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Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

Well the player who is slacking and missed their turn could have but they never took their turn. That is not the fault of anyone else than the player who missed their turn. The player who missed their turn is still an active player until they're officially booted so therefore a missed turn should count as a turn taken in regards to the round of play. Once again, it is NOT the fault of the last player who actually took a turn that someone missed their opportunity to attack, it is the fault of the slacker who did miss their turn.

Marduk50 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

Well the player who is slacking and missed their turn could have but they never took their turn. That is not the fault of anyone else than the player who missed their turn. The player who missed their turn is still an active player until they're officially booted so therefore a missed turn should count as a turn taken in regards to the round of play. Once again, it is NOT the fault of the last player who actually took a turn that someone missed their opportunity to attack, it is the fault of the slacker who did miss their turn.

Who says they are slacking? What happens if something comes up in life that forces them to miss?

Also, the DO get punished. If they miss their turn, they don't have a chance to -

A. Take back any bonuses they lost
B. Earn a card (Which can be VERY important in escalating)
c. Break any bonuses of an opponent.

how are any of those not a punishment?

They get to deploy all armies they didnt get a chance to from the turns they missed. That trumps all those things you mentioned. And in ONLY in an escalating game is missing a card bonus critical, all other games it is a minor consequence.

My point is they had a chance to take their turn, they missed it and they were the last person to have a chance to take a turn in the said round. Why punish the guy who took his turn and waited for that round to end only to find out he has to wait still. It is nonsense, and the guy who missed his turn should be the one who cannot do anything next round as consequence for missing their turn.

Marduk50 wrote:They get to deploy all armies they didnt get a chance to from the turns they missed. That trumps all those things you mentioned. And in ONLY in an escalating game is missing a card bonus critical, all other games it is a minor consequence.

My point is they had a chance to take their turn, they missed it and they were the last person to have a chance to take a turn in the said round. Why punish the guy who took his turn and waited for that round to end only to find out he has to wait still. It is nonsense, and the guy who missed his turn should be the one who cannot do anything next round as consequence for missing their turn.

Because someone could easily take advantage of this? They notice Player X is missing turns, so he waits for less than a minute, take his turn, wait for the turn to be missed, then plays instantly again. People have used something like this to get double turns before. Plus players could use this on Objective maps too easily. If someone is going to miss, capture the objective, wait for the turn to be missed, BAM. Instant win without threat of losing the objective

And missing in Flat Rate can be important too. also, that next turn, they don't even get to use them. They have to deploy them after they finished attacking.

in addition, if you have a better suggestion, then please help yourself and us by suggesting it in the suggestions forum. In all honesty, everybody wants a beter system, we just dont have one

Additionaly tge entire premise of your argument is they get to use their deffered troops, the point your missing is they get to deploy the deferred troops at the end of their turn before they reinforce but after they are done attacking.

One solution is to stop playing freestyle.

if you are the last to play in freestyle, you cannot take your turn first in the next round.

I'm playing a 2 player freestyle game. After 24 hours, my opponent missed a turn. But I was blocked from playing my turn until either another 12 hours passed, or until my opponent took his turn. So, even after missing a turn, he got to take the very next turn. BUT he gets to deploy his deferred troops. So essentially, I get punished for him missing a turn. I understand the other arguments I see here for games with more than 2 players, but with 2 players there is a problem with the rule.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

And that's the sacrifice you should have to give when you miss a turn...

artaxias wrote:I'm playing a 2 player freestyle game. After 24 hours, my opponent missed a turn. But I was blocked from playing my turn until either another 12 hours passed, or until my opponent took his turn. So, even after missing a turn, he got to take the very next turn. BUT he gets to deploy his deferred troops. So essentially, I get punished for him missing a turn. I understand the other arguments I see here for games with more than 2 players, but with 2 players there is a problem with the rule.

nope, he gets defferred troops, but he cannot attack with them. Now if you did not break his bonus and he missed his turn, then he would have 12 hours to take his turn and get deferred troops with the bonus.which would indeed give him an advantage with no spoils. however, deliberate deadbeating, if there is a pattern, then its against the rules of the game.

SirSebstar wrote:

artaxias wrote:I'm playing a 2 player freestyle game. After 24 hours, my opponent missed a turn. But I was blocked from playing my turn until either another 12 hours passed, or until my opponent took his turn. So, even after missing a turn, he got to take the very next turn. BUT he gets to deploy his deferred troops. So essentially, I get punished for him missing a turn. I understand the other arguments I see here for games with more than 2 players, but with 2 players there is a problem with the rule.

nope, he gets defferred troops, but he cannot attack with them. Now if you did not break his bonus and he missed his turn, then he would have 12 hours to take his turn and get deferred troops with the bonus.which would indeed give him an advantage with no spoils. however, deliberate deadbeating, if there is a pattern, then its against the rules of the game.

What do you mean "nope"... This just happened to me!
Here's the log:
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2011-08-03 20:36:42 - Incrementing game to round 7
2011-08-03 21:13:31 - artaxias got bonus of 2 troops added to Persians
2011-08-03 21:13:31 - artaxias received 1 troops for holding Cretans
2011-08-03 21:13:31 - artaxias received 3 troops for 3 regions
2011-08-03 21:13:36 - artaxias deployed 4 troops on Carpathos
2011-08-03 21:13:42 - artaxias assaulted Rhodians from Carpathos and conquered it from neutral player
2011-08-03 21:13:51 - artaxias assaulted Sporadians from Rhodians and conquered it from neutral player
2011-08-03 21:14:10 - artaxias ended the turn and got spoils
2011-08-04 20:36:42 - qzmano missed a turn
(AT THIS POINT I WAS BLOCKED FROM TAKING MY TURN)
2011-08-04 20:36:42 - Incrementing game to round 8
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano got bonus of 2 troops added to ?
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano got bonus of 2 troops added to ?
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano got bonus of 2 troops added to ?
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano received 1 troops for holding ?
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano received 1 troops for holding ?
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano received 1 troops for holding ?
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano received 5 troops for 16 regions
2011-08-05 06:51:25 - qzmano received 8 deferred troops for missing 1 rounds
2011-08-05 06:51:36 - qzmano deployed 8 troops on ?
2011-08-05 06:51:39 - qzmano assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from neutral player
2011-08-05 06:51:44 - qzmano assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from neutral player
2011-08-05 06:51:47 - qzmano assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from neutral player
2011-08-05 06:51:50 - qzmano assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from neutral player
2011-08-05 06:52:01 - qzmano deployed 8 troops on ?
2011-08-05 06:52:12 - qzmano reinforced ? with 4 troops from ?
2011-08-05 06:52:12 - qzmano ended the turn and got spoils
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The simple matter is, he missed a turn, then got to take the very next turn. If he hadn't missed a turn, he would have gotten the very next turn but without the deferred troops. Ergo, he benefited from missing a turn. I'm not complaining about him missing a turn. Missed turns happen. I'm pointing out a flaw in the rules. This would only really be an issue in a 2 player freestyle game.

read your log again.
first he placed, then he attacked. and once his attack was done, did he get his defferred troops, so he had no chance to attack with those.
if he had not missed his turn, he would have been having those troops availiable for attacks too, and if it were a spoils game, he would have missed out on a spoils. One thing i agree on though. freestyle sucks

You should read my post again, mate. While he didn't get to attack me with his deferred troops (that was never my complaint - I know how deferred troops work), he did get those extra troops. I don't think I need to spell it out to you again, but I will. Even though it says in the log that he missed a turn, he never really did. He just waited 24 hours and was able to take the very next turn. So, he DIDN'T really miss a turn. The only thing different from him taking his turn on time, was that he got those 8 deferred troops. And while he didn't get to attack with them, they were still added to his total troops. This, in my opinion, is a glitch in the rules and ought to be fixed. Why have a rule that encourages people to miss turns? There is no question that in this particular case, in a 2 player freestyle game, that the turn-misser was rewarded.

that is true. In a sense he did make a claim on a bonus that you might have been able to break, and he also cut your response time from 24 hours to 12 hours...
Like i stated before, freestyle sucks. But yea, let me get back to you on this. seb out.

Didn't read all of this but it also is affected in games like AOR and Feudal where you get bonus troops added to stuff.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

tho if you take your turn and don't end it, you'll still be able to take a bonus and since you haven't ended your turn, you'll be able to take your next turn right after your previous turn timed out (as a side effect you will not get spoils though). noone would be able to break you either.

I can't stand any rule that benefits missed turns at all. In a 2-player game I don't see this as a big deal, but if I'm in a multiplayer game, I may refrain from breaking a bonus/checking a player if they are missing turns because they may conceivably be deadbeating and I don't want to waste troops on someone who may turn neutral. For there to be an advantage (yes, an advantage) to someone who misses a turn intentionally is just ludicrous. If they can't make their turn, they need to get a sitter. As far as I know, there are no shortage of sitters if you post a request on the boards.

Unbalancing the game by missing turns should not be rewarded, it should be punished.

Marduk50 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

Well the player who is slacking and missed their turn could have but they never took their turn. That is not the fault of anyone else than the player who missed their turn. The player who missed their turn is still an active player until they're officially booted so therefore a missed turn should count as a turn taken in regards to the round of play. Once again, it is NOT the fault of the last player who actually took a turn that someone missed their opportunity to attack, it is the fault of the slacker who did miss their turn.

i agree lets say i have a bonus thats weakly protected, however noone breaks me, so i wait the turn out and miss a turn, i can immediatley move, and i have alot of troops to attack with, and deffered troops to build up my defences by reinforcing, who cares about a card in esc, no instead of having to cash first, now the other players will go first and my set will be worth more

and that is why freestyle sucks

qwertylpc wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Marduk50 wrote:Why is it the guy who actually played last on a freestyle game cant play right away the next round but the guy who missed his turn (therefore slowing the game down) can? I think this is absolutely ridiculous. That guy should be in some way punished for missing his turn since they still will get all their deferred troops when they actually do take their turn.

Because then you in essence would get 2 turns in a row. nobody else would have had a chance to break any bonuses and such.

Well the player who is slacking and missed their turn could have but they never took their turn. That is not the fault of anyone else than the player who missed their turn. The player who missed their turn is still an active player until they're officially booted so therefore a missed turn should count as a turn taken in regards to the round of play. Once again, it is NOT the fault of the last player who actually took a turn that someone missed their opportunity to attack, it is the fault of the slacker who did miss their turn.

i agree lets say i have a bonus thats weakly protected, however noone breaks me, so i wait the turn out and miss a turn, i can immediatley move, and i have alot of troops to attack with, and deffered troops to build up my defences by reinforcing, who cares about a card in esc, no instead of having to cash first, now the other players will go first and my set will be worth more

If you try to wait it out, you cannot move right away. It acts as if you played last so you are timed out until someone starts. All you did there was waste getting a card.

Dibbun wrote:I can't stand any rule that benefits missed turns at all. In a 2-player game I don't see this as a big deal, but if I'm in a multiplayer game, I may refrain from breaking a bonus/checking a player if they are missing turns because they may conceivably be deadbeating and I don't want to waste troops on someone who may turn neutral. For there to be an advantage (yes, an advantage) to someone who misses a turn intentionally is just ludicrous. If they can't make their turn, they need to get a sitter. As far as I know, there are no shortage of sitters if you post a request on the boards.

Unbalancing the game by missing turns should not be rewarded, it should be punished.

Other people do not have more information than you. Everyone has to make a judgment about how to play, and if you play as though the person is deadbeating and they are not, then you have only yourself to blame when that comes back to bite you.

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Grrrrrrrrr.... I hate people missing many turns in assassin Game!!!

I feel better now

Seriously? It's not an advantage! In escalating if they "Wait it out" so they're set is worth more, they'll just get killed for cards. It's never beneficial to miss turns. Get over it.