Why not finish?

[Funkyterrance]

I have a question for anyone who was was f2p for a while. What happens to me a lot is I will be playing a 1v1 game against a f2p player and we will be going back and forth back and forth in rt but the minute it seems to be really over....they stop turning. I would think that if you only had 4 slots you would want to just get it over with and free up a slot so you could try again. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?

[Dibbun]

I was not f2p for very long but I'll comment.. I have 99% turns taken so I really don't deadbeat, but there have been times when I've been tempted..

1. If the enemy's victory is imminent and he's not acting sensibly to swiftly end the game (by not splitting deployments, or passing up 3v1s even though I have no spoils and no chance at a comeback)
2. If it's a speed game and the enemy is taking 3-4 minutes per turn.
3. If I have been silent the whole game (like on most games) and near the end the enemy makes little comments about how he's about to win, especially that "gg" thing, especially when the game's not actually over yet, especially if he complained about drop/dice earlier in the game.

Not saying you're engaging in these behaviors, just those are things that have made me want to deadbeat during speed games where the end was already a foregone conclusion.

Regardless, deadbeating is low class.

[JBlombier]

1. If the enemy's victory is imminent and he's not acting sensibly to swiftly end the game (by not splitting deployments, or passing up 3v1s even though I have no spoils and no chance at a comeback)
2. If it's a speed game and the enemy is taking 3-4 minutes per turn.
3. If I have been silent the whole game (like on most games) and near the end the enemy makes little comments about how he's about to win, especially that "gg" thing, especially when the game's not actually over yet, especially if he complained about drop/dice earlier in the game.

Regardless, deadbeating is low class.

The three situations you mentioned are no excuse to deadbeat from a game. I'm glad you say you were tempted and not actually did it, because like you state: it is low class.

I think you're a sore loser if you deadbeat for any of those reasons.

[Funkyterrance]

Thank you very much for the input. I am happy to say that I very rarely do any of thing things you mentioned except I do sometimes say "gg" when I feel that the other person has me beat to the point where I cannot come back. I'm sure I have griped about dice in the past but I usually only do that when the game is somewhat chatty to begin with and usually reserved for my 12-1 losses. Usually when I have this problem the games are totally silent except for me saying "hi" in the beginning. I will say that the players usually don't actually deadbeat but just tend to suddenly stop turning once the tide really turns. I will, however, pay more close attention to these details in the future and see if maybe I was missing something.
Thanks again!

Funky

[drunkmunky]

I gripe about the dice all the time. Even in front of opponents and saying "shocking dice" and all that lot. But that's just me getting frustration out as although the randomness of the dice means it can happen, the odds of it happening are low. And regardless of that, if you say lose 10v5 or 15v6 or something like that...it IS bad dice. I don't see why people get wound up when others complain about the dice. They aren't complaining about the mechanic in place for the dice, just that the dice they got on that occassion were bad...which they were.

To take a quote from one of my favourite films: "The unlucky are nothing more than a frame of reference for the lucky, Mister Fisher. You are unlucky, so I may know that I am not. Unfortunately the lucky never realize they are lucky until it's too late."

[SirSebstar]

I have a question for anyone who was was f2p for a while. What happens to me a lot is I will be playing a 1v1 game against a f2p player and we will be going back and forth back and forth in rt but the minute it seems to be really over....they stop turning. I would think that if you only had 4 slots you would want to just get it over with and free up a slot so you could try again. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?

I cannot explain it.
I can only point to the site-rules that call intentional deadbeating a major infraction. However, note that this must be a pattern, not a single game where someone is being..difficult..

I have seens it .. a few times, but not really often. I think appropriate (low)ratings and tags and possibly a FAMO (Foe And Move On) is in order.
Above all, don't let it ruin your day.

[flexmaster33]

I think the "intentional deadbeating" is a somewhat outdated rule based back in the days on people not taking their first two turns so they could deploy up a big chunk of troops.

That practice has largely been solved with the delayed deploy that came in a few years ago, taking away any advantage to missing turns on purpose.

Also, I don't get the beef about the "gg" thing...usually in the late stages of play it's pretty obvious who's going to come away with it...I'll throw a gg up there just in sportsmanship often adding a compliment of some sort about my opponent's play...I'll usually do this whether it's me winning the match or not. Just a way of saying thanks for playing it was a good challenge.

[Dibbun]

I gripe about the dice all the time. Even in front of opponents and saying "shocking dice" and all that lot. But that's just me getting frustration out as although the randomness of the dice means it can happen, the odds of it happening are low. And regardless of that, if you say lose 10v5 or 15v6 or something like that...it IS bad dice. I don't see why people get wound up when others complain about the dice. They aren't complaining about the mechanic in place for the dice, just that the dice they got on that occassion were bad...which they were.

The good majority of the strategy involved in this game is how to manage statistical analysis. If there's "bad dice" it means I had good dice, so deal with it. It happens to everyone, every game, no exceptions, it's how it is so prepare for it. If I don't know you and you're trying to save face or whatever by saying bad dice, I will tell you to cry more. Honestly I don't want to hear it, don't want to hold your hand through the "bad times" of your lack of good fortune, and don't want to care about you enough to change my opinion on your skill because you qualified your failure by saying the dice went against you.

For those who do care, what happens if you lose a game against someone in real life and say "Oh wow you got lucky." Because that's what you're doing when you complain about dice. You're saying I have no skill, and only won by luck, or rather your lack of luck. Arrogant much?

Also, I don't get the beef about the "gg" thing...usually in the late stages of play it's pretty obvious who's going to come away with it...I'll throw a gg up there just in sportsmanship often adding a compliment of some sort about my opponent's play...I'll usually do this whether it's me winning the match or not. Just a way of saying thanks for playing it was a good challenge.

In a few games I play where there's a text box, "gg" is a derisive term, as in "gg noob ezsauce." I personally don't like it, if it was a good game I will type out "good game" but I will always see "gg" as meaning "I pwned you." I don't like it period, and when the game is not yet over it's downright disrespectful. You may not mean it as such, but I know I personally take it as such. Say it after you win, and if the person checks chat then they see it, if not well you'll have to go the rest of your life without them knowing you said it was a "gg."

[Funkyterrance]

I think that the dice aggravation is somewhat derived from a mistrust in the randomness of a computer program In rl when I play this sort of game I NEVER express disdain about dice. I express surprise when in rl I roll two sixes twice in a row or two snake eyes twice in a row but never think "oh you just got lucky". Dibbin as far as the gg issue is concerned it sounds to me like you may be a bit sensitive on that point. I always wish someone a gg because I enjoyed the competition whether I win or lose (rudeness aside). I also figure If I don't say gg before the final turn, the other player may never see it and assume I am bitter at the loss, which isn't true. You can never tell which turn will actually be the last so sometimes the gg may come a little early.

[Dibbun]

I think that the dice aggravation is somewhat derived from a mistrust in the randomness of a computer program In rl when I play this sort of game I NEVER express disdain about dice. I express surprise when in rl I roll two sixes twice in a row or two snake eyes twice in a row but never think "oh you just got lucky". Dibbin as far as the gg issue is concerned it sounds to me like you may be a bit sensitive on that point. I always wish someone a gg because I enjoyed the competition whether I win or lose (rudeness aside). I also figure If I don't say gg before the final turn, the other player may never see it and assume I am bitter at the loss, which isn't true. You can never tell which turn will actually be the last so sometimes the gg may come a little early.

I think that when one complains about the dice, the implication is that this game is supposed to be all strategy with little or no influence on dice. I believe that instead, it is all strategy with some of the strategy involved being managing potential dice losses and hedging bets to advance a position regardless of chance. I enjoy playing pool, but only with people who will accept "slop," otherwise to me that's a bit arrogant to say "you made your shot but you weren't really trying to make it so it doesn't count." I may defend a position in a way where I have 2 troops on multiple regions, specifically because there's a chance you might drop 6 straight, does that mean I won only because the dice failed you, or because for that game, in that particular circumstance, I employed a strategy that paid off?

I am indeed more sensitive to the "gg" issue. I'm all right with the loser saying it (I rarely do, but it doesn't mean I'm bitter) prior to the end of the game, but for me the winner should hold back until the victory is actually achieved.

[drunkmonkey]

In a few games I play where there's a text box, "gg" is a derisive term, as in "gg noob ezsauce." I personally don't like it, if it was a good game I will type out "good game" but I will always see "gg" as meaning "I pwned you."

Just about everyone on this site uses "gg" as a display of sportsmanship. Then again, unlike the other games you play, the average user here is over the age of 10.

[flexmaster33]

Yes, I think some of us could take wins and losses on this site a little less seriously...it is a game after all.

[Funkyterrance]

Dibbun (Apologies, I wrote it wrong last time),

I think what really lies at the issue of the dice is that when the dice are really poor or really good on one person's favor, it aught to be recognized. Its is not a balanced game and shouldn't be fun for either side if the dice are completely one-sided, assuming both players are good sports. I have to say that in my games where I have stellar dice or notice really rough dice by the other player I make a comment about it just to let the other player know that I know what has happened. This way It is apparent to the other player that I don't think that I am just SO AWESOME or he/she is pathetic. It was just freak dice, which happens, but it's nice for the fact to at least be recognized. Yes, dice are part of the game but a wash is never fun for a true sportsman.