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Hi, I just started playing on here and the first thing I noticed is how unlucky dice rolls can really determine the outcome of a game. Are there ways to minimize this? Are there certain settings where even with terrible dice a superior strategy can win the game? Please help with some suggestions I would like to find out if there are certain game settings where bad dice don't ruin the game...

Farrokh Bulsara wrote:Hi, I just started playing on here and the first thing I noticed is how unlucky dice rolls can really determine the outcome of a game. Are there ways to minimize this? Are there certain settings where even with terrible dice a superior strategy can win the game? Please help with some suggestions I would like to find out if there are certain game settings where bad dice don't ruin the game...

Get into playing team games FB...that's your best bet.

bad dice ruin most of the games on this site ... seriously.

there are these nasty things they call streaks, where your dice take a shit and you lose no matter how poorly your opponent is playing .... I am going on nearly 2 months of a bad streak and am now walking away from the site because it's pure bullshit.

no setting or map will save you from this .... sorry .... you'll see what I mean soon enough

Stay away from 1v1, and know when to stop attacking.

Standard No Spoils on Medium or Large maps are often considered a good test of a player's skills as it discourages players to attack early on.
Be aware of the fact that those types of games also tend to last er...longer than you would want it to last.

remember, he's still a new recruit, so he can't play team games or 6-8 man games yet.

but yes, once you have completed 5 games, team games are one of the best options. Also, if you want to use a lot of diplomacy, 8 man flat rate or no spoils has proven effective for some people.

my opinion:

Standard, seq, esc, with 5-8 players
Dubs, trips or quads with seq, no cards.

To me these are the most skilled game types.

hmm,these is more for strategy forum

Check out the Society of Cooks..some great info and even gameplay tutelage is available in there.

You'll soon realize that there is a select group of very loud mouthed people that need a huge supply of tissues while they explain to you the horrible dice problem on the site. Then there are the rest of us, that take it easy when the dice are bad, and strike while the iron is hot so to speak. Yes, the dice are more "streaky" than real dice, but it's isn't really a problem if you use common sense, because it does even out in the end.
Also, try to quickly understnad under what circumstances it is advantageous to attack. For example, 4v3 is your friend, 3v2 isn't, you'll get the hang of it soon enough if you use your brain and keep your eyes open

To answer your question; Large standard (escalating especially) games 6-8player usually seperate the men from the boys, and although one has to put up with idiots making idiot plays every now and then, in the long run the better players will take home the most games. Might want to stick to esc though, as flatrate & no spoils 6-8player often turn into stalemate nightmares

If you can find a good teammates or three to play with, you'll quickly see how teamgames seperate the warrioirs from the jesters very effectively. if you want to depend on skill stick to escalating or no spoils, as flatrate is the third headache factor after drop and dice in my opinion (though some will argue that the in/ability to get 3 or 4 card sets in esc makes the luck factor there as bad)

Observe the wily ways of the dice, lol, ignore the nay sayers, and play with a wide variety of people, try a wwide variety of maps and settings, and don't worry too much about rank in the start. pick up some experience, then go use it against the rest of us good luck, and welcome to CC.

tldr version; read Georgerx7di's response, It's spot on.

Assassin Games with Fog on large maps are also quite challenging.

there is a select group of very loud mouthed people that need a huge supply of tissues while they explain to you the horrible dice problem on the site.

Haha, so true.

The tougher the map, the less likely luck dictates the winner, though it still can influence it.

The more people the tougher it is, the better the people the less likely luck dictates the winner, though it will still influence it.

Pick one map(a complex map) or one setting and learn it as well as you can. Once youve had success on one map, it will be easier to bring that success to other maps. Its more boring perhaps, but if the goal is to succeed, its a good starting place.

AAFitz wrote:the better the people the less likely luck dictates the winner, though it will still influence it.

I would almost say the opposite is true. If you have a game where everyone is very good and very equal, then luck will almost be the complete determining factor.

maasman wrote:

AAFitz wrote:the better the people the less likely luck dictates the winner, though it will still influence it.

I would almost say the opposite is true. If you have a game where everyone is very good and very equal, then luck will almost be the complete determining factor.

Well, you speak of the luck of the dice I assume. I speak of the luck of having "less polished players" attack you and ruin all the good moves you might make. They are both random and unpredictable. Usually, Ill take my chances against the dice.

Taking the OP's question "Are there certain settings where even with terrible dice a superior strategy can win the game?" then there's really only one answer: escalating team games (quads, trips, doubs - in that order). In a no-carder when you've been hammered from the outset there's usually very little chance of recovery (bonuses can't be taken & held easily, and weight of deploys factor in a great deal. Not much one can do with 3 men each turn). In esc games however, you always stand a chance once trades increase. If your team is being beaten badly then it's simply a case of killing a team mate for his cards and clearing the board, so there's always hope in esc (Game 7259392 for example). It's a skilled game though, and one has to plan several moves in advance. A good team will never weaken an opposing player so much that a team mate can kill him off for his cards, so don't bank on it working every time. But of all my games, the ones I've been able to pull back from the brink have invariably always been escalating team games where reliance upon good dice don't factor in.

And 5-8 player esc - always a bit of a lottery because in public games there's usually someone who 'goes for it' and fails, simply to leave the lucky player who follows him to clean up the board. There's only a 14-25% chance (depending on the number of players) that you'll be the lucky one who follows the gambler who lost.

My advice though....find a format you like and become adept at it, rather than play games which lessen the rub of the dice. For me it's no spoils quads. Sure, 15% of my games can be spoiled by diabolical dice, but I'm happy with the 15% of great dice I get in others, and the 70% I win due to knowing the format and strategy inside-out.

Good luck, and don't despair.

AAFitz wrote:

maasman wrote:

AAFitz wrote:the better the people the less likely luck dictates the winner, though it will still influence it.

I would almost say the opposite is true. If you have a game where everyone is very good and very equal, then luck will almost be the complete determining factor.

Well, you speak of the luck of the dice I assume. I speak of the luck of having "less polished players" attack you and ruin all the good moves you might make. They are both random and unpredictable. Usually, Ill take my chances against the dice.

I can usually see what players are going to do if I pay attention, but no matter how much I look at the dice I can never tell what they'll bring