Conquer Club

hi guys could be a good site. As I've had some pretty weird results...like losing 13 against 3, 17:2 and odds defying results (never once yet in my favour) I'm just wondering if this site is known for being vulnerable to scripting or is this just the way the cookie crumbles here? No, Im not beinng a bad loser but if I was going to a casino I'd ask around to see if the wheels were rigged.

nogginthenog wrote:hi guys could be a good site. As I've had some pretty weird results...like losing 13 against 3, 17:2 and odds defying results (never once yet in my favour) I'm just wondering if this site is known for being vulnerable to scripting or is this just the way the cookie crumbles here? No, Im not beinng a bad loser but if I was going to a casino I'd ask around to see if the wheels were rigged.

Actually, you would see that sort of thing in a casino if you stayed there long enough. What you have to remember is that there are literally hundreds of thousands of dice rolls every day here. So the opportunities for those results to happen through random chance are certainly increased. The results you're seeing are actually a function of the good randomness of the dice here.

the dice aren't vulnerable to scripting. The dice get their numbers and results as a string of numbers from http://www.random.org. they have a huge section on how exactly they make the numbers random.

You have to get used to the dice. Don't let it control you I've lost 44v4 before

OK thanks guys. Reassuring. Sorry if that made some take umbrage. Hopefully you'll understand the need at the start of my play here to seek this sort of assurance. gl in your games.
Started playing risk in 1966!! ( yup 44 years ago) and its nice to see this development.

addendum

same attack against same player ( spacey) 6:1. lost, 5:1 lost so tally is 5 attacks lost 23 in multiple attacks against singles. Tell me that isn't suspicious.

Ah it's just a losing streak... it'll pass. I was in a horrible losing streak once

i find the best way to get good rolls around here is to sacrifice a goat to random.org. hope that helps you noggin.

and where do you get a goat?

poachers...

Woodruff wrote:Actually, you would see that sort of thing in a casino if you stayed there long enough. What you have to remember is that there are literally hundreds of thousands of dice rolls every day here. So the opportunities for those results to happen through random chance are certainly increased. The results you're seeing are actually a function of the good randomness of the dice here.

Ok while I agree the dice are random yadda yadda yadda I still think this argument is bs every time I hear it.

This guy hasn't seen the hundreds of thousands of rolls, so why does that make any difference to him? If there are 10 billion dice rolls in one day and you see 100 of them would that mean you would expect to see 1 in a million occurences? Hell no. The argument doesn't make sense.

well.... if you want to complain, send an email to the guys/gals at random.org

they rig the dice on this site, it's so that the people the mods like can win more games

pmchugh wrote:

Woodruff wrote:Actually, you would see that sort of thing in a casino if you stayed there long enough. What you have to remember is that there are literally hundreds of thousands of dice rolls every day here. So the opportunities for those results to happen through random chance are certainly increased. The results you're seeing are actually a function of the good randomness of the dice here.

Ok while I agree the dice are random yadda yadda yadda I still think this argument is bs every time I hear it.

This guy hasn't seen the hundreds of thousands of rolls, so why does that make any difference to him? If there are 10 billion dice rolls in one day and you see 100 of them would that mean you would expect to see 1 in a million occurences? Hell no. The argument doesn't make sense.

It doesn't matter at all how many rolls he's seen, only how many rolls have occurred. He's just been incredibly unlucky.

seems whole can of worms opened up here. dunno whether or not to apologise!! Thinking seriously of buying a goat....just looking for a pretty one ( being from derbyshire where men are men and sheep are worried!).
I know full well the nature of random - lectured in esoteric physics for many years and still don't know what it means - but have been involved in sites ( the worst example was when I was a sysop for Netropolis) where some very clever people decided to use their talents in cheating, scripting being the usual route. When both myself and the other guy involved in a game commented on the incredible runs of bad dice for only 2/3 of us I thought I'd raise the issue and see where it fell.
So here's to the God of chaos ( as elric of melnibone and Michael Moorcock would have it) and let loose the goats of war.

nogginthenog wrote:seems whole can of worms opened up here. dunno whether or not to apologise!!

Oh heavens no...if we weren't arguing about this, we'd be arguing about something else. <laughing>

nogginthenog wrote:Thinking seriously of buying a goat....just looking for a pretty one ( being from derbyshire where men are men and sheep are worried!).

You might consider the slightly less expensive chicken option, as well. Err...uh...for sacrificing only, of course!

played 650+ games and I've never lost 17v2. It does and can happen though, that is the meaning of truly random.
Don't listen too much to those that would tell you dice are rigged...
Streaks happen, *because* the dice are random. It evens out in the end. Some people just have very selective memory.

Welcome to CC

Woodruff wrote:

pmchugh wrote:

Woodruff wrote:Actually, you would see that sort of thing in a casino if you stayed there long enough. What you have to remember is that there are literally hundreds of thousands of dice rolls every day here. So the opportunities for those results to happen through random chance are certainly increased. The results you're seeing are actually a function of the good randomness of the dice here.

Ok while I agree the dice are random yadda yadda yadda I still think this argument is bs every time I hear it.

This guy hasn't seen the hundreds of thousands of rolls, so why does that make any difference to him? If there are 10 billion dice rolls in one day and you see 100 of them would that mean you would expect to see 1 in a million occurences? Hell no. The argument doesn't make sense.

It doesn't matter at all how many rolls he's seen, only how many rolls have occurred. He's just been incredibly unlucky.

Using the fact there are X amount of rolls a day doesn't make any difference what so ever to what he should observe, so why does it matter?

We've all been kicked in the nuts by the dice at one time or another buddy and then say "Sir may I have another " and then whine and complain and then do it all over again.all part of the fun in C.C.land
So welcome, come on in, sit down,hold on and have fun,the best is yet to come.

nogginthenog wrote:seems whole can of worms opened up here. dunno whether or not to apologise!! Thinking seriously of buying a goat....just looking for a pretty one ( being from derbyshire where men are men and sheep are worried!).
I know full well the nature of random - lectured in esoteric physics for many years and still don't know what it means - but have been involved in sites ( the worst example was when I was a sysop for Netropolis) where some very clever people decided to use their talents in cheating, scripting being the usual route. When both myself and the other guy involved in a game commented on the incredible runs of bad dice for only 2/3 of us I thought I'd raise the issue and see where it fell.
So here's to the God of chaos ( as elric of melnibone and Michael Moorcock would have it) and let loose the goats of war.

if you buy a goat remember it is animal cruelty to while alive but it in your trunk even if you are going to kill it.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-08-25-favre-goat_N.htm

but in order to get good dice you must sacrifice it on top of 8 dice while cc homepage is up within 5ft of your computer. good luck with the cops.
and as an add on the sheep should be groomed to have to cc on it!