Conquer Club

codeblue1018 wrote:Verdict is in and it's a one month ban per guidelines. Fair verdict on the mods part. Perhaps this verdict with sway further loopholes for GLG to explore once he returns especially if the next infraction results in a perma ban.

Good job c/a staff on attempting to keep things clean.

Dibbun wrote:Lol... I love how we have a big ass thread in GD about how membership is declining and part of it is because noobs/mid levels can't play complex maps and settings... the Conqueror takes time out of his busy schedule to help teach noobs freestyle and other settings, but he gets vilified.. bunch of bullshit, bad ruling made to appease the haters.

jgordon1111 wrote:

Dibbun wrote:Lol... I love how we have a big ass thread in GD about how membership is declining and part of it is because noobs/mid levels can't play complex maps and settings... the Conqueror takes time out of his busy schedule to help teach noobs freestyle and other settings, but he gets vilified.. bunch of bullshit, bad ruling made to appease the haters.

Just a question dibbun if you dont mind,you consider me a hater?

Dibbun wrote:Lol... I love how we have a big ass thread in GD about how membership is declining and part of it is because noobs/mid levels can't play complex maps and settings... the Conqueror takes time out of his busy schedule to help teach noobs freestyle and other settings, but he gets vilified.. bunch of bullshit, bad ruling made to appease the haters.

natty dread wrote:Wait, what... now it's illegal to play against sergeants etc.? I thought the farming rules only applied to NR:s?

Can someone fill me in what's going on here? Not that I care particularly, but, you know...

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden.

Dibbun wrote:Lol... I love how we have a big ass thread in GD about how membership is declining and part of it is because noobs/mid levels can't play complex maps and settings.

Dibbun wrote:the Conqueror takes time out of his busy schedule to help teach noobs

Dukasaur wrote: finding new ways to cheat that slip through loopholes in other rules.

Dukasaur wrote:The method that resulted in his second conviction was to reverse the process: instead of hosting the games, he would befriend his potential victims in live chat, and persuade them to host the game on his map and settings. He thought that because of the technicality that he was now the invitee instead of the inviter, he would evade punishment. But he didn't: the rule is that any gross abuse of the game is forbidden, whether it follows some narrow technical formula or not.

Concise description:

• Develop a site feature which do not allow public games to be playes vs opponents or teams who have more than double points than opponents

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• This will protect low ranked players from being farmed/ranched by experienced players in order to get easy points

This is idea how to improve bugs in rules which have lead to this verdict:
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=174172&view=unread#p3813311

my opinion about this (copied from deathcomesrippin's wall):
"I do not think what GLG has done is ok, but giving him ban without explain what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in his doing is just not ok and does not serve to any improvements of the site. point system obviously have bugs, and we need clear rules what is ok wand what is not ok. He is not guilty that point system developed by CC has bugs, he is just using it, and job of CC team should be to fix bugs in rules, and not to punish players who use system bugs for their own point benefit. "

so, if this suggestion gets accepted, then someone with 5000 points would be able to play vs everyone above 2500 points, what is pretty fair level of competition. average player with about 1500 points would be able to play vs opponents from 750 to 3000 points, what is aswell pretty wide range of available opponents. this suggestion do NOT apply for clan or tournament games which works around invite system of opponents who are joined together by draw. This is suggestion only for public games, and may include only 1v1 but also may include team type of games.

josko.ri wrote:It is always easier to punish someone who use loophole in rules than to admit rules are bad and try to improve the rules.

natty dread wrote:Better yet, rather than using a bandage solution of adding more and more rules, how about fixing the underlying mechanics that are causing all these problems... rehaul the scoring system, make it so there's no reason for people to play games against inexperienced players, and problem solved...

natty dread wrote:

josko.ri wrote:It is always easier to punish someone who use loophole in rules than to admit rules are bad and try to improve the rules.

Better yet, rather than using a bandage solution of adding more and more rules, how about fixing the underlying mechanics that are causing all these problems... rehaul the scoring system, make it so there's no reason for people to play games against inexperienced players, and problem solved...

josko.ri wrote:I think it is pretty low shot from C&A team to just say that he is busted without clarifying what he was done wrong, and without making precise rules what is under rules, and what is against the rules. what is conclusion of the verdict? is the conclusion that, once when you have alot of points, you are not allowed to play vs low rankers anymore? if so, why that is not written in community rules? It is always easier to punish someone who use loophole in rules than to admit rules are bad and try to improve the rules. This verdict is another case which proves that CC leaders do not have idea how to lead the site on good way, and do not have clear defined rules, where everyone will have equal treatment. Althought I think what GLG has done is unhonorable playing, I do not blame him, I blame CC management to have rules with so many loopholes. It is not weird that CC membership is declining with such a service.

Here is my suggestion how using bugs like this should be officially improved, with site feature, and not with punishing someone who is gulty only because he was able to find loophole in rules.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 6#p3813446

Concise description:

• Develop a site feature which do not allow public games to be playes vs opponents or teams who have more than double points than opponents

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• This will protect low ranked players from being farmed/ranched by experienced players in order to get easy points

This is idea how to improve bugs in rules which have lead to this verdict:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... d#p3813311

my opinion about this (copied from deathcomesrippin's wall):
"I do not think what GLG has done is ok, but giving him ban without explain what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in his doing is just not ok and does not serve to any improvements of the site. point system obviously have bugs, and we need clear rules what is ok wand what is not ok. He is not guilty that point system developed by CC has bugs, he is just using it, and job of CC team should be to fix bugs in rules, and not to punish players who use system bugs for their own point benefit. "

so, if this suggestion gets accepted, then someone with 5000 points would be able to play vs everyone above 2500 points, what is pretty fair level of competition. average player with about 1500 points would be able to play vs opponents from 750 to 3000 points, what is aswell pretty wide range of available opponents. this suggestion do NOT apply for clan or tournament games which works around invite system of opponents who are joined together by draw. This is suggestion only for public games, and may include only 1v1 but also may include team type of games.

codeblue1018 wrote:

josko.ri wrote:I think it is pretty low shot from C&A team to just say that he is busted without clarifying what he was done wrong, and without making precise rules what is under rules, and what is against the rules. what is conclusion of the verdict? is the conclusion that, once when you have alot of points, you are not allowed to play vs low rankers anymore? if so, why that is not written in community rules? It is always easier to punish someone who use loophole in rules than to admit rules are bad and try to improve the rules. This verdict is another case which proves that CC leaders do not have idea how to lead the site on good way, and do not have clear defined rules, where everyone will have equal treatment. Althought I think what GLG has done is unhonorable playing, I do not blame him, I blame CC management to have rules with so many loopholes. It is not weird that CC membership is declining with such a service.

Here is my suggestion how using bugs like this should be officially improved, with site feature, and not with punishing someone who is gulty only because he was able to find loophole in rules.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 6#p3813446

Concise description:

• Develop a site feature which do not allow public games to be playes vs opponents or teams who have more than double points than opponents

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• This will protect low ranked players from being farmed/ranched by experienced players in order to get easy points

This is idea how to improve bugs in rules which have lead to this verdict:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... d#p3813311

my opinion about this (copied from deathcomesrippin's wall):
"I do not think what GLG has done is ok, but giving him ban without explain what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in his doing is just not ok and does not serve to any improvements of the site. point system obviously have bugs, and we need clear rules what is ok wand what is not ok. He is not guilty that point system developed by CC has bugs, he is just using it, and job of CC team should be to fix bugs in rules, and not to punish players who use system bugs for their own point benefit. "

so, if this suggestion gets accepted, then someone with 5000 points would be able to play vs everyone above 2500 points, what is pretty fair level of competition. average player with about 1500 points would be able to play vs opponents from 750 to 3000 points, what is aswell pretty wide range of available opponents. this suggestion do NOT apply for clan or tournament games which works around invite system of opponents who are joined together by draw. This is suggestion only for public games, and may include only 1v1 but also may include team type of games.

I agree with most of what you said and the solutions to fix the issue. What I can't understand is that you say you don't blame GLG but blame management; I would agree with that if it were a first offense mate. It's not; it's been going on since he started this site even under his other user name. He was warned once, then continued the same practice only flip flopped. At what point do you be a man and take your initial warning to heart and change your ways? I too would like an overhaul of the scoring system and have concise rules to boot; there isn't as of now, so this is the best alternative, no? This was a fair ruling, like it or not.

natty dread wrote:Wait, what... now it's illegal to play against sergeants etc.? I thought the farming rules only applied to NR:s?

Can someone fill me in what's going on here? Not that I care particularly, but, you know...

codeblue1018 wrote:

josko.ri wrote:I think it is pretty low shot from C&A team to just say that he is busted without clarifying what he was done wrong, and without making precise rules what is under rules, and what is against the rules. what is conclusion of the verdict? is the conclusion that, once when you have alot of points, you are not allowed to play vs low rankers anymore? if so, why that is not written in community rules? It is always easier to punish someone who use loophole in rules than to admit rules are bad and try to improve the rules. This verdict is another case which proves that CC leaders do not have idea how to lead the site on good way, and do not have clear defined rules, where everyone will have equal treatment. Althought I think what GLG has done is unhonorable playing, I do not blame him, I blame CC management to have rules with so many loopholes. It is not weird that CC membership is declining with such a service.

Here is my suggestion how using bugs like this should be officially improved, with site feature, and not with punishing someone who is gulty only because he was able to find loophole in rules.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=174524&p=3813446#p3813446

Concise description:

• Develop a site feature which do not allow public games to be playes vs opponents or teams who have more than double points than opponents

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• This will protect low ranked players from being farmed/ranched by experienced players in order to get easy points

This is idea how to improve bugs in rules which have lead to this verdict:
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=174172&view=unread#p3813311

my opinion about this (copied from deathcomesrippin's wall):
"I do not think what GLG has done is ok, but giving him ban without explain what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in his doing is just not ok and does not serve to any improvements of the site. point system obviously have bugs, and we need clear rules what is ok wand what is not ok. He is not guilty that point system developed by CC has bugs, he is just using it, and job of CC team should be to fix bugs in rules, and not to punish players who use system bugs for their own point benefit. "

so, if this suggestion gets accepted, then someone with 5000 points would be able to play vs everyone above 2500 points, what is pretty fair level of competition. average player with about 1500 points would be able to play vs opponents from 750 to 3000 points, what is aswell pretty wide range of available opponents. this suggestion do NOT apply for clan or tournament games which works around invite system of opponents who are joined together by draw. This is suggestion only for public games, and may include only 1v1 but also may include team type of games.

I agree with most of what you said and the solutions to fix the issue. What I can't understand is that you say you don't blame GLG but blame management; I would agree with that if it were a first offense mate. It's not; it's been going on since he started this site even under his other user name. He was warned once, then continued the same practice only flip flopped. At what point do you be a man and take your initial warning to heart and change your ways? I too would like an overhaul of the scoring system and have concise rules to boot; there isn't as of now, so this is the best alternative, no? This was a fair ruling, like it or not.

DiM wrote:what i'd like to know is when does the score reset come. people cheat to get points. if they are warned, temporary banned or even stripped of premium, but they get to keep their points i really don't see how that would stop future cheaters from trying the same thing.
hit cheaters where it hurts them the most, the points.

lord voldemort wrote:

DiM wrote:what i'd like to know is when does the score reset come. people cheat to get points. if they are warned, temporary banned or even stripped of premium, but they get to keep their points i really don't see how that would stop future cheaters from trying the same thing.
hit cheaters where it hurts them the most, the points.

Yep...completely agree...They dont care too much if they are away for a month or whatever that punishment is...Its the points and the 'glory' of being on top that motivates them