Abuse of power

[aad0906]

Doesn't really respond to my point. Put yourself in Masli's position. If you scan your opponent and find that he is a multi, you wouldn't feel obligated to ban him right then and there? You'd wait until the game is over (possibly weeks later) to ban him, by which point he could have stolen several games from other players? How would you explain that to the affected CC community members? "Sorry, didn't want to get accused of mod abuse?"

Of course any multi-hunter should immediately ban offenders. But regular users find out during the course of a game that they are dealing with a possible multi, report it and still lose their points. Masli it seems sniffs them out before a single turn is taken, within minutes. If you are going to do a multi-check within seconds or minutes after a games has started, you might as well do it before the game starts. No, multi-hunters so not have to scan every potential opponent they are entering a game with but if they intend to scan them right after the game begins then I think that is wrong. He has won a large number of games this way.

I am not passing any judgment, I am happy to wait for the internal investigation to be completed, even if that takes 3 or more weeks, I understand this takes time. But I do think there should be a place in the forums where people can go to check what the status is, even if that would be in a locked thread in the C&A forum to remind everyone this is being looked into and it will not be swept under the carpet.

[owenshooter]

I checked his last 86 public 1v1 games that last 24 hours and 25 from them ended with a ban. He has another 1600 games that fulfill the criteria, I don't have plans to check them all, 25 games form last 86 are enough for me. But if u like u can check the last (for example)286 games and share what u have found.

again, show me any other player with that many TOTAL GAMES WON BY BANS and i will zip it... this is just the tip of the iceberg.-el Jesus negro

[QoH]

LoL this is never ending the one of you,any of you who has never abused a single rule on CC and gotten away with it step forward now please

Where do I claim my prize?

[jgordon1111]

LOL QoH read the fine print at the bottom of post please. You are probably a rare thing amongst the posters here not crying out for mob justice for reasons of revenge.

[QoH]

LOL QoH read the fine print at the bottom of post please. You are probably a rare thing amongst the posters here not crying out for mob justice for reasons of revenge.

Number one, there ain't no fine print. Unless it's so fine I can't even see it. Second of all, not everyone is calling for a lynching because they want revenge. They see this entire thing as an injustice towards the community. And if you want to go further, an injustice to Team CC, since it's an abuse of mod power.

[HighlanderAttack]

I checked his last 86 public 1v1 games that last 24 hours and 25 from them ended with a ban. He has another 1600 games that fulfill the criteria, I don't have plans to check them all, 25 games form last 86 are enough for me. But if u like u can check the last (for example)286 games and share what u have found.

again, show me any other player with that many TOTAL GAMES WON BY BANS and i will zip it... this is just the tip of the iceberg.-el Jesus negro

This tops Blitz ten fold. If this kind of crap is allowed --why bother ever throwing 25 more dollars towards this site--time to find a new one.

This is about doing the right thing:

Talk about a cheater--wow

[HighlanderAttack]

I have read some players sticking up for this action like he is doing his so called job of busing multis

Even if this was the case what right does he have to take the points

Blatant cheating and nothing more

No lynch mob here--just the reality of a cheater that needs to be punished severely

[Metsfanmax]

Doesn't really respond to my point. Put yourself in Masli's position. If you scan your opponent and find that he is a multi, you wouldn't feel obligated to ban him right then and there? You'd wait until the game is over (possibly weeks later) to ban him, by which point he could have stolen several games from other players? How would you explain that to the affected CC community members? "Sorry, didn't want to get accused of mod abuse?"

Of course any multi-hunter should immediately ban offenders. But regular users find out during the course of a game that they are dealing with a possible multi, report it and still lose their points. Masli it seems sniffs them out before a single turn is taken, within minutes. If you are going to do a multi-check within seconds or minutes after a games has started, you might as well do it before the game starts. No, multi-hunters so not have to scan every potential opponent they are entering a game with but if they intend to scan them right after the game begins then I think that is wrong. He has won a large number of games this way.

I don't think I can agree that it should ever be wrong to scan for multis. It's against the best interests of the site to say there are certain times when MHs should not scan.

[jgordon1111]

then reread the post QoH if you identify with the general portion of the post it might be for you,If not I said basically that those of you that were not posting for revenge purposes and had not broken any of CC's rules that post was not intended for you.I also said my opinion was different than most other posters. I did not under any circumstance say no one is allowed an opinion. Just that those that were posting for revenge or had broken rules and knew it when they did it and were calling loudly for punishment should keep it in mind what punishment they recieved or not when it was let slide and no punishment was given or just a warning. For everyone else post your opinions,you are trying to see true results.

[QoH]

then reread the post QoH if you identify with the general portion of the post it might be for you,If not I said basically that those of you that were not posting for revenge purposes and had not broken any of CC's rules that post was not intended for you.I also said my opinion was different than most other posters. I did not under any circumstance say no one is allowed an opinion. Just that those that were posting for revenge or had broken rules and knew it when they did it and were calling loudly for punishment should keep it in mind what punishment they recieved or not when it was let slide and no punishment was given or just a warning. For everyone else post your opinions,you are trying to see true results.

But that's the thing. It's not for revenge. It's for justice.

[jgordon1111]

Yes QoH for some it's for justice but others are trying to force a decision and a punishment before admin has decided whats to be done. I will not gainsay admins choice in their decision either way it goes,because they know things we dont on what and why,And I firmly believe it's wrong of anyone to try and force the issue,and those are the players I was speaking to. Will you state your opinions and then wait for admin to do their job or will you demand swift justice now because you demand it? I dont read you as one of those players who is not going to wait for admin to do their job. Am I wrong?

[QoH]

Yes QoH for some it's for justice but others are trying to force a decision and a punishment before admin has decided whats to be done. I will not gainsay admins choice in their decision either way it goes,because they know things we dont on what and why,And I firmly believe it's wrong of anyone to try and force the issue,and those are the players I was speaking to. Will you state your opinions and then wait for admin to do their job or will you demand swift justice now because you demand it? I dont read you as one of those players who is not going to wait for admin to do their job. Am I wrong?

They are trying to force the decision because they feel strongly about the way things are being run. I believe that if Masli doesn't get punished, we need to know everything there is to know about it, what happened behind the scenes etc. It can't be some bullshit reason that he doesn't get punished. If he doesn't get punished and we don't get to know the facts, throw me in with the mob.

[jgordon1111]

See there you are correct if there is no punishment,then disclose the reason(s) why not.If punishment is given then follow the rules for punishment and let the punishment be just. But until then why should admin say every step they take. All that needs to be said has already been said an investigation is being conducted. Wait for it to conclude,this cant be swept under the rug,so why is everyone screaming they want answers now.

[owenshooter]

Wait for it to conclude,this cant be swept under the rug,so why is everyone screaming they want answers now.

well... i think Blitz is still fresh in the minds of many and the initial bullshit investigation they conducted in that matter. after the blitz ordeal was initially concluded it took people taking to the forums asking why certain things had been ignored how he had gotten away with what he had done, etc, before the admins took a SERIOUS look at the matter. even then there was no point reset or real punishment, just a month away from the forums. less of a punishment than if he had violated one of their made up forum rules... a lot of active forum goers simply do not trust a large number of the mods/admins and it is coming to a tipping point...-el Jesus negro

[Master Bush]

conquerclub.com needs a public court, and all cases should be tried in these counts.

[Master Bush]

Multis and anyone receiving a permanent website ban have been immediately kicked out of games for a long time. I believe there was a post about it when it was implemented because people were upset about how multis could still play out their games and win points.

this is wrong. if you have a premium account, you are not kicked out of your games. only your multis are.

[GoranZ]

so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

Correction he has earned ~150 points from his last 86 games... he has around 1700 games from that type. Now can u do us a favor and calculate how many points had he earned?

Masli has not been a multi hunter for his entire time on the site, so unless he has played 1700 1v1 games since he became one, you can't try to extrapolate those numbers out.

I checked his last 86 public 1v1 games that last 24 hours and 25 from them ended with a ban. He has another 1600 games that fulfill the criteria, I don't have plans to check them all, 25 games form last 86 are enough for me. But if u like u can check the last (for example)286 games and share what u have found.

Masli has played 1700 1v1 games since he has become a multi hunter? Impressive.

You're not getting my point. Masli's very first 1v1 game was in 2007 (when 1v1 games were first released), and he was not a hunter at that time. Therefore, you cannot try to use 25/86 games to extrapolate points gained over 1700 games. I'm not going to be checking any games, but I just want to make sure you're getting your facts right as you go around accusing people of massive abuse.

Can u quote me where did i mention being a MH as criteria? I can not see it in my post... One more time I checked his last 86 public 1v1 games that last 24 hours... I never said that he was MH from 2007, but he didn't have to be since KA specified that not all bans were made by Masli . If 29% suspicious games from the last 86 games is not massive abuse then I don't know what is.

And yes I'm not getting your point, I can not read something that is not written.

[nebsmith]

conquerclub.com needs a public court, and all cases should be tried in these counts.

With you in charge of it ?

[s3xt0y]

conquerclub.com needs a public court, and all cases should be tried in these counts.

With you in charge of it ?

lol that would be special

[eddie2]

And yes I'm not getting your point, I can not read something that is not written.

then plz tell me where in the rules it states you cannot join games if you know someone is going to busted as a multi. This is the whole point there is no rule about it. I think instead of pursueing this case via masli we should be having a general conversation about the site rules in a general and get them more clear.

[owenshooter]

And yes I'm not getting your point, I can not read something that is not written.

then plz tell me where in the rules it states you cannot join games if you know someone is going to busted as a multi. This is the whole point there is no rule about it. I think instead of pursueing this case via masli we should be having a general conversation about the site rules in a general and get them more clear.

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!!! you went from stating that there is no way he could have done it to, "THERE ISN'T A RULE AGAINST IT, SO HOW CAN HE BE GUILTY?! CC IS GUILTY FOR NOT HAVING FORESEEN THIS AND MAKING AN APPROPRIATE RULE!" freaking wow!! just freaking wow...-0

p.s.-i know i am paraphrasing your statements, but damnit if this doesn't just beat all...

[HighlanderAttack]

And yes I'm not getting your point, I can not read something that is not written.

then plz tell me where in the rules it states you cannot join games if you know someone is going to busted as a multi. This is the whole point there is no rule about it. I think instead of pursueing this case via masli we should be having a general conversation about the site rules in a general and get them more clear.

eddie --if you cannot see this is cheating--I second the WOW WOW from owen

Really--you must be friends with him

[eddie2]

And yes I'm not getting your point, I can not read something that is not written.

then plz tell me where in the rules it states you cannot join games if you know someone is going to busted as a multi. This is the whole point there is no rule about it. I think instead of pursueing this case via masli we should be having a general conversation about the site rules in a general and get them more clear.

eddie --if you cannot see this is cheating--I second the WOW WOW from owen

Really--you must be friends with him

i don't see it as cheating ha because of some simple things.

1) no rule we can see against it.
2) like with farming cases he did not change his game style.
3)only way to bust him is by changing or adding a rule against it (something owen is pissed off at the way mods change rules to get a bust.)
4) apart from a game count how many games he has with people being busted there is no proof it was him doing the bust. i believe in innocent until proven guilty and i still don't see any form of proof. if he changed his game style or made posts in all the games saying he busted them then that would be enough proof but there isn't

[GoranZ]

And yes I'm not getting your point, I can not read something that is not written.

then plz tell me where in the rules it states you cannot join games if you know someone is going to busted as a multi. This is the whole point there is no rule about it. I think instead of pursueing this case via masli we should be having a general conversation about the site rules in a general and get them more clear.

Let me help u with the rules:

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Gambling, and **Illegal Point Collecting**, etc.

Did I made it big enough for u? I hope I did, the alternative is bad for u

[JoshyBoy]

I don't know why you guys waste your time responding to eddie. He's being obtuse, to say the least.