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Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:02 pm
by KaBurg
Hello everyone.

Even though I joined this game some years ago I have never played it until recently. I have just started to play this game and at first it looked very fun.
But then I started to play some more games and the results of my dice rolls are ALWAYS negative.

Its either I am rolling 1-2-1, 1-2-2, etc or my opponent rolls 6-6, 6-5.

You know when it happens in one battle. I would hit my hand on the table and say "Oh noes, I am so unlucky" and try next time. But then it happens in the next turn. And in the next turn. (It was like spending 8~9 soldiers to get a territory guarded by 2 ! )
Not only that game. It happened in another game too. In another map too.

And these are not normal losing. Do I have 6 soldier? Enemy has 2? Hmmm, maybe I can win. Lets attack. BAM! He rolls 6-6. Very good.

Every f.. time!

I mean normally when I play at home with my friends on a real board. Such things never happen. Ofcourse there are times where someone rolls bad dice over and over again. But in the long run one can see the balance of it.

Then I noticed a thread in the forum about dice rolls. I didnt read it all because that guy was accusing the CC management etc. I dont know what is going on here. But down that page I saw the post of Doctor Spin. He said:

Doctor Spin wrote:Lilice is quite right. The dice ARE manipulated - as are the dice stats. Yet, he's clearly getting better dice than me as he's a colonel. I oscillate between sergeant and lieutenant. Whenever I rise towards captain I am consistently given bullshit dice until I'm back down the ranks again.


So, my questions are:

1) How are the dice rolls calculated in this game?
2) Are the outcomes of dice rolls related to the profiles of players (aka. ranks) ?

I would appreciate an answer from a game admin or mod. Because even though this game is promising so much fun if the dice are manipulated there are no reason to waste time here.

- KaBurg

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:12 pm
by Dukasaur
The dice rolls are not manipulated.

There's always people who think they are, but they're not.

Re: chees with some WHINE about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:13 pm
by owenshooter
there are not any calculations... the entire site is rigged against you and only you... now that you have figured out your ex-girlfriend's elaborate ruse, time for us all to move on...-Jésus noir

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:16 pm
by Lord Arioch
Ignore em
Its not manipulated ...
when bad dice occurs kill a bot or 49 until dice turns back ... or sacrifice stuff to the dice god:)
Luck man!

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:11 pm
by waauw
Holy crap!! I just checked out your dice stats. Yeah those are some horrible dice. It happens though, you're just unlucky enough for receiving such so soon.
Just keep going, the dice will get better.

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:56 pm
by owenshooter
waauw wrote:Holy crap!! I just checked out your dice stats. Yeah those are some horrible dice. It happens though, you're just unlucky enough for receiving such so soon.
Just keep going, the dice will get better.

turn your trust towards the black jesus... within me, you shall find dice salvation and the key to CC success... Let Go, Let Black Jesus... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:05 pm
by Metsfanmax
Dukasaur wrote:The dice rolls are not manipulated.

There's always people who think they are, but they're not.


In other words: they don't think it be like it is, but it do.

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:19 pm
by waauw
owenshooter wrote:
waauw wrote:Holy crap!! I just checked out your dice stats. Yeah those are some horrible dice. It happens though, you're just unlucky enough for receiving such so soon.
Just keep going, the dice will get better.

turn your trust towards the black jesus... within me, you shall find dice salvation and the key to CC success... Let Go, Let Black Jesus... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir


Is that some weird kind of strawberry hovering between your hands?

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:21 pm
by ConfederateSS
-----The Dice Stats are useless..Quit looking at them.. :lol: ...Just spark up a candle..Ask The Goddess of "Victory",to bless all your dice rolls.. Sometimes she can be a Bitch.. ;) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:18 pm
by Sey69
The dice rolls are calculated by using the seed from Random.org. Totally random EVERY time! you simply had a stretch of bad luck.

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:15 pm
by owenshooter
Sey69 wrote:The dice rolls are calculated by using the seed from Random.org. Totally random EVERY time! you simply had a stretch of bad luck.

um... they have not used random.org for over three years... way to stay current!!! the black jesus is laughing at you, not with you... soundly, AT YOU...-Jésus noir

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:31 pm
by Dukasaur
owenshooter wrote:
Sey69 wrote:The dice rolls are calculated by using the seed from Random.org. Totally random EVERY time! you simply had a stretch of bad luck.

um... they have not used random.org for over three years... way to stay current!!! the black jesus is laughing at you, not with you... soundly, AT YOU...-Jésus noir

Actually, you're the one that's not keeping current...:)

It was over three years, but not the current three years.

The famous "50,000 file" was introduced in June of 2010:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=634&t=120373#p2649912

It's been said that the 50,000 file was removed in December 2013, so it would have been in use for three and a half years, but is not in use any longer.

I'm basing this on posts by degaston, who spent a lot more time researching this than anyone else:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=208325&p=4595962#p4595962
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=209751&p=4602813#p4602813

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:25 pm
by owenshooter
Dukasaur wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Sey69 wrote:The dice rolls are calculated by using the seed from Random.org. Totally random EVERY time! you simply had a stretch of bad luck.

um... they have not used random.org for over three years... way to stay current!!! the black jesus is laughing at you, not with you... soundly, AT YOU...-Jésus noir

Actually, you're the one that's not keeping current...:)

It was over three years, but not the current three years.

The famous "50,000 file" was introduced in June of 2010:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=634&t=120373#p2649912

It's been said that the 50,000 file was removed in December 2013, so it would have been in use for three and a half years, but is not in use any longer.

I'm basing this on posts by degaston, who spent a lot more time researching this than anyone else:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=208325&p=4595962#p4595962
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=209751&p=4602813#p4602813


fact, they no longer use random.org... i think that says it all, right there... none of your links have anything to do with the fact that random.org is no longer and has not been used, by CC for quite some time... i don't care about when they changed the name to intensity, cubes etc... CC no longer uses random.org...-Jn

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:16 pm
by Metsfanmax
Dukasaur wrote:It's been said that the 50,000 file was removed in December 2013, so it would have been in use for three and a half years, but is not in use any longer.


We stopped pulling from random.org sometime in 2011 IIRC.

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:33 am
by macbone
Wait, the 50,000 file isn't used any longer? What's used for dice now? Is there an algorithm used to generate dice now or something?

Re: Qustion about dice rolls

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:48 am
by degaston
Dukasaur wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Sey69 wrote:The dice rolls are calculated by using the seed from Random.org. Totally random EVERY time! you simply had a stretch of bad luck.

um... they have not used random.org for over three years... way to stay current!!! the black jesus is laughing at you, not with you... soundly, AT YOU...-Jésus noir

Actually, you're the one that's not keeping current...:)

It was over three years, but not the current three years.

The famous "50,000 file" was introduced in June of 2010:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=634&t=120373#p2649912

It's been said that the 50,000 file was removed in December 2013, so it would have been in use for three and a half years, but is not in use any longer.

I'm basing this on posts by degaston, who spent a lot more time researching this than anyone else:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=208325&p=4595962#p4595962
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=209751&p=4602813#p4602813

I never said that they stopped using the 50,000 roll file, just that I heard that they "fixed" the bias that was in it, meaning they adjusted it so that every roll (1-6) appears approximately the same number of times within the file. That removed the bias, but did nothing to make it more random. The standard C++ random number generator would repeat every 4,294,967,296 rolls. Apparently, that wasn't good enough for them when the site started, but now, repeating every 50,000 rolls is fine.

With that kind of attention to core functionality, is it any wonder the site is declining?

Re: Qustion. What the F is a QUSTION?!!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:21 am
by owenshooter
macbone wrote:Wait, the 50,000 file isn't used any longer? What's used for dice now? Is there an algorithm used to generate dice now or something?


Welcome to 2011...
Metsfanmax wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:It's been said that the 50,000 file was removed in December 2013, so it would have been in use for three and a half years, but is not in use any longer.


We stopped pulling from random.org sometime in 2011 IIRC.

the black jesus is never wrong... thank you for being as astute about these matters as the black jesus is... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir