Conquer Club

Well, I just observed one of the most absurd additions to this site.

This addition is the extra time awarded to players who eliminate an opponent in a speed game, get their cards and attempt to take out another. A player can literally take an opponent out, obtain cards, eliminate 2,3,4 more players in one turn and win the game. What this does is give the advantage to a player that most likely already has one.

The concept of the speed game is just that, SPEED! If you can't finish a player off in the time allowed, 5 minutes, then you must use your head, think of a game plan for next turn and see what happens. Takes the all the fun out of the speed concept.

Very disappointing!

I agree with you, but a majority of people complained about not having enough time to do sequential eliminations like they are used to doing in standard escalating games. So here we are. People want a new game type, but they don't want to play it in a new way.

Easy fix, play non-speed games. I assume speed games are meant for quick turns and not intended for a player to stare at the monitor for 3.5 minutes and all of a sudden realize, hey I only have 1.5 mins left, oh know. I NEED MORE TIME!

I intentionally made a move in one of my games as there was only one minute remaining. With-in that minute, a fellow gamer eliminated a player, cashed his cards, received more time, eliminated another player, cashed his cards etc. until he finally eliminated me and won a game that I don't think he would have had a chance of winning.

The extra time allowed is not a fair thing maybe if a person cashes in a set then they should not receive any further time or be allowed to have the extra time to fortify but by no means should they be give more time to rampage.

I believe the original intention of speed games was so RT would run a little smoother. A lot of people used to take 5, 10 , 20 minutes to make a simple move. Speed games took the RT concept and made it more realistic as far as time goes. We no longer have to play a 1 or 2 hour game in 6, because some moron cannot pay attention to his/her turn. The extra time alloted for killing an opponent is not unreasonable as far as I can see, and will probably attract more people to speed games.

Perhaps an option button , allowing people to turn on or off the extra time feature might be needed , in order to keep you hard core speed players happy.
I personally like the extra time option and will now probably play that game type again. It will be nice to not worry about an undeserving player taking advantage , and winning a game from someone else's misfortune of the timer running out.

Great idea Richard. I think that would work out great for those who believe in the true "speed" concept.

or maybe people should realize that no matter what happens, lack will never be able to please everyone.

So take what you get, and shut up, he does enough work on this site, without having to wade through your whining

s.xkitten wrote:or maybe people should realize that no matter what happens, lack will never be able to please everyone.

So take what you get, and shut up, he does enough work on this site, without having to wade through your whining

And then you have players like s.xkitten who post nothing but crap. Apparently we can't voice an opinion on this site or you may offend some1. SIGH! Nonetheless, taking a look at your great record, I can now see why. Pointless! FYI, Lack, you do a fine fine job on this site. Sometimes, there are things that need additional components, it's not that your being bashed.

Find something else to do with your time Kitten. This isn't flame wars. It's a discussion on how to make this site even more appealing for all those who enjoy it.

I agree with you as well... once a speed game develops it's not uncommon to have a new round begin while you're still doing stuff and so you just deal with it.

Since speed games are so much fun, an option might be joining no card games.

Codeblue, where were you when everyone was yelling about there not being enough time!

But as someone stated, it's hard to please everyone. But if enough people voice their opinions about another option, perhaps Lack will listen.


--Andy

codeblue1018 wrote:

s.xkitten wrote:or maybe people should realize that no matter what happens, lack will never be able to please everyone.

So take what you get, and shut up, he does enough work on this site, without having to wade through your whining

And then you have players like s.xkitten who post nothing but crap. Apparently we can't voice an opinion on this site or you may offend some1. SIGH! Nonetheless, taking a look at your great record, I can now see why. Pointless! FYI, Lack, you do a fine fine job on this site. Sometimes, there are things that need additional components, it's not that your being bashed.

Find something else to do with your time Kitten. This isn't flame wars. It's a discussion on how to make this site even more appealing for all those who enjoy it.

I'm sick and tired of hearing/reading everyone whine about how updates never happen, and then when the do, everyone complains. Its just stupid. Lack does his best to please everyone, but there is always someone screaming for something else.

And you actually took the time to go through my 7000+ posts and label each one as crap. I'm impressed. That must have taken a long time, and yet you tell me to get a life?

Last of all, I'm quite aware of the fact that this isn't the flame wars. If it was, there would have been less logic, and more name calling.

Again, sigh. Read one post, this one, and it was enough. Thx for your insight Kitten.

codeblue1018 wrote:The concept of the speed game is just that, SPEED! If you can't finish a player off in the time allowed, 5 minutes, then you must use your head, think of a game plan for next turn and see what happens. Takes the all the fun out of the speed concept.

This is similar to the argument against changing Freestyle. People who are against the changes think that time should be factored as part of strategy.

I think it shouldn't ever have to be seriously considered.

Difference of opinions. It's just the difference between "5 minutes is enough" and "5 minutes is not enough" was too big for lack to ignore.

insomniacdude wrote:

codeblue1018 wrote:The concept of the speed game is just that, SPEED! If you can't finish a player off in the time allowed, 5 minutes, then you must use your head, think of a game plan for next turn and see what happens. Takes the all the fun out of the speed concept.

This is similar to the argument against changing Freestyle. People who are against the changes think that time should be factored as part of strategy.

I think it shouldn't ever have to be seriously considered.

Difference of opinions. It's just the difference between "5 minutes is enough" and "5 minutes is not enough" was too big for lack to ignore.

And hence the vote. If most people are for increasing the amount of time, then it'll happen, as it did. I think it's just another part of the game to consider, and you can't bring sequential escalating tactics into a speed game and expect the same rules to apply. Different game styles, different strategies. A lot of people didn't want to change their strategies, so now we have extended turns.

s.xkitten is dead on, if you don't like the speed game parameters? Don't join them. codeblue you can't have your cake and eat it too. Apparently s.xkitten can't voice an opinion without catching shit from you because... um... well, nobody can state a point of view that differs from your own without feeling the sting of your rebuttal.

On the other hand, I agree with you that a speed game's five minute rounds are plenty of time and all players should plan their moves with that in mind. Granting additional time as a conquerer's priviledge --to organize their recent aquisitions-- seems to go against the spirit of the speed game.

... and the whining continues !

Speed games aren't specifically for making strategy around 5 minutes and never were. Speed games are for quick play in exactly the same style as 'casual', 5 minutes is just the abitrary figure that is meant to allow someone to complete all moves and not hold it up. When it was discovered 5 minutes wasn't enough when making large runs, it was consulted and changed. This is the way speed games were meant to be.

i dont think this update slows down speed games enough to worry about. They are still fast.

Rocketry

oVo wrote:s.xkitten is dead on, if you don't like the speed game parameters? Don't join them. codeblue you can't have your cake and eat it too. Apparently s.xkitten can't voice an opinion without catching shit from you because... um... well, nobody can state a point of view that differs from your own without feeling the sting of your rebuttal.

On the other hand, I agree with you that a speed game's five minute rounds are plenty of time and all players should plan their moves with that in mind. Granting additional time as a conquerer's priviledge --to organize their recent aquisitions-- seems to go against the spirit of the speed game.

thank ya my dear