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I lost 20 men to 2 in one turn

PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:31 pm
by xtratabasco
I lost 20 men and won 2 in one turn, this has happened twice to me on this site.

I have been playing Risk for 30+ years and never, ever lost that bad.

Has anyone lost worse than that?

and how is that possible?

I would imagine that you might get hit by lightening 3 times before your dice roll like that.

I guess I better stay in when its raining. :shock:

PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:44 pm
by Vader_09
those rolls have been happening to me for like a week

PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:56 pm
by sully800
Well first of all, I'm sorry to hear about the bad beat. It must be a terrible sight when something like that happens. I have seen a bit worse than that (15v1 losing) but its still pretty bad.

As for the comment, "how is that possible?"....well, the rule of large numbers my friend!

Let's assume that you lost every attack, so your defender still had 2 men left at the end. The probability of that happening would be 4.6*10^-4%. Not very good of course, though the actual odds of losing the attack outright are a little higher because you could also defeat one of his men but then lose to the rest.

Anyway, Andy has posted that CC goes through 125,000 lines of dice rolls per day, though that number was from november. Of course we must go through even more than that now because the site is ever growing, but how much more I can't say....so I'll use 125,000.

The math from there is simple- 4.6*10^-4*125000 = 57

That means that if every attack made on the site was 3v2 dice, this would occur 57 times a day. Of course people have many different types of attacks as well, and they won't often be in the 20v2 situation you described. But if they were, despite the small odds of it happening, it would happen multiple times a day simply because so many dice are thrown around this site.

It's just a shame that it had to be you on that occasion!


Edit- Sorry, I misread your post based on the title. You lost 20 men and defeated two, not lost 20 men and defeated 0 because you were facing 2. Well, that just makes the chances of it happening a bit higher! :wink:

*Awaits maniac to show up and make corrections...*

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:16 am
by xtratabasco
sully800 wrote:It's just a shame that it had to be you on that occasion!


Edit- Sorry, I misread your post based on the title. You lost 20 men and defeated two, not lost 20 men and defeated 0 because you were facing 2. Well, that just makes the chances of it happening a bit higher! :wink:

*Awaits maniac to show up and make corrections...*


To add insult to injury, I didnt get a card because I couldnt beat all 3 men. LOL

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:36 am
by millej11
In those situations I find it helpful to slam your fist on your desk really hard, and yell f*ck really loud.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:03 am
by Flinn
millej11 wrote:In those situations I find it helpful to slam your fist on your desk really hard, and yell f*ck really loud.


I concur and often use this tactic.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:40 am
by Dariune
millej11 wrote:In those situations I find it helpful to slam your fist on your desk really hard, and yell f*ck really loud.


I am also a follower of that tried and tested tactic

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:46 am
by Uberwald
Oh yes and occasionally bash head into keyboard aswell...

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:48 am
by AndrewB
Dariune wrote:
millej11 wrote:In those situations I find it helpful to slam your fist on your desk really hard, and yell f*ck really loud.


I am also a follower of that tried and tested tactic


Don't shout it very loud, because you can get a negative feedback for that! Like the ones which I've got. ;)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:54 am
by SargentFluffy
My worst ever was 29 to 2...I lost all. I almost slipped into depression... :x

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:47 pm
by Jork
ugh....that's just downright painful....nuff said! :cry:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:51 pm
by Ronaldinho
Everytime i get wank dice such as that, it put another £5 into my money jar, im saving up to buy a plane ticket, lack will be getting a visit from me shorty, :P

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:55 pm
by Anarkistsdream
Ronaldinho wrote:Everytime i get wank dice such as that, it put another £5 into my money jar, im saving up to buy a plane ticket, lack will be getting a visit from me shorty, :P


FIVE pounds everytime!?! That must be one heavy jar!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:04 pm
by Ronaldinho
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Ronaldinho wrote:Everytime i get wank dice such as that, it put another £5 into my money jar, im saving up to buy a plane ticket, lack will be getting a visit from me shorty, :P


FIVE pounds everytime!?! That must be one heavy jar!




yeah paper notes, not 1p's n shit lmfao!!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:17 pm
by Anarkistsdream
Ronaldinho wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Ronaldinho wrote:Everytime i get wank dice such as that, it put another £5 into my money jar, im saving up to buy a plane ticket, lack will be getting a visit from me shorty, :P


FIVE pounds everytime!?! That must be one heavy jar!




yeah paper notes, not 1p's n shit lmfao!!


I was making a joke about how the UK uses pounds and not dollars... I guess it either a) wasn't that funny, or b) wasn't that funny..... *sigh*

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:22 pm
by spinwizard
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Ronaldinho wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Ronaldinho wrote:Everytime i get wank dice such as that, it put another £5 into my money jar, im saving up to buy a plane ticket, lack will be getting a visit from me shorty, :P


FIVE pounds everytime!?! That must be one heavy jar!




yeah paper notes, not 1p's n shit lmfao!!


I was making a joke about how the UK uses pounds and not dollars... I guess it either a) wasn't that funny, or b) wasn't that funny..... *sigh*


NO! sorry but it was not funny! LOL :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:27 pm
by Anarkistsdream
Eh... I tried.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:31 pm
by Ronaldinho
Dont worry probs just me, dident really process that through my head at 1st :wink:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:32 pm
by spinwizard
....damm i am soo slow!!! i get it now :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:07 pm
by silvanthalas
SargentFluffy wrote:My worst ever was 29 to 2...I lost all. I almost slipped into depression... :x


Kind of makes you wish for something extra on your side due to having overwhelming numbers of armies, doesn't it? :)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:41 pm
by Jamie
I think all CC users are well aware the Dice on this site aren't as fair for the attackers as they are in real life, but they are as unfair for everyone, so be it.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:47 pm
by xtratabasco
SargentFluffy wrote:My worst ever was 29 to 2...I lost all. I almost slipped into depression... :x



Damn. :(

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:36 pm
by Zackismet
millej11 wrote:In those situations I find it helpful to slam your fist on your desk really hard, and yell f*ck really loud.


This is suprisingly helpful.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:17 pm
by maniacmath17
sully800 wrote:Well first of all, I'm sorry to hear about the bad beat. It must be a terrible sight when something like that happens. I have seen a bit worse than that (15v1 losing) but its still pretty bad.

As for the comment, "how is that possible?"....well, the rule of large numbers my friend!

Let's assume that you lost every attack, so your defender still had 2 men left at the end. The probability of that happening would be 4.6*10^-4%. Not very good of course, though the actual odds of losing the attack outright are a little higher because you could also defeat one of his men but then lose to the rest.

Anyway, Andy has posted that CC goes through 125,000 lines of dice rolls per day, though that number was from november. Of course we must go through even more than that now because the site is ever growing, but how much more I can't say....so I'll use 125,000.

The math from there is simple- 4.6*10^-4*125000 = 57

That means that if every attack made on the site was 3v2 dice, this would occur 57 times a day. Of course people have many different types of attacks as well, and they won't often be in the 20v2 situation you described. But if they were, despite the small odds of it happening, it would happen multiple times a day simply because so many dice are thrown around this site.

It's just a shame that it had to be you on that occasion!


Edit- Sorry, I misread your post based on the title. You lost 20 men and defeated two, not lost 20 men and defeated 0 because you were facing 2. Well, that just makes the chances of it happening a bit higher! :wink:

*Awaits maniac to show up and make corrections...*


Well the chances of going from a 20 v 2 down to a 2 v 2 is .2926 ^ 9 which is 1.6 ^ -5 or about 1 in every 62500. And with all the games on this site it wouldn't take long to go through 62500 of the 20 v 2 attacks. And since yours was losing 20 and killing 2, its even more likely to happen.

This is nothing compared to the guy that lost like a 24 v 1. The chances of that are so ridiculous that it should never happen again in our lifetimes.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:38 pm
by lilwdlnddude
sully800 wrote:*Awaits maniac to show up and make corrections...*


and ha came! wow this is all very interesting and everyone should concider this in there attacks. well when they play online atleast... since i seem to lose dice rolls on CC alot, ive noticed that in the real board game i am way more cautious than i used to be. i dont know if thats a good thing or not...