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Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:40 am
by Crazyirishman
So recently I have made multiple games using the random map function, and it turns out some of them happened to be the same map. This is not the first time this has occured when I made 6-10 games using the random map function. This obviously cannot be random because with the 200+ maps available the same one should NEVER show in such a short amount of games, and this needs to be fixed immediately as myself and other CCers are being deprived of playing maps that are truly chosen randomly. Team CC fixed the dice so now they should focus on fixing 'random map' so that it is now random.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:42 am
by Haggis_McMutton
I think they should add a "No Map" option to help address this.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:54 am
by Army of GOD
Personally, I think the site owner, lerkatterk, is favoring premium members and higher ranking players, giving them better maps.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:05 am
by natty dread
I have 2 gigabytes of statistics on random maps on my hard drive, which prove that they are obviously not random. I can't post them however because the cat ate my hard drive.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:19 am
by jleonnn
Team CC fixed the dice? I wasn't aware, really. I'm not really as active as I used to be. But I heard the dice is affected by "atmospheric noise", whatever that is.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:29 am
by sherkaner
Expecting randomness is hard.
But the chance of 6 different maps when choosing random each time is
199*198*197*196*195/200^5 = 0.927, so about 7.3 % chance of having a map at least twice. For 10 maps, the chance is a lot larger (20.4%). So it happens, just not a lot.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:12 pm
by AndyDufresne
sherkaner wrote:Expecting randomness is hard.
But the chance of 6 different maps when choosing random each time is
199*198*197*196*195/200^5 = 0.927, so about 7.3 % chance of having a map at least twice. For 10 maps, the chance is a lot larger (20.4%). So it happens, just not a lot.

Sherkaner, I see your mathematical statistics, and raise you...well...hm,

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--Andy

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:41 pm
by phantomzero
AndyDufresne wrote:
sherkaner wrote:Expecting randomness is hard.
But the chance of 6 different maps when choosing random each time is
199*198*197*196*195/200^5 = 0.927, so about 7.3 % chance of having a map at least twice. For 10 maps, the chance is a lot larger (20.4%). So it happens, just not a lot.

Sherkaner, I see your mathematical statistics, and raise you...well...hm,

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--Andy


The monkey FTW!

All this random talk is nuts. As Sherkaner has demonstrated almost anything is possible while still being random.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:49 pm
by Teflon Kris
phantomzero wrote:As Sherkaner has demonstrated almost anything is possible while still being random.


Agreed - if anything didn't happen sometimes it wouldn't be random.

:)

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:07 pm
by AndyDufresne
Crazyirishman wrote:So recently I have made multiple games using the random map function, and it turns out some of them happened to be the same map. This is not the first time this has occured when I made 6-10 games using the random map function. This obviously cannot be random because with the 200+ maps available the same one should NEVER show in such a short amount of games, and this needs to be fixed immediately as myself and other CCers are being deprived of playing maps that are truly chosen randomly. Team CC fixed the dice so now they should focus on fixing 'random map' so that it is now random.

I think the real solution here...is to create more maps! So get into the Foundry and give feedback on some of the excellent maps currently in development so they can join the pool and make it larger: viewforum.php?f=241


--Andy

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:12 pm
by BigBallinStalin
AndyDufresne wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:So recently I have made multiple games using the random map function, and it turns out some of them happened to be the same map. This is not the first time this has occured when I made 6-10 games using the random map function. This obviously cannot be random because with the 200+ maps available the same one should NEVER show in such a short amount of games, and this needs to be fixed immediately as myself and other CCers are being deprived of playing maps that are truly chosen randomly. Team CC fixed the dice so now they should focus on fixing 'random map' so that it is now random.

I think the real solution here...is to create more maps! So get into the Foundry and give feedback on some of the excellent maps currently in development so they can join the pool and make it larger: viewforum.php?f=241


--Andy


Make more maps? No! This "random" map problem is a sign of bad things to come. Don your tin foil and/or banana hats, gentlemen.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:21 pm
by AndyDufresne
BigBallinStalin wrote:Make more maps? No! This "random" map problem is a sign of bad things to come. Don your tin foil and/or banana hats, gentlemen.

You can't go wrong with more.

Exhibit A:
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Exhibit B:
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Here is a hat for you, BBS
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--Andy

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:59 pm
by oss spy
The first post let me know that somebody has no idea how probability works.

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:45 pm
by owenshooter
in all seriousness, i seem to get suckfest maps when i play the random setting...-el Jesus negro

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:27 pm
by greenoaks
jleonnn wrote:I heard the dice is affected by "atmospheric noise", whatever that is.

farts

Re: Random map is not random

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:05 pm
by perchorin
I got WWII Eastern Front three times in a row on random recently. Hell that's a win in my book, could have been Forbidden City or Northwest Passage or even *gulp* Hive :sick: