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Postby afroaction on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:51 pm

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Accused:

rommel539
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The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
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Comments:Apparently rommel539 has been banned and no posting in this forum for the reason why? An explanation would be nice. thx.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby IcePack on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:44 pm

afroaction wrote:Accused: rommel539

Comments:Apparently rommel539 has been banned and no posting in this forum for the reason why? An explanation would be nice. thx.


Fixed. That's got to hurt all those clan games h e had going on! Ouch :/
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby theguard on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:39 pm

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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby blakebowling on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:44 pm

This isn't a C&A Report.

Also you're using the form wrong.

Also, unless he was busted for multi's, they won't tell you why (or even if) he's banned. The best scenario would be to ask him yourself.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:45 pm

It appears that he was busted for having multiple accounts.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Electricksabers on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:50 pm

Probably has to do with this

2011-11-08 09:34:36 - rommel539 was kicked out for violating the rules

2011-11-08 09:34:36 - bri12388 was kicked out for violating the rules

2011-11-08 09:34:36 - russian devil was kicked out for violating the rules


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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby sniffie on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:05 pm

blakebowling wrote:This isn't a C&A Report.

Also you're using the form wrong.

Also, unless he was busted for multi's, they won't tell you why (or even if) he's banned. The best scenario would be to ask him yourself.


Correct, the busted player can still send Andy an e-mail or E-ticket but the C&A mods will never give you an answer to your question. Confedentiel stuff between acused and acuser.

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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Orange-Idaho-Dog on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:22 pm

This is getting old... Two of our clan members with active clan games going have been banned from the site within the last week. Neither one of these players have ever broken a rule before now, apparently. Not only is this hurting our active clan wars and tournaments, it's giving our clan a bad name. Something fishy is going on here.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby IcePack on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:37 pm

shaneback wrote:Probably has to do with this

2011-11-08 09:34:36 - rommel539 was kicked out for violating the rules

2011-11-08 09:34:36 - bri12388 was kicked out for violating the rules

2011-11-08 09:34:36 - russian devil was kicked out for violating the rules
Just a guess though


Looks like it could fit the bill
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Gunn217 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:48 pm

He's been doing that for a long time. Playing himself to gain points on the rommel account.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby afroaction on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:59 pm

Ok so which forum are we supposed to ask why a teammate gets suddenly kicked out with no explanation from the mods? This affects my games and my teammates games. This starting to feel like a witch hunt on my clansman. Phulish being the first, then Rommel in a span of a few weeks, both solid players no posting in cheating reports followed by swift and hard justice from the mods without giving a chance for the accused or his friends to defend themselves or at least give them a heads up so they can. I'm sorry but the mods and the C.C. community have a duty to publicly post every accusation of suspected wrong doing before the sentence is issued. They have it all back- ass-ward and i don't like one bit. In my part of the world you're supposed be innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately in the CC world that not the way it works.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Bleed_Green on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:24 pm

I am just looking for a straight answer to my questions please. From my understanding from reading of forums and the rules that you do run ip checks quite frequently to check for multi-accounts to keep the game fair to all that play.. I am just wondering how come they are just being noticed as multi?

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Okay so each account is created years apart from one another, they play quite a few games together but I noticed that they have also played quite a few games with other players besides one another.. I am not sure how well your ip software works if it took over 2 years to catch that.. Please revisit this and if you could please point me in the direction where I can discuss that if they person is part of a clan that the clan leaders can be notified so it does not F*** up any Clan Wars etc....
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:27 pm

Actually afroaction, you have it completely wrong. There are several ways to report someone for possible breaking of the rules, and this forum is just one of them. There is no rule or right that all accusations must be posted here. I'd even venture that most of the multi busts weren't actually announced in this forum. And the mods don't go around to every accused person and ask them to defend why they might have multiple accounts. If the mod tools show that the person has multiple accounts, then they get busted for it. If a person was wrongly busted, they can appeal the decision by submitting an e-ticket, but there are no discussions pre-ban about the actions of the player.

And this wasn't the first time this user has been busted for multiple accounts, so it's not like he's always been a clean and upstanding member.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:31 pm

Bleed_Green wrote:I am just looking for a straight answer to my questions please. From my understanding from reading of forums and the rules that you do run ip checks quite frequently to check for multi-accounts to keep the game fair to all that play.. I am just wondering how come they are just being noticed as multi?

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Okay so each account is created years apart from one another, they play quite a few games together but I noticed that they have also played quite a few games with other players besides one another.. I am not sure how well your ip software works if it took over 2 years to catch that.. Please revisit this and if you could please point me in the direction where I can discuss that if they person is part of a clan that the clan leaders can be notified so it does not F*** up any Clan Wars etc....


It doesn't matter why they "just now" got caught as multis. The facts are that the user agrees when they join the site that they will only ever one account. Rommel has apparently broken that rule. The hunters obviously found evidence of him recently using multiple accounts, so that's why the bust was made. If rommel was the "good" account, then maybe you should go through and check to see the last time the other two users played games. That might tell you why he was caught.

And it's not the hunter's responsibility to make sure that every clan leader gets the privilege of a notice that a player will get banned. Maybe that player shouldn't have been breaking the rules in the first place or the clan shouldn't have had him playing for them. Clans are completely irrelevant to the enforcement of CC's #1 rule.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Gypsys Kiss on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:34 pm

Night Strike wrote:
And this wasn't the first time this user has been busted for multiple accounts, so it's not like he's always been a clean and upstanding member.


Care to elaborate?
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Evil Semp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:35 pm

afroaction wrote:Ok so which forum are we supposed to ask why a teammate gets suddenly kicked out with no explanation from the mods? This affects my games and my teammates games. This starting to feel like a witch hunt on my clansman. Phulish being the first, then Rommel in a span of a few weeks, both solid players no posting in cheating reports followed by swift and hard justice from the mods without giving a chance for the accused or his friends to defend themselves or at least give them a heads up so they can. I'm sorry but the mods and the C.C. community have a duty to publicly post every accusation of suspected wrong doing before the sentence is issued. They have it all back- ass-ward and i don't like one bit. In my part of the world you're supposed be innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately in the CC world that not the way it works.


Witch hunt?

Phulish point dumped and there was a public thread made about it. From what I was told Phulish got fed up with the dice and drops and decided to quit. He had started a bunch of speed games and stopped playing. In short he point dumped.

rommel539 got busted for multiple accounts. It was his actions that affected your games.

If we had delayed action in either of the situations then we would have been accused of dragging our feet.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Evil Semp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:50 pm

Bleed_Green wrote:I am just looking for a straight answer to my questions please. From my understanding from reading of forums and the rules that you do run ip checks quite frequently to check for multi-accounts to keep the game fair to all that play.. I am just wondering how come they are just being noticed as multi?

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rommel539 Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:18 pm

Okay so each account is created years apart from one another, they play quite a few games together but I noticed that they have also played quite a few games with other players besides one another.. I am not sure how well your ip software works if it took over 2 years to catch that.. Please revisit this and if you could please point me in the direction where I can discuss that if they person is part of a clan that the clan leaders can be notified so it does not F*** up any Clan Wars etc....


Sometimes multi accounts stay under the radar for quite awhile. Other times a member has a password from an account that hasn't been used for awhile and starts using that account for points or if freemium to get around the 4 game limit. If we only went by IP's then school kids and coworkers would not be able to play together.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby afroaction on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:50 pm

Being a mod doesn't make you Judge and Jury, but that's the way it is here. All those games active standard & teams games that Rommel & Phulish or any vacationed member that were active in should of been deleted and started over with no winners. Regardless of the accused history or ruling. Second of all Night Stalker how would you feel if someone falsely accused you, and some power hungry mod banns you without notice, fucks up a bunch of your games and teammates? That's whole problem with no public posting on rulings or accusations and swift justice.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Bleed_Green on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:59 pm

Evil Semp wrote:
Bleed_Green wrote:I am just looking for a straight answer to my questions please. From my understanding from reading of forums and the rules that you do run ip checks quite frequently to check for multi-accounts to keep the game fair to all that play.. I am just wondering how come they are just being noticed as multi?

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rommel539 Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:18 pm

Okay so each account is created years apart from one another, they play quite a few games together but I noticed that they have also played quite a few games with other players besides one another.. I am not sure how well your ip software works if it took over 2 years to catch that.. Please revisit this and if you could please point me in the direction where I can discuss that if they person is part of a clan that the clan leaders can be notified so it does not F*** up any Clan Wars etc....


I can completely understand that and since I am not aware of what tools you use for multi checks I really cannot say on the accuracy or what they are actually looking for. In the case of Phulish I understand that he got upset after the games he created and the way dice went from him that he just got ticked off and logged out. I see it from both parties points of view. But I have seen many cases were the parties got to at the very least defend themselves as per the case of Blitzaholic and the account sitting (sorry can't remember the guys name) but that went on for a few games before the other guys account was frozen. But that gave time for the parties to present their case. Yes I know that outcome of the decision and Blitz was dealt 1 month suspension :)

I do not know that this is something that can take place but when we accept someone into our clan are we able to ask the Mods to run a multicheck against their account? Just cause we obviously cannot and trust that everyone in our Clan is legit and respectful ( I am in no words stating that rommel was a multi) but would like to keep this from happening because as a clan we pride ourselves on skill and competitiveness, and when something like this happens it really hurts the clan in many aspects.

Sometimes multi accounts stay under the radar for quite awhile. Other times a member has a password from an account that hasn't been used for awhile and starts using that account for points or if freemium to get around the 4 game limit. If we only went by IP's then school kids and coworkers would not be able to play together.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:02 pm

afroaction wrote:Being a mod doesn't make you Judge and Jury, but that's the way it is here. All those games active standard & teams games that Rommel & Phulish or any vacationed member that were active in should of been deleted and started over with no winners. Regardless of the accused history or ruling. Second of all Night Stalker how would you feel if someone falsely accused you, and some power hungry mod banns you without notice, fucks up a bunch of your games and teammates? That's whole problem with no public posting on rulings or accusations and swift justice.


Your scenario doesn't work because 1) I haven't broken the rule about multiple accounts and 2) the Hunters aren't power hungry. They have specific tools that help them determine whether or not a person is using multiple accounts. If the evidence is strong enough, the person gets busted. Occasionally a bust is actually a family member, whereby the busted person submits an e-ticket and is reinstated to the site. But those instances are far fewer than the number of accounts that are correctly busted.

If you don't like what happens to games when a player is busted, then submit a solution in the Suggestions forum. Bitching about the Hunters won't help you out.

By the way, you've never even tried to provide evidence that the player was actually innocent. All you've done is attack the hunters for ruining your games (even though it was the player who got busted who did the ruining). What would have actually changed if someone had made the accusation in public and then that player was busted the same day or the next day? Those clan games wouldn't have magically finished immediately and be unaffected by the bust. The person broke the rules of the site and were punished for it. This isn't the public sector where a person gets a trial a year later over some rule-breaking event.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby IcePack on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:39 pm

Bleed_Green wrote:
I do not know that this is something that can take place but when we accept someone into our clan are we able to ask the Mods to run a multicheck against their account?


At KOA with any new clan member, before acceptance we ask multihunters to run a check on their account.

Maybe time to consider a new policy, and run a check on ur existing members.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby afroaction on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:57 pm

Night Strike wrote:
afroaction wrote:Being a mod doesn't make you Judge and Jury, but that's the way it is here. All those games active standard & teams games that Rommel & Phulish or any vacationed member that were active in should of been deleted and started over with no winners. Regardless of the accused history or ruling. Second of all Night Stalker how would you feel if someone falsely accused you, and some power hungry mod banns you without notice, fucks up a bunch of your games and teammates? That's whole problem with no public posting on rulings or accusations and swift justice.


Your scenario doesn't work because 1) I haven't broken the rule about multiple accounts and 2) the Hunters aren't power hungry. They have specific tools that help them determine whether or not a person is using multiple accounts. If the evidence is strong enough, the person gets busted. Occasionally a bust is actually a family member, whereby the busted person submits an e-ticket and is reinstated to the site. But those instances are far fewer than the number of accounts that are correctly busted.

If you don't like what happens to games when a player is busted, then submit a solution in the Suggestions forum. Bitching about the Hunters won't help you out.

By the way, you've never even tried to provide evidence that the player was actually innocent. All you've done is attack the hunters for ruining your games (even though it was the player who got busted who did the ruining). What would have actually changed if someone had made the accusation in public and then that player was busted the same day or the next day? Those clan games wouldn't have magically finished immediately and be unaffected by the bust. The person broke the rules of the site and were punished for it. This isn't the public sector where a person gets a trial a year later over some rule-breaking event.



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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Evil Semp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:22 pm

Bleed_Green I will gladly do a multi check on any new prospective members but that does on prevent them from starting or taking over accounts after the they are accepted. PD can just send a PM and I will check for him.

afroaction I don't know if rommel was accused or via e-ticket, PM and he was just stumbled upon.

If I am in live chat and there is a name that I don't recognize I do a multi check and have busted a few that way. I usually check the OP when they do a C&A report. Sometimes it is just gut feeling.

As far as the multi tool making mistakes, it doesn't. It is the people who use the tool that make mistakes. The multi tool just points us in the direction.

I also think you are over reacting here. We did not break any rules rommel and Phulish are the ones who broke the rules, regretfully their actions effect others.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby Bones2484 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:06 pm

I have an idea. Either don't let untrustworthy people into your clan or don't cry about it when they finally get caught.

Personally, I hope the games that have been lost due to this cheater being banned count towards your clan's challenge score. The other clan shouldn't have to replay games because someone in your clan f'd up and got caught. The clan is only as good as the whole, and clearly you had some bad apples.
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Re: rommel539 banned?

Postby chapcrap on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:50 pm

IcePack wrote:
Bleed_Green wrote:
I do not know that this is something that can take place but when we accept someone into our clan are we able to ask the Mods to run a multicheck against their account?


At KOA with any new clan member, before acceptance we ask multihunters to run a check on their account.

Maybe time to consider a new policy, and run a check on ur existing members.

Very true.

I had a friend who I tried to get into KOA and he had a multi and I didn't realize it. Poor Mark. Wish he was still able to play with me.
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