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It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:07 pmby demonfork
My opponent just rolled 16 (sixteen) 6's in a row. I sat there in awe as my huge stack that went against a measly 4 stack was dwindled to nothing.
And then to top it off I then looked at my dice stats for my last 10 battles and it showed me as +10%
So not only are the scamclub dice completely fucking trash but the engine that keeps track of dice odds is total shit as well.
In the words of what's his name, BOLLOCKS!!!
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:23 pmby rhp 1
demonfork wrote:My opponent just rolled 16 (sixteen) 6's in a row. I sat there in awe as my huge stack that went against a measly 4 stack was dwindled to nothing.
And then to top it off I then looked at my dice stats for my last 10 battles and it showed me as +10%
So not only are the scamclub dice completely fucking trash but the engine that keeps track of dice odds is total shit as well.
In the words of what's his name BOLLOCKS!!!
Personally, I don't have an issue with the dice. sure... sometimes they're ridiculously bad, sometimes ridiculously good...
BUT.... they are obviously not random. you can't have a machine pull out numbers from a finite sample (regardless of the sample size) and call it random... that is by definition not random... I agree that the outcomes are impossible to predict, but they are certainly not random... I must admit that I have no clue if there is something better out there... even if something exists that WOULD give truly random results, there would still be huge fluctuations and you would, IMO, have just about the same number of threads complaining about the dice... I remember playing dice games as a child, rolling the dice with my own hands, and being completely flabbergasted @ the fact that it's possible to throw 20 dice and have 17 or 18 of them come up 1's... and I know that physically rolling dice is truly random.. point being, what we have may or not be the best (I have no idea) but changing it is not likely to make everyone happy... in fact, I know it won't...
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:05 pmby nietzsche
demonfork wrote:My opponent just rolled 16 (sixteen) 6's in a row. I sat there in awe as my huge stack that went against a measly 4 stack was dwindled to nothing.
And then to top it off I then looked at my dice stats for my last 10 battles and it showed me as +10%
So not only are the scamclub dice completely fucking trash but the engine that keeps track of dice odds is total shit as well.
In the words of what's his name, BOLLOCKS!!!
gl Pete
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:24 amby Serbia
Dice threads make me smile. They're so... entertaining.
Bollocks.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:54 amby gannable
agreed with Demonfork
but all you receive in return on this forum is sarcasm and patronizing responses.
many people know the dice are a serious problem, its not a few random people
apparently, its all very funny to the mods and the know it all Lay People of the forum
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:51 pmby Serbia
gannable wrote:agreed with Demonfork
but all you receive in return on this forum is sarcasm and patronizing responses.
many people know the dice are a serious problem, its not a few random people
apparently, its all very funny to the mods and the know it all Lay People of the forum
Tourney Director here. No power to make a single change regarding dice. And since I really don't take it seriously, I do admit to finding dice bitch threads funny.
Bollocks.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:35 pmby gannable
serbia,
i was pointing you directly.
it was a general comment but your response proves my point.
the dice have been a huge problem for about 3 yrs
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:49 pmby loutil
demonfork wrote:My opponent just rolled 16 (sixteen) 6's in a row. I sat there in awe as my huge stack that went against a measly 4 stack was dwindled to nothing.
And then to top it off I then looked at my dice stats for my last 10 battles and it showed me as +10%
So not only are the scamclub dice completely fucking trash but the engine that keeps track of dice odds is total shit as well.
In the words of what's his name, BOLLOCKS!!!
The first part has nothing to do with anything other than a bit of random bad luck. In a large enough sampling of dice you will find streaks of 16 in a row of a certain number.
The second part of your issue is a non issue. Clearly you could roll at a plus 10% and still lose your roll if your opponent was throwing 6's each turn. You would need to throw an average of around 3.75 to yield a 10% positive odds.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:19 pmby Army of GOD
demonfork wrote:
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:24 amby Serbia
gannable wrote:serbia,
i was pointing you directly.
it was a general comment but your response proves my point.
the dice have been a huge problem for about 3 yrs
I know you were. That's why I answered you. Doesn't change my position, or my response. And again, when it comes to dice, I have no ability to do anything. I am just like any other user on this site, with a total inability to do a damn thing about the dice. So rather than be upset by it, I choose to ignore it. It doesn't bother me.
Bollocks.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:05 amby ntcbadabing
rhp 1 wrote:demonfork wrote:My opponent just rolled 16 (sixteen) 6's in a row. I sat there in awe as my huge stack that went against a measly 4 stack was dwindled to nothing.
And then to top it off I then looked at my dice stats for my last 10 battles and it showed me as +10%
So not only are the scamclub dice completely fucking trash but the engine that keeps track of dice odds is total shit as well.
In the words of what's his name BOLLOCKS!!!
Personally, I don't have an issue with the dice. sure... sometimes they're ridiculously bad, sometimes ridiculously good...
BUT.... they are obviously not random. you can't have a machine pull out numbers from a finite sample (regardless of the sample size) and call it random... that is by definition not random... I agree that the outcomes are impossible to predict, but they are certainly not random... I must admit that I have no clue if there is something better out there... even if something exists that WOULD give truly random results, there would still be huge fluctuations and you would, IMO, have just about the same number of threads complaining about the dice... I remember playing dice games as a child, rolling the dice with my own hands, and being completely flabbergasted @ the fact that it's possible to throw 20 dice and have 17 or 18 of them come up 1's... and I know that physically rolling dice is truly random.. point being, what we have may or not be the best (I have no idea) but changing it is not likely to make everyone happy... in fact, I know it won't...
Yea that's a pretty good summary.. it seems people who have dice issues have the same dice issues which means we're all equally getting the same problem so then what's the problem? It's funny you never see anyone complaining about their wicked good dice streaks..
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:58 pmby Artimis
@
demonforkOfficial Dice Bitch ThreadIt's there for a reason, post your dice rants there ffs.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:15 amby TheForgivenOne
gannable wrote:serbia,
i was pointing you directly.
it was a general comment but your response proves my point.
the dice have been a huge problem for about 3 yrs
What do you expect him to do? Snap his fingers and make the admin's change the dice? We don't have any more leeway with making the admin's implement something than you do.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:32 amby gannable
try some reading comprehension buddy
where did i say a MOD or whoever was supposed to do anything?
my comment referenced responses that are essentially snarky whenever someone rightfully complains about the dice.
its about respect, not expecting a board moderator to run around like the 3 stooges everytime someone makes a request to improve the website.
TheForgivenOne wrote:gannable wrote:serbia,
i was pointing you directly.
it was a general comment but your response proves my point.
the dice have been a huge problem for about 3 yrs
What do you expect him to do? Snap his fingers and make the admin's change the dice? We don't have any more leeway with making the admin's implement something than you do.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:27 amby premio53
ntcbadabing wrote:rhp 1 wrote:demonfork wrote:My opponent just rolled 16 (sixteen) 6's in a row. I sat there in awe as my huge stack that went against a measly 4 stack was dwindled to nothing.
And then to top it off I then looked at my dice stats for my last 10 battles and it showed me as +10%
So not only are the scamclub dice completely fucking trash but the engine that keeps track of dice odds is total shit as well.
In the words of what's his name BOLLOCKS!!!
Personally, I don't have an issue with the dice. sure... sometimes they're ridiculously bad, sometimes ridiculously good...
BUT.... they are obviously not random. you can't have a machine pull out numbers from a finite sample (regardless of the sample size) and call it random... that is by definition not random... I agree that the outcomes are impossible to predict, but they are certainly not random... I must admit that I have no clue if there is something better out there... even if something exists that WOULD give truly random results, there would still be huge fluctuations and you would, IMO, have just about the same number of threads complaining about the dice... I remember playing dice games as a child, rolling the dice with my own hands, and being completely flabbergasted @ the fact that it's possible to throw 20 dice and have 17 or 18 of them come up 1's... and I know that physically rolling dice is truly random.. point being, what we have may or not be the best (I have no idea) but changing it is not likely to make everyone happy... in fact, I know it won't...
Yea that's a pretty good summary.. it seems people who have dice issues have the same dice issues
which means we're all equally getting the same problem so then what's the problem? It's funny you never see anyone complaining about their wicked good dice streaks..
The problem is not that everyone is getting screwed equally. The problem is why not at least attempt to remedy what is widely acknowledged and that is the dice don't reflect real world "randomness." However, unless someone can suggest a different set of dice from some third party or something, there is no remedy.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:44 pmby spelt
Yeah you have to be a certain type of "Stupid" not to understand there is a problem with the dice.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:51 amby demonfork
spelt wrote:=D> Yeah you have to be a certain type of "Stupid" not to understand there is a problem with the dice.
Yea well this is the kind of stupid that we are up against....
greenoaks wrote:do you have proof the dice results are not supported by reality?
your dice stats suggest they are spot on.
Pretty much the general response form team cc.... They just don't give a shit
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:28 amby pearljamrox2
yep, I get quite irritated over the dice at times. It's just sickening sometimes when you are on a bad streak, you just know you are going to lose.
I still trust the CC dice more than I would trust any of you rolling the dice for real. I swear some people are good at cheating with dice. If they have been rolling 6's and want to keep rolling 6's...you can toss the dice in a way that kinda jostles them..and it looks like they roll but they never catch an edge and just spin. It's cheap. Stupid fake rollers! I always insist people should use a cup, like they have for Yahtzee.
I am an honest person though, and even If I just rolled the numbers I want, I always give the dice a good tumble. After all, it's not if you win or lose, but the integrity of your roll that matters!
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:56 pmby gannable
most of the games here are one sided because of the dice. I rarely get a competitive game on this website where things are essentially balanced.
and i'm including games that went over the top in my favor.
I don't find any enjoyment in winning a game because of unrealistic dice in my favor.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:30 pmby rhp 1
again... I agree the dice are whack.... though, it appears, the dice are whack for everyone.. and I also don't think there is anything to be done that would change (or stop) "dice bitching" threads.. no matter what we use to roll the dice, there will always be (with the crazy amount of times the dice are rolled) really bad beats that will piss people off.. it's the nature of the game...
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:58 pmby Gweeedo
I am not one to bitch about the dice.
The fact that the dice are 'whack' , begs for me to bitch about the lame dice.
Had I not ever seen a chart or how bad the dice are Skewed...I would not enter a dice bitching thread.
@ CC, would it be possible for me to pay for some precision dice?
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:37 pmby AslanTheKing
i called the dicegod to adress this problem to him
he told me that if u post something stupid , he is gonna punish you big time
but after your dice get normal again,
that means, there is something you must have done in the past-
to piss off your dicegod,
but let me assure you
everything will be okay now,
since u realised the crapiness of your dice
but this is the only way to learn
and let me tell you,
i deserve my shitty dice
and i am responsible for it
so , be a man
and commit to your wrong doing and u will be fine
until u disgrace this site again ,
DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE ?
or u pay in advance the fee for the next three years with paypal
or playball
or playboy....
or
u pm me your bankinformation and i take care of the rest
and i send you this super firfox greasemonkey super dice addon
( which i only use in tournaments .. otherwise... miami vice, u know what im talking about
it will cost you only $200, or contact betiko - he got the 2011 version, still $ 25 dollars )
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:44 pmby bird45
The dice are messed up my first 25 games on this site I had -36% dice for defense and - 16% for attack. I don't care how good you are you can not win with dice like that and 25 games is way to long for it to be random.
Re: It's time for CC admin to acknowledge the dice problem
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Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:15 pmby rhp 1
bird45 wrote:The dice are messed up my first 25 games on this site I had -36% dice for defense and - 16% for attack. I don't care how good you are you can not win with dice like that and 25 games is way to long for it to be random.
See Demon? This is the problem with dice problem(bitch) threads... you have people like this that are completely clueless about statistics, random (or not) dice, and probabilities. It just turns into noise when you have someone complain about dice over a 25 game sample...