Dugcarr and questions from a concerned CC player.

[wicked]

You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "best".

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Johnny didn't sound arrogant to me. Quit fuckin' complaining about the points system and win your games. It's a pretty simple concept, win games get points.. And if you think we only lose 30 points to noobs try again. I don't complain when my pard and I lose 58 points apiece, And would have won 9 each had we won. If anything is broken it's how many we lose. And I'm not saying it is broken.

So you're saying it's not biased in favour of team games?

play a few dozen team games qeee1 if you are that worried about it, there are several super singles players who have lost points over all in teams, there rank has gone down from team play, zaw and andrewo are some and there are a few others like robinette as well, and others, so they dont seem to do well at teams and there rank gets hurt from it, and they are all awesome players, but lose points and rank when they play team games, so, depends on the player, there is skill at both and luck at both, do what is best for you.

gl in your journey and I thought you said your were done here? I invited you to play some games, but you said you were leaving, yet you posted 20 to 30 times in here last few days, and not playing any games? why? you are a super player qeee1 and should play a little more bro, peace.

he moves in the 1 game we are playing in together. He whined his last 4 moves so like always, im sure a negative feedback is coming.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "best".

for once wicked is correct. I should be number 1

[AAFitz]

You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "best".

for once wicked is correct. I should be number 1

A CC olympics would be cool to really find this out for sure.....a designated group of games played not for points, but for wins or losses...just to show some serious competition...I really would love to see a no points area that we could use for this...It would open up a whole new way to play

[qeee1]

Johnny didn't sound arrogant to me. Quit fuckin' complaining about the points system and win your games. It's a pretty simple concept, win games get points.. And if you think we only lose 30 points to noobs try again. I don't complain when my pard and I lose 58 points apiece, And would have won 9 each had we won. If anything is broken it's how many we lose. And I'm not saying it is broken.

So you're saying it's not biased in favour of team games?

play a few dozen team games qeee1 if you are that worried about it, there are several super singles players who have lost points over all in teams, there rank has gone down from team play, zaw and andrewo are some and there are a few others like robinette as well, and others, so they dont seem to do well at teams and there rank gets hurt from it, and they are all awesome players, but lose points and rank when they play team games, so, depends on the player, there is skill at both and luck at both, do what is best for you, i lost over or around 900 in teams in last month, not good, and won 150 or so in singles. depends on the players, all skills and strat are different for players, it's individualized.

gl in your journey and I thought you said your were done here? I invited you to play some games, but you said you were leaving, yet you posted 20 to 30 times in here last few days, and not playing any games? why? you are a super player qeee1 and should play a little more bro, peace.

team games aren't my style, they're not so much fun for me because there's no psychology involved. Well not to the same extent anyway. I'm an average team game player, like I was an average singles player, before I got practice. I'm not automatically good at things, like when I started I was down near 900 points I think, but I learn well.


Anyway my point is that sure some people are better at team games, some people are better at singles, but overall the score system is biased towards team games, due to two reasons-

1. Ability to pick on random teams in open games.
2. Removal of risk factor from other players, as detailed in Samus' post in this thread.

As for me quitting, yes I am, I'm just waiting for my remaining commitments to finish off. I have one tourney game that'll soon be over, and that game johnny mentioned that's been going on for months.


As for johnny, no negative feedback, don't think you did enough to warrant it, I just really hate your style of play. In my opinion it's a very selfish conservative style. If everyone played that way I think few games would ever end, but that's just my opinion.

I must admit I'm more into the community aspect of the site then the playing, but once I finish up playing I'll disappear from here too. Just happened to be a bunch of topics here recently that interested me.

[Robinette]

... and I thought you said your were done here?

As for me quitting, yes I am, I'm just waiting for my remaining commitments to finish off.

I must admit I'm more into the community aspect of the site then the playing, but once I finish up playing I'll disappear from here too. Just happened to be a bunch of topics here recently that interested me.

so it's true...
and just when I was beginning to like you...

Well a proper send off would be some std esc games with the top players on that singles list.... this type of game doesn't last more than a week on the classic map... you willing to put your cockeyness on the line? hee hee

[Samus]

You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "best".

Then, what is the official purpose of rank/points? In all other things, a rankings scoreboard would be a rough rating of ability. I realize the system can never be perfect, but you're saying it has nothing to do with anything, so why do we even have it at all?

[Hologram]

You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "best".

Then, what is the official purpose of rank/points? In all other things, a rankings scoreboard would be a rough rating of ability. I realize the system can never be perfect, but you're saying it has nothing to do with anything, so why do we even have it at all?

Ooh and aah purposes.

[bleu_falcon]

[Nikolai]

The reason it's easier to win doubles than singles and triples than doubles has nothing to do with the system being broken. It's because if you put the games out there for anyone to play, you're likely to pick up 5-8 out of 10 with teams that aren't well organized, or are just starting, or got wrecked because a nubcake joined at the wrong moment. As far as I'm concerned, if you're willing to spend the time to develop a good team, and you're willing to risk the points, you've earned the points from those games. And it is a risk, because if some moderately organized but low ranking team joins and gets lucky on the drop, the rolls, the cards, or just for some reason outplays you, you get hurt BAD. System's not broken. It just doesn't necessarily guarantee the same level of play at triples as it does at singles.

[Blitzaholic]

The "best" players here have nothing to do with points.

oh, but it does have something to do with it wicked. the very best of the best players on this site are ranked over 2000, maybe not all who are there, but a vast majority, if you took a poll and there has been some in the past of who the best players on the site were bu cc community, i can guarentee you that vast majority will have solid rankings. some of the names that were mentioned were: and not in this order,

osujacket, scorba, mm17, nuke, blitzaholic, qeee1, juventino, zaw, robinette, andrewb, cyberdaniel, lazaruslong, eye84free, alstergren, akiceman, cmeb4udie, bretzsky, marvaddin, pedronicus, rlorange, etc... these were some of the names that a lot considered months ago, now I am sure there is several more, but the point is, they are not only super players, but they got great rankings, and I highly doubt any of them will ever drop below a 2000 rank, and if so, it will never last long, they will rise, so the scoreboard does have something to do with being the best, obviously not everything NO, but you do have to factor it in some coupled with other variables, true? I think most agree, and this is also evidenced by the cc players in this community, most anyways.

Does it show who the best is? No! Does it show that a few dozen are so far ahead of many others? YES.

So, the scoreboard does play a part, not the whole part, but a part.

[wicked]

You don't get it Blitz b/c you're all about points. Others understand.

[clapper011]

blitz u happen to forget about honor? among other things?

[AAFitz]

there are a few phenomenal players, that always stay below the 2000 mark, but only because of the games they play....the ones that come to mind are Fireside, Fortress, wachica, and probably wicked too...and then you have the players like clapper, that just make this place a pleasure to play despite her score or rank... and I know there are more....

I myself would be far higher if I devoted myself to just doubles...when dug got his badge I played tons of 5 player games that I lost...had I not...Id have followed him pretty high up the ladder, but I actually prefer the 2000-2200 mark...it allows me the most flexibility with my games....at 2500-2700, the stakes get to be so high, theres almost no way to play anything you cant win almost every time.

But for the most part, I agree with blitz...the cream does rise to the top..any good player will eventually find a way to gain the colonels hat give or take a few points....Not to say that every good player will....to some degree, it does come down to choices...

My favorite games have been the colonels games...no one complains...not many make silly mistakes, you can trust every one of them, and there arent usually any easy wins...though...there are exceptions to all of these......Myself, I dont care how many points I have next to my name...I just want enough to play the better players and really have a blast...

[poo-maker]

The "best" players here have nothing to do with points.

oh, but it does have something to do with it wicked. the very best of the best players on this site are ranked over 2000, maybe not all who are there, but a vast majority, if you took a poll and there has been some in the past of who the best players on the site were bu cc community, i can guarentee you that vast majority will have solid rankings. some of the names that were mentioned were: and not in this order,

osujacket, scorba, mm17, nuke, blitzaholic, poo-maker, qeee1, juventino, zaw, robinette, andrewb, cyberdaniel, lazaruslong, eye84free, alstergren, akiceman, cmeb4udie, bretzsky, marvaddin, pedronicus, rlorange, etc... these were some of the names that a lot considered months ago, now I am sure there is several more, but the point is, they are not only super players, but they got great rankings, and I highly doubt any of them will ever drop below a 2000 rank, and if so, it will never last long, they will rise, so the scoreboard does have something to do with being the best, obviously not everything NO, but you do have to factor it in some coupled with other variables, true? I think most agree, and this is also evidenced by the cc players in this community, most anyways.

Does it show who the best is? No! Does it show that a few dozen are so far ahead of many others? YES.

So, the scoreboard does play a part, not the whole part, but a part.

thanks for sticking me in there, much appreciated

[Capt Killroy]

ok i play with blitz all the time my score is low 940 ok now let me tell you when i win a game with blitz i get 8 did you hear me 8 very small points

when we lose we lose between 35 to 45 points did you hear me

35 to 45 points for a loss!!! did you get that do i need to say i again

so how is blitz fucking the points system tell me i like to know

because i want 4000 points also but at 8 points a victory it will take 2 lifetimes

to reach that goal the point system is fine you dont hear me bitching about 8 points thats 8 points for a victory now do you

so do me a favor and shut the f*ck up about the point system dug is wrong

[subjekt]

your post says it all man....do you really think blitz really wants to play with a handicap like you? LOL....I have got nothing agaisnt blitz but think about it if he were to play with a colonel or so the points would be that much more less...you are a pawn used to buffer the points. Funny thing is that you dont even see it !!!! LOL...there is a reason you have 940 points obviously, intelligence is not your forte is it?

-Sub-

P.S- we all have to work the point system to rise to the top....I admit I did it however I stuck with my guys and they are all majors and above right now.

[alster]

Yes. I have to agree with a lot of people above.

Of course the current system is broken! It’s unfair since people get points when playing with other settings than the honourable ones. People abuse it and chase scores. And most importantly, people becomes so used to getting scores all over the place that they grow soft and believes that they are entitled to points.

After months of pondering, I made a suggestion to amend the system a week ago. Predictably though, all the abusers and team players were against it…

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305690#305690

[DavSav]

Yes. I have to agree with a lot of people above.

Of course the current system is broken! It’s unfair since people get points when playing with other settings than the honourable ones. People abuse it and chase scores. And most importantly, people becomes so used to getting scores all over the place that they grow soft and believes that they are entitled to points.

After months of pondering, I made a suggestion to amend the system a week ago. Predictably though, all the abusers and team players were against it…

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305690#305690

If anything should be done it should be that you can not play newbies if you have 3k points. If you have 3k points you should at least play some more experienced players. Lets say 1600 is a cutoff for 3k players. Only really free points is taken from newbies.

But I as said earlier on, if anyone only play for points and not for challenge let them get their free points. Lot of high ranking players fall short when playing good players. Team games are hard to win when playing decent players

[qeee1]

Your solution doesn't really solve the problem most people see, that is the discrepencies between regular and team play.

You do propose a suggestion to another problem though, which is points inflation, however I don't think that the proposed solution is the best one.

As for the other problem you list, people thinking they deserve to be high points, or to get points, I don't think that's a paticular problem.

[Samus]

It’s unfair since people get points when playing with other settings than the honourable ones.

Hey, I actually like triples, it's only a happy coincidence it is the best game type for points. I'd play it even if it yielded the least points.

One thing that will help this is soon new recruits will not be allowed to join team games. No free deadbeat points for you! Come back, one year!

[Sammy gags]

2007-03-31 17:40:46 - dugcarr1: I can show u my credit card recipet if u guys "ACCIDENTLY" erased those records like u clam u "ACCIDENTLY" erased 50 of my games
2007-03-31 17:41:20 - dugcarr1: AND IM STILL WAITING ON AT LEAST 1 EMAIL EXPLAINING YOUR ACTIONS
2007-03-31 17:41:32 - dugcarr1: no one has told me shit
2007-03-31 18:05:49 - wicked: 1. I didn't delete your games, lack did, and he explained why, and why your account was cancelled in the forums.
2007-03-31 18:07:56 - wicked: 2. refunds are not given when accounts are banned, and memberships are not transferrable
2007-03-31 18:15:02 - wicked: 3. you asked for a refund first
2007-03-31 22:43:47 - dugcarr1: LACK says,,, page 23 on ban dug........"""" accidentally deleted a few good games because I punched in the wrong game numbers. Ooops """
2007-03-31 22:44:14 - dugcarr1: sure u did,,, real nice explanation
2007-03-31 22:46:06 - dugcarr1: kinda funny ,,,, first time in over 40,000 games,,,,,, OOOPS eh? nice show you guys are running here,, still waiting on that apoiligy and a transfer and an explanation of why i was cancelled because of words. there were NO secret allainces EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-03-31 22:47:22 - dugcarr1: give my 30$ to charity then ,, i dont give a shit theres no way u guys should keep it, i dont care about the $$$ just the princible here
2007-03-31 22:48:47 - dugcarr1: and u call me a greiver ,, out to do most damage to this site eh,,,,,, i could show u guys what im capable if youd like,,,, guess since u guys said that shit about me it couldnt hurt me to acually practice it then.
2007-03-31 22:49:27 - dugcarr1: i give u 24 hours post this and respond
2007-04-01 01:25:42 - dugcarr1: someone tell tinniweanni to quit fucking putting BULLshit lies in qotes and saying i said that. and tell him to FUCKING PROVE IT,,,,,
2007-04-01 01:26:52 - dugcarr1: NEVER ONCE did i EVER tell ant one of me "FRIENDS" here or anyone any secret plans,,,,,,THERE WAS NO SECRET ALLIANCE EVER!
2007-04-01 01:29:07 - dugcarr1: only rules u claim i broke "Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat,"
2007-04-01 01:29:28 - dugcarr1: there was no COLLUSION BETWEEN 2 players!
2007-04-01 01:30:05 - dugcarr1: there was me TALKING only, so
2007-04-01 01:30:10 - dugcarr1: 1) NO COLLUTION
2007-04-01 01:30:23 - dugcarr1: 2) NO MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS
2007-04-01 01:31:10 - dugcarr1: your only 2 rules,, and i didnt break them.........PROVE IT,,, sighting specific examples
2007-04-01 05:47:40 - wicked: if you have a complaint, please contact the admin via the contact page
2007-04-01 14:21:48 - dugcarr1: I CANOT CONTACT ANYONE AND WAS GIVIN NO EXPLAINATION OR EMAIL OR PM
2007-04-01 14:22:44 - dugcarr1: and master bush, i saw your picture and realizr your only around16 years old, but dont call me a coward, please.
2007-04-01 14:23:44 - dugcarr1: I was only 1 of the poeple arounf here to stand up for himself and my rights
2007-04-01 14:24:47 - dugcarr1: and one of the only high ranking player not to be agogant , or a snob or blow smoke up the mods asses and always exept a challange to ANY ONE beacuse i loved the game of RISK
2007-04-01 14:25:39 - dugcarr1: i emailed CC 5 days ago and was not emailed back a explanation
2007-04-01 14:26:33 - dugcarr1: and for those of u who cant see what im trying to do for it then thats to bad, maybe realy look at the big picture
2007-04-01 14:28:08 - dugcarr1: and by listining to the mods, im sure there mostly a bunch of live at home with there parents no life i can read forums all day tipe of people
2007-04-01 14:28:34 - dugcarr1: is this who u guys really want running YOUR SITE
2007-04-01 14:29:07 - dugcarr1: YES YOUR SITE ,,, not lacks or the mods or any other douch bag,, your all payed for a piece of this ITS YOURS.
2007-04-01 14:29:39 - dugcarr1: dont bend over so easy and bow down, and be afriad to ask for a change in a obvoiusly broken system.
2007-04-01 14:30:51 - dugcarr1: demand it fixed! dont let these lasy 20$ collecting COMMIES get away with being this lasy and selfish, ITS ALL YOUR PEOPLES SITE TO GOD DAMIT STAND UP FOR YOUR SELFS
2007-04-01 14:32:19 - dugcarr1: and for the record, i said give my 30% to charity or to another player here, dont give me non trasferable BS. its a click of the mouse for LACK smartin up and start explaining yourself
2007-04-01 16:18:05 - dugcarr1: nice english, i think lack is trying to say f*ck u guy this is my site and i can change launguge if i want
2007-04-01 16:18:29 - dugcarr1: or he just pissed off the wrong person with some computer skills
2007-04-01 21:15:30 - dugcarr1: You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "bes
2007-04-01 21:16:25 - dugcarr1: T" says wicked
2007-04-01 21:17:45 - dugcarr1: most inteigent shit u have ever fucking said,,,, stick to the facts like that and u may just about prove yourself usful around this place
2007-04-02 04:46:51 - wicked: I'm not hung up on points like you are dug. the best players are the ones I enjoy playing with, not b/c they win but b/c of how they act.
2007-04-03 16:07:41 - dugcarr1: and what is this secret allaince talk,,,, THERE WERE NO SECRETS with me not winning games tinnywinny u f*ck,,, keep using big words and trying to pass of your opion as facts NO SECRET Allince
2007-04-03 16:08:31 - dugcarr1: i started and join about 120 games woth the intention of not winning as i posted about a bunch before my right to speach was taken from me, then i acted.
2007-04-03 16:10:06 - dugcarr1: i only joined subject couple of games to speak with him because i had no other method, if i wanted someone i know to have all my points i would just played with them u gimp. not a few games with them and over 100 with strangers, with all your fancey
2007-04-03 16:11:20 - dugcarr1: writting skill u think you know not to outright tell a lie and pass it off as fact, why dont u use your head for a minute on FACTS not outright lies please
2007-04-03 21:14:12 - dugcarr1: just so the people in forums know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
2007-04-03 21:15:22 - dugcarr1: I pm ed captin killroy and OFFERED him a 20 membership to give me his password as so i could play blitz,
2007-04-03 21:16:24 - dugcarr1: no $$$ changed hands, or passwords were givin or recived, or were there any allainces or multi accounts.
2007-04-03 21:17:30 - dugcarr1: but the mods of the site with all there maturatedy and wisdom (avarage age of a mod is 18) banned me for comincating with anyone here for 4 moths,,, NO FORUMS OR PMs
2007-04-03 21:18:45 - dugcarr1: they never sent me an email or anything explaining there actions, and i didnt even break any of there rules, i have emailed them on few acations asking nicely about there actions but no reason was givin
2007-04-03 21:20:26 - dugcarr1: then for a few diffenet reasons (under protest) i anounced just before they instituted there "punishment" for me NOT breaking any rules I anounced i would be giving away all my points ( I WAS 3rd place in this usless score system)
2007-04-03 21:21:25 - dugcarr1: then i started over 100 games with the porpose of losing them all.
2007-04-03 21:22:34 - dugcarr1: a few of my online buds were trying to comunicate with me , but as the mods took away my write free speach or speach at all.
2007-04-03 21:23:30 - dugcarr1: I decided to join a few (dont know the # but less then 10) games they had going, for the sole purpose of talking to them, as i had no other way
2007-04-03 21:24:07 - dugcarr1: then they erased about 60 or so of games, half of wich were on round 3 or higher.
2007-04-03 21:25:00 - dugcarr1: wicked and lack said it was an accident if u (read forum) then they cancelled my acount .
2007-04-03 21:25:37 - dugcarr1: I had 1 year membership givin to me as gift from another player and i had paid for 1 my self.
2007-04-03 21:25:59 - dugcarr1: so i had just over 1 and a half years left.
2007-04-03 21:27:10 - dugcarr1: i wanted a refund or my remaining member ship to go to someone i know here, or givin to a charity,,,,,they have decided to keep it for them selves.
2007-04-03 21:28:34 - dugcarr1: if you anyone has any integant questions for me feel free to ask me in 1 of the few games i have going, (that they didnt "accidently erase")
2007-04-03 21:29:14 - dugcarr1: i am still waiting for at least an email explaining there actions or an explanation on which of there 2 rules i broke.
2007-04-03 21:30:44 - dugcarr1: i plead all of u reading this to think twice about paying for a membership were they will deny u a right to speak and cancell your PAYING membership with u breaking ant rules or them giving u an explaination
2007-04-03 21:31:06 - dugcarr1: THERE WAS NO SECERT ALLAINCES I HAD!!! EVER!
2007-04-03 21:31:27 - dugcarr1: THERE WAS NEVER A MULTI ACCOUNT!!!! EVER!
2007-04-03 21:31:48 - dugcarr1: only peoples fucked up opinions and lies.
2007-04-03 21:32:45 - dugcarr1: alot of what i did was about making a statment, and about the broken point system and how i can be easily manipulated
2007-04-03 21:34:31 - dugcarr1: it wasnt to much about blitz,,, he just happenen to be my poster boy because he was in 1st place , a pompuse ass, constantly pm ing people and asking them to post on his behalf against me (see threds and ask his pals about it)
2007-04-03 21:35:27 - dugcarr1: and he would pick low ranking players score under 700 to be his lackys in doubles and triples games so he would acumulate more points (which he admits)
2007-04-03 21:36:24 - dugcarr1: he also lied to me when i asked to play him (I was in 3rd he was 1st) on several ocations about why he couldnt play me.
2007-04-03 21:37:12 - dugcarr1: then he blocks me when i called him on it and left me negitve feedback (revenge) in a game we played 4 months prior,,,, before i new him
2007-04-03 21:38:23 - dugcarr1: never deleted ,,, probley cause he plays in the snob club with the mods using password well making fun of newer people..... ive been in a few of those games and didnt like them much cause they thought they were better then evry one else
2007-04-03 21:39:42 - dugcarr1: so ill keep letting you guys come to own conclutions about why i did what i did,,, few of u have been right , and ALOT have been wrong,,, but most have been LIEING arogant illinformed ass pirates
2007-04-03 21:40:35 - dugcarr1: like i said , if u want to know the truth write to me in 1 of my games before there are all gone and i disapare.

[Capt Killroy]

ok fireside first off you make no sense , if blitz get only 8 points per victory how in hell is he buffing anything .i would love to see some cols and gens come and play us ,

but they are all a bunch of pussies cause they don't want to give up there points ,

and i would to get more points then 8 so bring it on all you high ranking pussies !!!!

the systems not broke your all scared little girls!! cause a privet like me will kick your ass and you all cant handle it lol.!! its not my fault or blitz fault that you and others like you don't join, all of are games are public games anybody can join .

bring it on

come get some

[qeee1]

ok fireside first off you make no sense , if blitz get only 8 points per victory how in hell is he buffing anything .i would love to see some cols and gens come and play us ,

but they are all a bunch of pussies cause they don't want to give up there points ,

and i would to get more points then 8 so bring it on all you high ranking pussies !!!!

the systems not broke your all scared little girls!! cause a privet like me will kick your ass and you all cant handle it lol.!! its not my fault or blitz fault that you and others like you don't join, all of are games are public games anybody can join .

bring it on

come get some

So you're saying it's just a coincidence blitz chooses low ranking partners, or that nearly all the highest ranked people on the scoreboard play almost exclusively doubles and triples.

And if you're shouting about scared, ask any of the highranking players to start an open standard game.

I'd take up your offer were I not quitting.

[subjekt]

ok fireside first off you make no sense , if blitz get only 8 points per victory how in hell is he buffing anything .i would love to see some cols and gens come and play us ,

but they are all a bunch of pussies cause they don't want to give up there points ,

and i would to get more points then 8 so bring it on all you high ranking pussies !!!!

the systems not broke your all scared little girls!! cause a privet like me will kick your ass and you all cant handle it lol.!! its not my fault or blitz fault that you and others like you don't join, all of are games are public games anybody can join .

bring it on

come get some

Ill play you pussy....PM me passwords or whatever, tell you what here is my deal...you pick your partner we have a match of 10 the overall loser in games ( not points ) leaves the site forever fucktard! True war!!

-Sub-

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