Conquer Club

I recently had a really sticky situation and I'd like to know what other people think. I started a 3-player RT game.

As soon as the game started one of the players asked the other for an alliance. The dude gave an ultimatum..."I'm either going to join him against you or you against him."

Pretty sucky.

So, I said to myself fine, better me than him, "I'll ally with you."

All this is in the open chat of course.

So the other guy comes back and of course gets whacked and gets all pissed off because of the alliance and deadbeats the game.

I understand he would be upset...but the truth is...those two were gonna join to whack me! Either way, I lost before I even got to play.

What would you have done?

Holy f*ck, even I find this deplorable.

Alliances in a three player game are generally shitty. For me it is only 'ok' if one player is completely dominating the board.

Asking for an alliance at the start of the game is pathetic. Accepting such an offer might actually be even worse.

If anything, you and the player that ignored the asshole asking for an alliance should have teamed up and wiped him out.

Aradhus wrote:Holy f*ck, even I find this deplorable.

Alliances in a three player game are generally shitty. For me it is only 'ok' if one player is completely dominating the board.

Asking for an alliance at the start of the game is pathetic. Accepting such an offer might actually be even worse.

If anything, you and the player that ignored the asshole asking for an alliance should have teamed up and wiped him out.

Ok, so next time I'll just let the other two team up against me because it's more noble....sheesh. If I follow your advice, I'll end up a cook with 300 positive feedbacks.

Frankly, an honorable win should be important. First thing, I'd add that fine fellow to your ignore list and let people far and wide know who it is so they can do the same.

I'd have said no and urged the other potential ally to do the same. At the beginning of a game, there should never be a need for that. (I have little use for alliances period...don't like 'em, don't use them...but some people like that aspect. In a three player game, though ? Silly.)

Good luck out there. There are plenty of honorable players to play with.

dbz

You have a score of 1138 after 130 games, cuntfudge. That, first of all, reveals a lot about your level of skill. Your readiness to accept an offer of an alliance at the start of a three player game, reveals the rest.

It has nothing to do with nobility, in my experience of CC most players would not accept the offer made because it is doucheworthy. Clearly the third player understands this, which is why he ignored the offer.

Your pitiful little excuse that you would have been teamed against holds absolutely no water because the third player ignored the offer. And, that you have played 130 games, you surely must have some understanding that alliances in 3 player games are frowned upon and very rarely happen...Unless you get two useless fucks in a game who have no skill whatsoever and the only way they know how to win is to play dirty.

Aradhus wrote:You have a score of 1138 after 130 games, cuntfudge. That, first of all, reveals a lot about your level of skill. Your readiness to accept an offer of an alliance at the start of a three player game, reveals the rest.

It has nothing to do with nobility, in my experience of CC most players would not accept the offer made because it is doucheworthy. Clearly the third player understands this, which is why he ignored the offer.

Your pitiful little excuse that you would have been teamed against holds absolutely no water because the third player ignored the offer. And, that you have played 130 games, you surely must have some understanding that alliances in 3 player games are frowned upon and very rarely happen...Unless you get two useless fucks in a game who have no skill whatsoever and the only way they know how to win is to play dirty.

Your arrogant and insulting attitude also reveals a lot about you as well. Obviously, if you took the time to look so carefully at my score, you might also have noticed I almost always play 1v1 games which greatly reduces the amount of points you can get and it severely affects your rank as well. My win percentage is only 2% lower than yours big mouth. You might see that this was only my 2nd 3-player game ever.

I took the time to get other people's opinion because I was uncertain about it. If I were a jackass, I would not have taken the time to ask what people thought.

Thanks for your insults just the same, creep.

dividedbyzero wrote:Frankly, an honorable win should be important. First thing, I'd add that fine fellow to your ignore list and let people far and wide know who it is so they can do the same.

I'd have said no and urged the other potential ally to do the same. At the beginning of a game, there should never be a need for that. (I have little use for alliances period...don't like 'em, don't use them...but some people like that aspect. In a three player game, though ? Silly.)

Good luck out there. There are plenty of honorable players to play with.

dbz

I talked to the other guy and got him to agree to let the other fellow win. I agree that games should be noble...and I have seen some of that, but I have also seen a whole lot more nastiness.

1) People losing deadbeat the game.
2) People who lose give you negative feedback.
3) People who play 2 player freestyle and spend all game hitting the refresh button so they can get a double play.

i have to agree that accepting or offering such an alliance is just silly...makes it not a game....i have no problem with alliances in general, but almost never offer one, and usually only partially accept one, and usually try to just assure the guy hes safe, but cant count on a treaty per-se...i like the unpredictability of the game, which is the true fun of it...

id say in the future, id go with the option of trying to convince the other player not to do it, too...worst case scenario, you lose...but better to lose fairly, than win unfairly....20 points is nothing in the grand scheme...

AAFitz wrote:i have to agree that accepting or offering such an alliance is just silly...makes it not a game....i have no problem with alliances in general, but almost never offer one, and usually only partially accept one, and usually try to just assure the guy hes safe, but cant count on a treaty per-se...i like the unpredictability of the game, which is the true fun of it...

id say in the future, id go with the option of trying to convince the other player not to do it, too...worst case scenario, you lose...but better to lose fairly, than win unfairly....20 points is nothing in the grand scheme...

I agree...I had two brand new players in the game. One was openly plotting to make an alliance against me before we even threw the opening dice, so I tried to nip it in the bud...I made a bad choice.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=617188

is that the game in question??

it doesnt read quite like you described it in your first post, disk.

i think it was poorly played by you.

kansas wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=617188

is that the game in question??

it doesnt read quite like you described it in your first post, disk.

i think it was poorly played by you.

You didn't see the PM.


From: Sumnerd
To: disk
Posted: 09 Jul 2007 23:18
Subject: Alliance
Its you or him. Your choice.

...the bottom line is if you read the rest of the chat, the game is not over and the right choice was made to give the game to the non-allied player.

As I said, this was only my second 3-player match ever. Normally I play 1v1 or team, so I didn't know if such alliances were commonplace. That's why I asked.

disk wrote:
Your arrogant and insulting attitude also reveals a lot about you as well. Obviously, if you took the time to look so carefully at my score, you might also have noticed I almost always play 1v1 games which greatly reduces the amount of points you can get and it severely affects your rank as well. My win percentage is only 2% lower than yours big mouth. You might see that this was only my 2nd 3-player game ever.

I took the time to get other people's opinion because I was uncertain about it. If I were a jackass, I would not have taken the time to ask what people thought.

Thanks for your insults just the same, creep.

Could you be more clueless? You asked for opinions, I gave mine, which you didn't like because it showed that your actions were wankerish, so you replied with a defensive sarcastic comment. Don't start crying you little fucking hypocrite if I bite back.

Also, the majority of my games are 5 and 6 player. Defending your win percentage by saying you only play 2 player games (where you have a 50% chance of winning), just makes you look like a bigger schmuck.

Aradhus wrote:

disk wrote:
Your arrogant and insulting attitude also reveals a lot about you as well. Obviously, if you took the time to look so carefully at my score, you might also have noticed I almost always play 1v1 games which greatly reduces the amount of points you can get and it severely affects your rank as well. My win percentage is only 2% lower than yours big mouth. You might see that this was only my 2nd 3-player game ever.

I took the time to get other people's opinion because I was uncertain about it. If I were a jackass, I would not have taken the time to ask what people thought.

Thanks for your insults just the same, creep.

Could you be more clueless? You asked for opinions, I gave mine, which you didn't like because it showed that your actions were wankerish, so you replied with a defensive sarcastic comment. Don't start crying you little fucking hypocrite if I bite back.

Also, the majority of my games are 5 and 6 player. Defending your win percentage by saying you only play 2 player games (where you have a 50% chance of winning), just makes you look like a bigger schmuck.

You're just a foul little cracker. I politely asked for an opinion and you showered me with your diahrea of the mouth.

I happen to have a 4 player team game with an opening...(616063) why don't you join so I can spank you or just shut your pie hole.

...uh...no...still not there. Afraid to lose some points off your 49% win percentage...Mr. "Serve no master but your ambition." Real noble words to live by...who's the real hypocrite here?

Let's keep it civil, eh? Opinions are like assholes anyway, we all got one and they all stink.

wicked wrote:Let's keep it civil, eh? Opinions are like assholes anyway, we all got one and they all stink.

thats just your opinion.

AAFitz wrote:

wicked wrote:Let's keep it civil, eh? Opinions are like assholes anyway, we all got one and they all stink.

thats just your opinion.

Or is it her asshole? I don't know anymore. So confused!

If you are going to play shorthanded open games you are going to run into these situations. So either you have to deal with the occasional deadbeat, 2v1, multi etc. or play with just those you know.

Wicked says to keep it civil, so i won't really speak my mind here, but you must really really care a lot about your score and rank to compromise yourself to such a base and spineless level.

The truth is , when you are in a 3 player game, it is you against 2 -end of story!!!!

You can lie to yourself but it is still you against 2