Conquer Club

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:01 pm**

Ever hear you can polish a turd but at the end of the day what do you have? Stop trying to make the site pretty and make it work! Stop with the stupid third party dice routine and work for your money. I'll write the code if you want. But stop the BS CC. Delete me now.... :lol:

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:35 pm**

spelt wrote:Ever hear you can polish a turd but at the end of the day what do you have? Stop trying to make the site pretty and make it work! Stop with the stupid third party dice routine and work for your money. I'll write the code if you want. But stop the BS CC. Delete me now....

Do you think you can write a better random number generator than any other PRNG that exists?

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:30 am**

I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:49 am**

loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

They are but they only pay for x number of random numbers. And the number of dice rolls needed for this site is far greater than x. Hence why it looks so bad.

Perhaps someone more smart than me can explain this better

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:55 am**

Let me try...yabba dabba ding dong...and a wahoozy doozy toozy.

Works the same for all of us (well most of us).
Fixed or not, we will continue to use these lousy (not so random) dice!

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:12 pm**

lord voldemort wrote:
loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

They are but they only pay for x number of random numbers. And the number of dice rolls needed for this site is far greater than x. Hence why it looks so bad.

Perhaps someone more smart than me can explain this better

Using only x number of random numbers would not account for what we are seeing as the sample is large enough to avoid this consistent variance of the number 1. Further, the site claims they are constantly acquiring new strings of random numbers but the variance never seems to change.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:03 pm**

loutil wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:
loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

They are but they only pay for x number of random numbers. And the number of dice rolls needed for this site is far greater than x. Hence why it looks so bad.

Perhaps someone more smart than me can explain this better

Using only x number of random numbers would not account for what we are seeing as the sample is large enough to avoid this consistent variance of the number 1. Further, the site claims they are constantly acquiring new strings of random numbers but the variance never seems to change.

Thats not what I was lead to believe.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:08 am**

For all of you crying... Bye, GTFO

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:27 am**

loutil wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:
loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

They are but they only pay for x number of random numbers. And the number of dice rolls needed for this site is far greater than x. Hence why it looks so bad.

Perhaps someone more smart than me can explain this better

Using only x number of random numbers would not account for what we are seeing as the sample is large enough to avoid this consistent variance of the number 1. Further, the site claims they are constantly acquiring new strings of random numbers but the variance never seems to change.

Variation at one extreme (rather than both ends or the middle) suggests to me not that the random numbers are nonrandom, but rather that there is a rounding error in the way they are processed.

Either way, it makes no practical difference to the player. You are just as likely to see the 1s on defense as on offense.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:30 am**

spelt wrote:Ever hear you can polish a turd but at the end of the day what do you have? Stop trying to make the site pretty and make it work! Stop with the stupid third party dice routine and work for your money. I'll write the code if you want. But stop the BS CC. Delete me now....

this post is hilarious,
thank you spelt, made me laugh :lol:

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:56 am**

loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

Judging from your rank, you seem to be manipulating the dice generator code as surely you aren't that good a player.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:46 pm**

From Wikipedia/Random.org:

To make sure nobody places unfair demands on the system, a limit to the number of bits supplied to a particular IP Address is enforced. Every 24 hours, up to 200,000 bits are added to each IP Address' quota. Once the quota has reached 1,000,000 bits, no more will be added. One can buy different amounts of quota top-offs in order to raise their quota, in which case the 1,000,000-bit limit is no longer enforced. The price ranges from between $1 and $5 per million bits.

I don't know how much CC is paying (or even if they're paying), but 1,000,000 bits probably doesn't last long on this site. If they're smart, they would save old sets of data and whiten it with new data in different combinations to generate as many random numbers as they need for free.

And for anyone who hasn't seen the start of all this: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=194323

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:16 pm**

i like the dice.. I'm generally a fan of the dice...

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:19 pm**

Buy money-counting machines or pay your friends in beer to count the money--while fixing the dice.

This way, all will be happy.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:26 pm**

Someone say something about beer?

Bollocks.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:35 pm**

Free beer!

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:46 pm**

loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

I've always wondered how someone can tell that something isn't random. Isn't part of randomization not having an expected outcome, yet you seem to have one?

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:55 pm**

patrickaa317 wrote:
loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

I've always wondered how someone can tell that something isn't random. Isn't part of randomization not having an expected outcome, yet you seem to have one?

One way to tell that something isn't random is if all outcomes do not have an equal probability of occurring.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:49 am**

degaston wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
loutil wrote:I do not believe CC is using a random number generator. If they are then it is somehow being manipulated or corrupted.

I've always wondered how someone can tell that something isn't random. Isn't part of randomization not having an expected outcome, yet you seem to have one?

One way to tell that something isn't random is if all outcomes do not have an equal probability of occurring.

Your screenshot of my dice is what actually occurred which is different than an equal probability of occurring.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:32 am**

patrickaa317 wrote:Your screenshot of my dice is what actually occurred which is different than an equal probability of occurring.

I would have bet money that you had rolled 1's less than 1/6th of the time before I even looked at your stats. If you're interested, you can check out the thread I referenced earlier. Or you can start picking out people at random and see if you can find anyone (with more than about 100 games) who hasn't rolled 1's much less than any other number. You might also notice that 2's and 4's are rolled the most by almost everyone.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:58 pm**

It matters little what you roll. The important point is what is rolled against you. The die are rubbish on this site, they always have been and always will be

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:18 pm**

Fruitcake wrote:It matters little what you roll. The important point is what is rolled against you. The die are rubbish on this site, they always have been and always will be

I'll never understand how you how 2000+ games played, but less than 25,000 rolls.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:25 pm**

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:41 pm**

degaston wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:Your screenshot of my dice is what actually occurred which is different than an equal probability of occurring.

I would have bet money that you had rolled 1's less than 1/6th of the time before I even looked at your stats. If you're interested, you can check out the thread I referenced earlier. Or you can start picking out people at random and see if you can find anyone (with more than about 100 games) who hasn't rolled 1's much less than any other number. You might also notice that 2's and 4's are rolled the most by almost everyone.

^^^^^^^^^
This

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:17 pm**

loutil wrote:
degaston wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:Your screenshot of my dice is what actually occurred which is different than an equal probability of occurring.

I would have bet money that you had rolled 1's less than 1/6th of the time before I even looked at your stats. If you're interested, you can check out the thread I referenced earlier. Or you can start picking out people at random and see if you can find anyone (with more than about 100 games) who hasn't rolled 1's much less than any other number. You might also notice that 2's and 4's are rolled the most by almost everyone.

^^^^^^^^^
This

I get that the dice work this way and could definitely be improved but love when people say "I expect something different than what actually happened, therefore it is not random."

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