to give it back.... whether it was spent or not.

Ok it is not theft at that point, but now say you know the lady is always dropping money, is it still ok to wait around where she goes, waiting for her to drop more.?

Well- wouldn't the analogy be better if you said that the old lady dropped the money, someone else saw you take it, and then you used that money to buy a gun and robbed the witness?

That might be more akin to taking what wasn't rightfully yours and using it to take things from others.

But that's a pretty extreme analogy for any of us to employ. It's not really a question of legality, but one of morality. Nobody broke the rules, but several people spoiled the games they were playing. Of course there shouldn't be a punishment, beyond the deletion of the games, but it still seems wrong to me.

TheScarecrow wrote:its not actually theft.

From what little I know of propertly law, if you find some money on the sidewalk, in the park etc etc you are allowed to keep it. BUT if the person who dropped the money comes to you and asks for the money. You HAVE to give it back.... whether it was spent or not.

it actually IS theft. there's no such thing as "finder's keepers". what if it were not money the old lady dropped, but her infant grandchild? if you took the infant, you'd be kidnapping that child. of course, children are not property, but that's why it's considered kidnapping, and not theft. it is the same principle of moral logic, however.

i'm sure Australia has the same laws as are here in the USA, concerning such matters.

in the USA, at least, in order to obey the law, one must attempt to return the money to the old lady. say she was already off and gone in the cab... then, the legally proper thing to do is to notify the Police, and give it to them. if the old lady does not claim the money within 30 days, it is the finder's to keep.

this, of course, is operating under the common practice of someone to call the Police when they lose something, in case someone turned it in. a civil 'lost and found'.

What joy do you get when you cheat to win?