Thank you Master Bush

[Master Bush]

You do realize you're pretty much the poster boy for crazy conspiracy theories at this point, yeah? Everyone is out to get you. Someone doesn't agree with you? They're "part of the spin machine". All the way down to your comment about coming back to CC to "fight injustices".

It's a little bit crazy.

and a little bit tasty.

[Crazyirishman]

You do realize you're pretty much the poster boy for crazy conspiracy theories at this point, yeah? Everyone is out to get you. Someone doesn't agree with you? They're "part of the spin machine". All the way down to your comment about coming back to CC to "fight injustices".

It's a little bit crazy.

I dont know about you, but I am out to get him, I know jef jef and several of his accounts are as well, owen has being racist to him, and nobody is quite sure what shenanigans King Herpes is up to, to conspire against master bush.

[jefjef]

i d dont like <insert name>.. not really.. i dont like <insert name>.


they know it... but i respect all men.


they get suspended... and I see the same shit.. Ill be taking all of you on.


Im like your really bad fucking mean self conscience.


you are not going to kick a man down on my watch..



torture me... vilify me3... f*ck you. I can take it more than anyone.


<insert name> is ok

I sure did miss Army of No buses.

[Master Bush]

You do realize you're pretty much the poster boy for crazy conspiracy theories at this point, yeah? Everyone is out to get you. Someone doesn't agree with you? They're "part of the spin machine". All the way down to your comment about coming back to CC to "fight injustices".

It's a little bit crazy.

I dont know about you, but I am out to get him, I know jef jef and several of his accounts are as well, owen has being racist to him, and nobody is quite sure what shenanigans King Herpes is up to, to conspire against master bush.

King_Herpes is an alrite chap!

[niMic]

To be fair, everyone should be a little bit afraid of King Herpes. When I go to bed, I first check if he's under the bed or in the closet.

I'm pretty sure he's a Dexter type.

[Master Bush]

and for the record, i like evil semp. i was once his apprentice back in the day. i've even played a bunch of team games with jefjef, and he is a fine teammate.

[Paddy The Cat]

Hey man, instead of complaining, why don't you just making a suggestion in the suggestion forum to add in some sort of rule that can consider this gross abuse of the game? You just have to identify what he's doing under some sort of objective rules.

If you haven't done this, do it. If you have, you just gotta wait and see if it goes anywhere. If it does... great! - you can have the rule implemented and GLG will have to stop. If it doesn't, then just live with it. It's just a game, anyways, ya know?

[Master Bush]

Hey man, instead of complaining, why don't you just making a suggestion in the suggestion forum to add in some sort of rule that can consider this gross abuse of the game? You just have to identify what he's doing under some sort of objective rules.

If you haven't done this, do it. If you have, you just gotta wait and see if it goes anywhere. If it does... great! - you can have the rule implemented and GLG will have to stop. If it doesn't, then just live with it. It's just a game, anyways, ya know?

I thank you for this post, but you have to understand, people have tried, and tried, and tried to get things changed around here, to stop his tactics, but the mods turn a blind eye to it all. suggestion threads, farming threads in the c&a forums, general discussion threads about it. Nothing.

[natty dread]

you have to understand, people have tried, and tried, and tried to get things changed around here, to stop his tactics, but the mods turn a blind eye to it all.

What exactly do you suggest though? Do you want it to be against the rules to play against anyone who is of lower rank than you?

Can generals play against captains? What about lieutenants, can they play against sergeants?

If a sergeant is a lot more skilled than a field marshal, is the sergeant farming when he plays against the field marshal?

[Master Bush]

here's one: you can not make private 1v1 games and invite players below 1200 points if you are higher than 2000.

or you can't make 1v1 private games and invite players with less than 20 games played?

[TheGeneral2112]

or you can't make 1v1 private games and invite players with less than 20 games played?

If you make this the rule, then you will bitch about GLG playing games with players on their 20th game.

[Master Bush]

or you can't make 1v1 private games and invite players with less than 20 games played?

If you make this the rule, then you will bitch about GLG playing games with players on their 20th game.

nope. 20 games is plenty for a players to get familiar with whats going on here at CC.com.

[natty dread]

Ok, so what if a player with less than 1200 points or less than 20 games wants to play against someone with more than 2000 points?

Will you tell them they can't do that? Are they too stupid to decide for themselves who they want to play against?

[jgordon1111]

Well MB you are now making rational points, why not put it in the suggestion forum,and when you post in any other forum have your sig block asking for support for this suggestion? Isnt that easier than getting in trouble and peeving a bunch of people off?

[Master Bush]

Isnt that easier than getting in trouble and peeving a bunch of people off?

easier? sure. as entertaining? hardly.

[natty dread]

Well MB you are now making rational points

What points are those? I don't see any, all I see is whining about how someone else gets points too easy, and enjoy rank they don't "deserve" on some people's standards.

What I want to know is, why do those people think their standards are universal? Why do they think everyone should enjoy CC the same way they do? If someone wants to be cowardly and play games they have 90% chances of winning, well, I think it's stupid but I would never deny them it. After all, the low ranks can make their own decisions about who they want to play against.

Making more rules about farming is not the right answer. All it will do is take away the freedom to play against who you want to play against.

What should be done is give the low ranks more opportunities to know which maps and settings are difficult. Sort the maps into categories, add small info texts on game selection pages and other pages, maybe mouseover texts on game settings that describe how they work. Maybe add warnings / confirmations (ones you can turn off) when someone is about to join a game on a difficult map/settings.

And tweak the scoring system so that it doesn't reward playing this way. But don't tell the players who they can or can't play against, that's kind of a fascist attitude to be honest.

[King_Herpes]

I FUCKING HATE MODS, THEY'RE BULLYS!!! THIS THREAD SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND!!! MODS MAKE ME SICK I FEEL SICK!!!

[jgordon1111]

natty what I meant was making points he could go to suggestions forum with,instead of ranting about the system and players and mods and...............

[Paddy The Cat]

Well MB you are now making rational points

What I want to know is, why do those people think their standards are universal? Why do they think everyone should enjoy CC the same way they do? If someone wants to be cowardly and play games they have 90% chances of winning, well, I think it's stupid but I would never deny them it. After all, the low ranks can make their own decisions about who they want to play against.

Your ideaology is that of a fantasy world. By implementing this 'scoreboard' CC has absolutely ruined any chance of your ideaological world becoming actualized. What you're describing is the equivalent of allowing a professional sports team to create their own schedule, hand optional steroids out to the team, and, if the team wants, it could play 16 high school teams for its regular season. I mean, if that's the way they enjoy football, who are we to deny them of it, right?

When the system is set up to be competetive there will be [until the end of time] complaints, modifications, and additions to the rules. It happens in the real world, and it will happen on CC. Not to mention people pay to play here.

Also, your belief has a paradox to it. You say, "why do those people think their standards are universal? Why do they think everyone should enjoy CC the same way they do?" obviously implying that your belief that all standards are not universal should be universal itself. You might find that it is least hippocritical for you to just remain silent. I actually agree with you for the most part, and I rarely write in the high-school-drama/soap-opera-like threads, but I feel like you aren't aware of your own contradictions to yourself.

[natty dread]

Your ideaology is that of a fantasy world. By implementing this 'scoreboard' CC has absolutely ruined any chance of your ideaological world becoming actualized. What you're describing is the equivalent of allowing a professional sports team to create their own schedule, hand optional steroids out to the team, and, if the team wants, it could play 16 high school teams for its regular season. I mean, if that's the way they enjoy football, who are we to deny them of it, right?

Your analogy is flawed. CC is not a professional sports league, CC is a casual gaming site where people come to play for fun. The vast majority of players on CC play it just to have some fun, and don't care about scores or ranks or the "purity of the scoreboard".

Now you're telling them they don't get to play who they want because they might give up their points too easily. Stop having fun guys, this is serious business!

Also, it kinda seems like you're comparing all low-ranked players on CC to high school kids? Kinda condescending, isn't it?

When the system is set up to be competetive there will be [until the end of time] complaints, modifications, and additions to the rules. It happens in the real world, and it will happen on CC. Not to mention people pay to play here.

Exactly, people pay to play here. People pay to to play against who they choose, on maps and settings of their choice. They don't pay to be protected and held from the hand just so their fragile little minds don't get traumatized from losing a game.

Also, your belief has a paradox to it. You say, "why do those people think their standards are universal? Why do they think everyone should enjoy CC the same way they do?" obviously implying that your belief that all standards are not universal should be universal itself.

Your argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's a faux-clever retort that doesn't hold water in any meaningful context. There's no paradox in saying there is no universal standard, since the statement does not contradict itself - the lack of a standard is not equal to a standard, therefore the lack of a universal standard is not a universal standard by itself.

For that matter, it's a fact that people have different standards - there's over 16000 active players on CC and if you believe they all feel the same way about how CC should be played then you're seriously deluded.

You might find that it is least hippocritical

I don't criticize hippopotami, so I don't really have any way of being less "hippo-critical", but ok.

for you to just remain silent.

Hey, thanks for the advice, buddy. I'll take it in serious consideration.

I actually agree with you for the most part, and I rarely write in the high-school-drama/soap-opera-like threads, but I feel like you aren't aware of your own contradictions to yourself.

You might want to pratice this "agreeing with someone" thing a bit more. But hey, glad that you agree!

[demonfork]

...

You might find that it is least hippocritical

I don't criticize hippopotami, so I don't really have any way of being less "hippo-critical", but ok....

[Paddy The Cat]

Your analogy is flawed. CC is not a professional sports league, CC is a casual gaming site where people come to play for fun. The vast majority of players on CC play it just to have some fun, and don't care about scores or ranks or the "purity of the scoreboard".

Firstly, analogies are always flawed. If I compared to things that were exactly alike, then I would be comparing thing A with thing A. I'm saying its similar, not equal. And you're probably right about the vast majority, but does that mean the people who play to win cannot strive for a fairer system?

Now you're telling them they don't get to play who they want because they might give up their points too easily. Stop having fun guys, this is serious business!

Some people have fun with serious competition.

Also, it kinda seems like you're comparing all low-ranked players on CC to high school kids? Kinda condescending, isn't it?

I dont think you understood the analogy. Let me reiterate: The talent of high ranked players on CC is to NFL players as the talent of low ranked players is to high school football players. If that insults someone, so be it. It seems reasonably valid. Not everyone has equal skill in everything.

Exactly, people pay to play here. People pay to to play against who they choose, on maps and settings of their choice. They don't pay to be protected and held from the hand just so their fragile little minds don't get traumatized from losing a game.

Well, if GLG has the right to do as he does, doesn't MB have the right to do whatever he feels he must to stop GLG since he believes it is gross abuse of the game?

Also, your belief has a paradox to it. You say, "why do those people think their standards are universal? Why do they think everyone should enjoy CC the same way they do?" obviously implying that your belief that all standards are not universal should be universal itself.

Your argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's a faux-clever retort that doesn't hold water in any meaningful context. There's no paradox in saying there is no universal standard, since the statement does not contradict itself - the lack of a standard is not equal to a standard, therefore the lack of a universal standard is not a universal standard by itself.

For that matter, it's a fact that people have different standards - there's over 16000 active players on CC and if you believe they all feel the same way about how CC should be played then you're seriously deluded.

In the first paragraph, you ignore my implication. If my implication is false, say so. Then my arguement makes no sense. But I already said i was making an arguement based on some assumption. I'll let you reread that one and if what I implied is false, then obviously desregard my comment.

The second paragraph is actually what I was saying.I was arguing that people will have different beliefs. You seemed upset that there are people who feel as though their standard is universal. Well, since people have a right to their own beliefs, they have a right to believe that everyone on CC will think as they do. I do not believe that everyone on CC wants to play CC the same way. I was agreeing with you.

I don't criticize hippopotami, so I don't really have any way of being less "hippo-critical", but ok.

Oops, Freudian slip. HYPOcritical. Thanks, Webster.

Hey, thanks for the advice, buddy. I'll take it in serious consideration.

I bet you will.

You might want to pratice this "agreeing with someone" thing a bit more. But hey, glad that you agree!

Always great to converse with the open minded! Wasn't insulting you... not sure what I did wrong. Constructive criticism obviously hurts you, I'll refrain.


Let me just say a simple clear observation. Everyone has began to bash Master Bush for harping on and on about GLG, saying that he has now become more pathetic than GLG himself! Well, Natty, you seem to follow every thread MB has posted in, or any thread related to this topic. That makes you no better than Master Bush. You just don't see your own hypocracies. I tried to explain it to you, but you just spent the time thinking of smart-ass comments, instead of listening. Get a life man! Hey.... why not leave the thread to die? Let it waste away to the second page of the GD forum and begone! If nobody feels the way MB does and nobody replies... then he will stop posting! Or you can keep commenting in every thread relating to MB and GLG and carry on with your downward spiral to their levels. Do whatever you want, but I for one am shocked that so many 20 and 30 and 40 somethings could be so immature. You guys should all be ashamed of yourself and even though I disagree with MB I can't help but feel bad for him because he has sort of become public enemy number 1. He does no better [usually] so I cant take his side either, but to not fel bad for him would make me heartless in my own eyes, as he appears to have virtually no one in his corner.

[natty dread]

Firstly, analogies are always flawed.

No they're not. An analogy is something that describes something else by finding similarities in the concepts. When the analogy describes it's target fairly it can be said to be apt. When the analogy fails to do that it is flawed.

For example, I could compare my penis to the tower of Pisa - leans slightly to the side but stays erect for centuries. Now that's an apt analogy.

However, if I were to compare a mallard to a watermelon because both love fancy hats, that would be a flawed analogy. While some mallards might conceivably develop a love for fancy hats, watermelons are not sentient and thus aren't capable of appreciation for fine headwear.

Some people have fun with serious competition.

Some people have fun with a lot of things. Some people even have fun with my penis. However, CC is a casual gaming site, it says so on the front page.

I dont think you understood the analogy.

It's not that complicated, really.

Let me reiterate: The talent of high ranked players on CC is to NFL players as the talent of low ranked players is to high school football players. If that insults someone, so be it. It seems reasonably valid. Not everyone has equal skill in everything.

No, it's flawed, in several ways. Firstly, rank doesn't accurately reflect skill and never has, it has much more to do with the kinds of games you choose to play. If I were to only play triples or quads with some skilled players, I could easily get my rank up to the first page, as could anyone with a halfway decent understanding of the game.

Secondly, you were using the analogy to justify why high-ranked players shouldn't be allowed to play low-rankers as much as they want. While NFL players playing against high schoolers in a professional setting wouldn't be in any way reasonable, the same doesn't apply to CC: in CC even the highest ranked players aren't playing their CC games professionally, they don't have sponsorships or professional careers - everyone who plays this game is, regardless of their rank or skill, doing it on an amateur basis. Again, it's a casual gaming site.

Well, if GLG has the right to do as he does, doesn't MB have the right to do whatever he feels he must to stop GLG since he believes it is gross abuse of the game?

No, he doesn't. Like it or not, GLG is well within the rules of the site, and MB does not have the right to do "whatever he feels" to stop him. For example, MB does not have the right to break the forum guidelines or break the site rules in his crusade against GLG.

Like it or not, CC is not a democracy, and the site owner has a right to decide what is allowed and what isn't here. Ultimately, if lackattack - or by extension, the site admin - decides that GLG is not cheating, then however much MB wants to "believe" it to be "gross abuse", it isn't.

MB does have the right to complain and express his opinion, within reasonable limits. However, other people also have the right to express their opinion, and they can post counter-arguments if they disagree with MB:s arguments.

You seemed upset that there are people who feel as though their standard is universal. Well, since people have a right to their own beliefs, they have a right to believe that everyone on CC will think as they do.

Sigh... everyone has the right to believe that the world is square and made of shit for all I care. However if they try to argue their view publicly, other people have the right to challenge those views.

Always great to converse with the open minded! Wasn't insulting you... not sure what I did wrong. Constructive criticism obviously hurts you, I'll refrain.

I don't think "constructive criticism" means what you think it does. It's not some magic pair of words that gives you the right to say anything and not expect your points to be argued against. You can't first make a series of arguments, then when they are refuted cry "well I was just trying to give constructive criticism". It doesn't work that way.

In other words, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Let me just say a simple clear observation. Everyone has began to bash Master Bush for harping on and on about GLG, saying that he has now become more pathetic than GLG himself! Well, Natty, you seem to follow every thread MB has posted in, or any thread related to this topic. That makes you no better than Master Bush. You just don't see your own hypocracies. I tried to explain it to you, but you just spent the time thinking of smart-ass comments, instead of listening. Get a life man! Hey.... why not leave the thread to die? Let it waste away to the second page of the GD forum and begone! If nobody feels the way MB does and nobody replies... then he will stop posting! Or you can keep commenting in every thread relating to MB and GLG and carry on with your downward spiral to their levels. Do whatever you want, but I for one am shocked that so many 20 and 30 and 40 somethings could be so immature. You guys should all be ashamed of yourself and even though I disagree with MB I can't help but feel bad for him because he has sort of become public enemy number 1. He does no better [usually] so I cant take his side either, but to not fel bad for him would make me heartless in my own eyes, as he appears to have virtually no one in his corner.

TL;DR.

[Paddy The Cat]

Firstly, analogies are always flawed.

No they're not. An analogy is something that describes something else by finding similarities in the concepts. When the analogy describes it's target fairly it can be said to be apt. When the analogy fails to do that it is flawed.

For example, I could compare my penis to the tower of Pisa - leans slightly to the side but stays erect for centuries. Now that's an apt analogy.

However, if I were to compare a mallard to a watermelon because both love fancy hats, that would be a flawed analogy. While some mallards might conceivably develop a love for fancy hats, watermelons are not sentient and thus aren't capable of appreciation for fine headwear.

Some people have fun with serious competition.

Some people have fun with a lot of things. Some people even have fun with my penis. However, CC is a casual gaming site, it says so on the front page.

I dont think you understood the analogy.

It's not that complicated, really.

Let me reiterate: The talent of high ranked players on CC is to NFL players as the talent of low ranked players is to high school football players. If that insults someone, so be it. It seems reasonably valid. Not everyone has equal skill in everything.

No, it's flawed, in several ways. Firstly, rank doesn't accurately reflect skill and never has, it has much more to do with the kinds of games you choose to play. If I were to only play triples or quads with some skilled players, I could easily get my rank up to the first page, as could anyone with a halfway decent understanding of the game.

Secondly, you were using the analogy to justify why high-ranked players shouldn't be allowed to play low-rankers as much as they want. While NFL players playing against high schoolers in a professional setting wouldn't be in any way reasonable, the same doesn't apply to CC: in CC even the highest ranked players aren't playing their CC games professionally, they don't have sponsorships or professional careers - everyone who plays this game is, regardless of their rank or skill, doing it on an amateur basis. Again, it's a casual gaming site.

Well, if GLG has the right to do as he does, doesn't MB have the right to do whatever he feels he must to stop GLG since he believes it is gross abuse of the game?

No, he doesn't. Like it or not, GLG is well within the rules of the site, and MB does not have the right to do "whatever he feels" to stop him. For example, MB does not have the right to break the forum guidelines or break the site rules in his crusade against GLG.

Like it or not, CC is not a democracy, and the site owner has a right to decide what is allowed and what isn't here. Ultimately, if lackattack - or by extension, the site admin - decides that GLG is not cheating, then however much MB wants to "believe" it to be "gross abuse", it isn't.

MB does have the right to complain and express his opinion, within reasonable limits. However, other people also have the right to express their opinion, and they can post counter-arguments if they disagree with MB:s arguments.

You seemed upset that there are people who feel as though their standard is universal. Well, since people have a right to their own beliefs, they have a right to believe that everyone on CC will think as they do.

Sigh... everyone has the right to believe that the world is square and made of shit for all I care. However if they try to argue their view publicly, other people have the right to challenge those views.

Always great to converse with the open minded! Wasn't insulting you... not sure what I did wrong. Constructive criticism obviously hurts you, I'll refrain.

I don't think "constructive criticism" means what you think it does. It's not some magic pair of words that gives you the right to say anything and not expect your points to be argued against. You can't first make a series of arguments, then when they are refuted cry "well I was just trying to give constructive criticism". It doesn't work that way.

In other words, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Let me just say a simple clear observation. Everyone has began to bash Master Bush for harping on and on about GLG, saying that he has now become more pathetic than GLG himself! Well, Natty, you seem to follow every thread MB has posted in, or any thread related to this topic. That makes you no better than Master Bush. You just don't see your own hypocracies. I tried to explain it to you, but you just spent the time thinking of smart-ass comments, instead of listening. Get a life man! Hey.... why not leave the thread to die? Let it waste away to the second page of the GD forum and begone! If nobody feels the way MB does and nobody replies... then he will stop posting! Or you can keep commenting in every thread relating to MB and GLG and carry on with your downward spiral to their levels. Do whatever you want, but I for one am shocked that so many 20 and 30 and 40 somethings could be so immature. You guys should all be ashamed of yourself and even though I disagree with MB I can't help but feel bad for him because he has sort of become public enemy number 1. He does no better [usually] so I cant take his side either, but to not fel bad for him would make me heartless in my own eyes, as he appears to have virtually no one in his corner.

TL;DR.

The whole, 'rank does not show skill' thing is subjective. Spoken like a true lieutenant there! Rank is some indication of talent. So are medals. And sure, playing a wide variety of maps with many settings with success indicates talent. Rank is part of the picture, however... think you can be a general with just trips games? Do it up, I dont think you'd make it.

I think you don't like my analogy because you do not believe that rank is [b]any[b] indication of skill. If that's what you believe... well then I guess my analogy would not be very logical to you.
Not gonna argue over literary devices here, its just masking the true topic of debate.


I agree, MB should stay within reasonable limits. You are very nit-picky... it doesn't make you look intelligent, just annoying and immature. Obviously I wasn't implying that MB should kill lackattack and take over CC to get what he feels is right. Or that he should continually flame GLG. Or anything else illegal. I shouldn't have to explain the obvious...

I know what constructive criticism is, that's why I asked what I did wrong... I was never vulgor, and I rebuttled virtually all your counterarguements.

Figured you wouldn't read anything with more than 7 lines in a row.

The point is, you think everyone else's beliefs are apeshit crazy, and only your beliefs are logical, rational, and sane... right? Everyone has the right to think what they want, but if you do not like it then you, the great Natty, must come down and enlighten the poor lost soul.

The point is, your all on the same level of ass. GLG, MB, and you and the others who have posted in just about every single thread related to this topic. All of you believe someone else should be the bigger man, someone else should see it your way and change. MB says the games GLG plays are unfair. You guys say MB is whiny and his threads are repetitive. Then a new thread starts and it repeats. Well, hey... When you guys come into his threads and say he is a repetitive whiner... it makes you all just the same!

SO why dont you, the purely righteous natty_dread, become part of the solution instead of part of the problem? Stop contributing to MB's high school drama threads and just let them all waste away to the pits of GD. If he crosses a line, I am sure team CC will take appropriate action.

[AndyDufresne]

This page of long posts makes for a...well...long read. Kudos to anyone else that has done it.

For your reward, I present you with a bush master.

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--Andy