Locking of Threads

[Frop]

Back on topic. I asked Lance why Maxatstuy's thread was locked, received an answer and replied again (quoted below).

I have been following it, but I cannot act. The problem was, people kept jumping in and bickering up and back. People have given their versions of the facts, but the last 4 pages have just been people arguing with one another. C&A is not the place to continue an argument, from what I have gathered there is a flame wars topic to which they can all go or people can send PMs. The longer the thread gets, the longer it will take for something to be done about it because the hunters need to read the entire thread and in a case like this it will probably not be decided by just one hunter, but it will get a pending tag for a while and be looked at by all the hunters and maybe even an admin. Sorry, but the thread needed to be locked.

lancehoch

You can't act, yet you lock the thread. The bickering people however were still on topic and although emotionally unstable at times, they did discuss whether or not Max is abusing his babysitting privileges. On top of that I haven't gathered that there's a FW thread as I don't frequent that part of the forum and I think using PMs is an even more ridiculous suggestion.

As far as the hunters are concerned, they've only bothered to bust a few quickies in the past few days which suggests they were around and might've had some time left to read up on the forum they're supposed to run.

There have been similar threads in the past with the same heated discussion. I'm sure you're familiar with them, even though most of them went down prior to you joining the site. Last but not least, locking a thread just because it might take a bit longer to read isn't a valid excuse.

[LFAW]

I think the reason it was locked was because of me and Frop which I apologise for.

(One of his comments annoyed me so I decided to call him an idiot so that might be it )

But it shouldn't have been locked there was never an offtopic reply said in that thread. I don't see why it shouldn't be unlocked.
Even in my reference to Frops idiocy I still argued his points...

Regards,
LFAW

[hulmey]

Now the reason threads get locked is becuase someone makes a childish comment like GFY and then another person jumps in with something and before you know it , hey presto, topic has changed and turned into a troll fest. If people werent so idiotic and chilidsh then threds might not get locked. You all have no one to blame but yourselves! You lock threads and not the mods

[Bruceswar]

Now the reason threads get locked is becuase someone makes a childish comment like GFY and then another person jumps in with something and before you know it , hey presto, topic has changed and turned into a troll fest. If people werent so idiotic and chilidsh then threds might not get locked. You all have no one to blame but yourselves! You lock threads and not the mods

Mods are too quick to lock threads, because they think it is getting out of hand.

[hulmey]

Now the reason threads get locked is becuase someone makes a childish comment like GFY and then another person jumps in with something and before you know it , hey presto, topic has changed and turned into a troll fest. If people werent so idiotic and chilidsh then threds might not get locked. You all have no one to blame but yourselves! You lock threads and not the mods

Mods are too quick to lock threads, because they think it is getting out of hand.

Alright if thats the case show me the threads they have locked to quickly. The only way to change is from within. Facts dear sir...

[Bruceswar]

Now the reason threads get locked is becuase someone makes a childish comment like GFY and then another person jumps in with something and before you know it , hey presto, topic has changed and turned into a troll fest. If people werent so idiotic and chilidsh then threds might not get locked. You all have no one to blame but yourselves! You lock threads and not the mods

Mods are too quick to lock threads, because they think it is getting out of hand.

Alright if thats the case show me the threads they have locked to quickly. The only way to change is from within. Facts dear sir...

Check the Maxatstuy thread in C&A. That one was just getting good as far as debates go. I did not see flames, outside of what Max was flaming at us. Sure LFAW and Frop had a few words, but it was a discussion. Not 4 pages of rants, like lach said.

[Fruitcake]

Have you received a reply to the PM you mentioned earlier Bruce?

[KoE_Sirius]

Now the reason threads get locked is becuase someone makes a childish comment like GFY and then another person jumps in with something and before you know it , hey presto, topic has changed and turned into a troll fest. If people werent so idiotic and chilidsh then threds might not get locked. You all have no one to blame but yourselves! You lock threads and not the mods

Mods are too quick to lock threads, because they think it is getting out of hand.

Alright if thats the case show me the threads they have locked to quickly. The only way to change is from within. Facts dear sir...

Check the Maxatstuy thread in C&A. That one was just getting good as far as debates go. I did not see flames, outside of what Max was flaming at us. Sure LFAW and Frop had a few words, but it was a discussion. Not 4 pages of rants, like lach said.

QFT .This is just one Thread.The question really is what threads actually warranted a lock .I personally can drift past childish comments and read thru the interesting stuff .I suspect most of you can .
Most of the threads locked do not even break ANY of CCs liberal rules .
A short warning within the forum will do ..Really it will .

[hulmey]

Ok so you found 1 thread and the mods were right to close it. The cheating forums is for reporting cheats. Give them the facts and then get the hell out! Bruce , you and others were doing far more than reporting facts, you were posting your opinons. then it started turning into flame wars thread!

[Bruceswar]

Ok so you found 1 thread and the mods were right to close it. The cheating forums is for reporting cheats. Give them the facts and then get the hell out! Bruce , you and others were doing far more than reporting facts, you were posting your opinons. then it started turning into flame wars thread!

Sometimes people say the wrong things and get caught up in the moment, but a good discussion on account babysitting tied in with Max was taking place. There was also more evidence and ideas brought up. I see C&A as more of a court of the public. Sometimes it takes for something to be brought into public light, before people start digging deeper into things. I think as you can tell, there was great interest in the thread. Within 24 hours there was over 80 replies and close to 900 views. Naturally when someone goes into court things can get a bit heated at times, but I did not see flames, outside of Max flaming people, and Frop and LF on the last page a bit. Point being is they were quick to lock it down. They would have been better served leaving it open and just removing a few people off the forums for a bit.

[owenshooter]

Sincerely,
GFY-

Classy

About as classy as his pms he sent me....

wow... let's look at the PM's i sent you... i feel badly about getting this off topic, but scott is so wrong, it is hilarious. and then to accuse me of sending him vile PM's like what he just posted in the GD is laughable. clearly, anyone familiar with his game chat, knows exactly who the offensive member is here.. anyway, here are the "offensive" pm's i sent scottland. as usual, up to my same ol' offensive tactics i use in the forums. you know, being rational and having an actual discussion.

w/e

whatever? i just don't appreciate you invoking my name as if i'm some massive GD offender. the threads that were locked were not mine. i wasn't flaming, it was a "precaution" to prevent any flaming or escalation to occur... just keep it straight. i didn't start any flame threads, and i didn't flame in the GD.

thats not the point- the point has nothing to do with you being in the right or wrong. point is they should start banning people

i was banned because of a history i have with paradicecity9. the thread is about locking threads, not banning players. paradicecity9 put a flame thread in the GD, not me. keep your facts straight, if you are going to discuss me in the forums. thanks.-0

anyway, yeah, tossing people that are openly breaking rules is fine. but using me as an example was beyond ridiculous. i don't think you realize how much i help the mods in the GD, and how often i am asked about things that are going on to help the mods evaluate if something is ok or needs to be locked. however, since they banned me, i've stopped helping the mods, and have stopped hanging around the GD as much. it is nice to see the dumb threads about Medals, Dice, Rankings, Congrats, etc, remain on the top, instead of witty and fun threads... oddly enough, mods are asking me why i've stopped helping... anyway, just think your using me as "the example" was wrong.-0

[owenshooter]

Have you received a reply to the PM you mentioned earlier Bruce?

my experience with responses from the powers that be, are that they lack any sort of substance that may actually help a person understand why things are how they are on CC. i have a 4 year old, and i have yet to say, "because i told you so" or "because that is just how it is." however, when i routinely ask people questions, that is exactly what i get. there are exceptions. wacicha, twill, the fuzzy pengui and lancehoch are examples of that exception. often times they will go out of their way to try and find out why something is, or to help me understand it better. however, the locking of a great debate in a thread that is CC sensitive is something that nobody can ever explain away.-0

[Scott-Land]

I didn't read the 2nd or 3rd pms when you sent it Owen- not about to now. But that's your typical style of posts- you put one sentence that's on topic and the next 4 paragraphs are off topic. You're not sorry- it's your form of entertainment. Just don't involve me. I reposted to clarify but that wasn't good enough. I won' get into a debate with you because that's your cup of tea to get every thread you post in off topic.

Some quality posts that have been made since- I do apologize to all the readers for trying to making a point with all the flames- still didn't get a pm to warn me tho'.

[Bruceswar]

Have you received a reply to the PM you mentioned earlier Bruce?

No response yet. None at all, but they could be busy.

[hulmey]

Have you seen how you have all derailed this topic?????

You guys just never learn. I hope a mod comes in here and starts banishing the offenders for 24 hours!

[owenshooter]

I didn't read the 2nd or 3rd pms when you sent it Owen- not about to now. But that's your typical style of posts- you put one sentence that's on topic and the next 4 paragraphs are off topic. You're not sorry- it's your form of entertainment. Just don't involve me. I reposted to clarify but that wasn't good enough. I won' get into a debate with you because that's your cup of tea to get every thread you post in off topic.

this is exactly the problem we are talking about... someone doesn't read a post or they have poor reading comprehension and assume they need to defend themselves, when in actuality, if they just slowed down and read the written word, they would realize you are agreeing with them, instead of saying "GFY".. this isn't game chat scott, this is an attempt at a civil discussion, and i agreed with you SOMEWHAT. why don't you slow down, and read the words i wrote, before you fire off half cocked, like you do in game chat. when you do that, you lead to threads being locked. sorry i had to prove just how wrong you were about your accusations about my horrible pm's, but i am just growing tired and weary of those that seem to have trouble with the written work and basic reading comprehension. seriously, i AGREE with you in the statement that caused you to tell me to GFY:

and as far as scottland's suggestion to just start banning people left and right to keep control of the GD, using myself as an example, is SOMEWHAT ridiculous. often times, mods are off base or behind on what is going on. for instance, there are many inside jokes flying around the GD that often receive official or friendly warnings, because a new mod is unaware of the GD's history. a fortunate few of the new mods actually ask members that spend time in the GD to help them determine if something is truly an offense or if it is a joke they are unaware of. however, if you ban people that are truly breaking rules and causing general mayhem, i see no problem with that. i think scottland chose a poor example when he named me as an offender of note.

[hulmey]

I didn't read the 2nd or 3rd pms when you sent it Owen- not about to now. But that's your typical style of posts- you put one sentence that's on topic and the next 4 paragraphs are off topic. You're not sorry- it's your form of entertainment. Just don't involve me. I reposted to clarify but that wasn't good enough. I won' get into a debate with you because that's your cup of tea to get every thread you post in off topic.

this is exactly the problem we are talking about... someone doesn't read a post or they have poor reading comprehension and assume they need to defend themselves, when in actuality, if they just slowed down and read the written word, they would realize you are agreeing with them, instead of saying "GFY".. this isn't game chat scott, this is an attempt at a civil discussion, and i agreed with you SOMEWHAT. why don't you slow down, and read the words i wrote, before you fire off half cocked, like you do in game chat. when you do that, you lead to threads being locked. sorry i had to prove just how wrong you were about your accusations about my horrible pm's, but i am just growing tired and weary of those that seem to have trouble with the written work and basic reading comprehension. seriously, i AGREE with you in the statement that caused you to tell me to GFY:

and as far as scottland's suggestion to just start banning people left and right to keep control of the GD, using myself as an example, is SOMEWHAT ridiculous. often times, mods are off base or behind on what is going on. for instance, there are many inside jokes flying around the GD that often receive official or friendly warnings, because a new mod is unaware of the GD's history. a fortunate few of the new mods actually ask members that spend time in the GD to help them determine if something is truly an offense or if it is a joke they are unaware of. however, if you ban people that are truly breaking rules and causing general mayhem, i see no problem with that. i think scottland chose a poor example when he named me as an offender of note.

owen, can you please stop taking topics off track, before i report you myself!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott-Land]

I suggest they warn LF or whomever for flaming if that's the case- if they continue then give a temp ban like they did Owen. Are there no other options for these Mods outside of shipping threads to Flame Wars and/or Locking them?

Let me clarify that my reference to Owen has nothing to with why he was banned or if he was in the wrong or right. My point is they should issue warnings and then do a temporary ban instead of locking a thread- a sensible option.

C'mon seriously- Owen.....

[Timminz]

owen, can you please stop taking topics off track, before i report you myself!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussing threads being taken off-topic, is not quite the same as taking them off-topic. At least, not in this thread, as that is the main reason for the locking of threads, which we are discussing here.

Far too often, I see people either fail to read, or to fully understand what has been written in a well-thought-out, and articulate post, and just assume that because the post disagreed with them (even just a little), that they are being "flamed". This then leads to "gfy" or "stfu" or whatever, which aren't really flames, but have no place in public discussions.

Regardless of the cause, I think the effect could be altered in the way that a lot of people here seem to support. More warnings and bans (where necessary). I think there should be a step before the punishments though. If the mods, could just open a discussion with the different parties in a particular "disagreement", through PMs, they would be able to get a better understanding of what is actually going on in that particular case, and would be better able to decide the best course of action. As I'm not a mod, I don't know, maybe they already do this, but if so, it would seem to me, they could do it more/better.

I'm very appreciative of the work the mods do here, but there's always room for improvement.

[t-o-m]

I know, look at my thread - they didnt even tell me they locked it or give a reason why it had to be locked!
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=60552

[Timminz]

From the Maxastuy thread:

I am unlocking this thread. Can we please remain on topic, that includes not responding to the previous post if it is off topic. If you do try to derail this thread you will be receiving a PM.

This is the kind of thing I would like to see more of. No doubt, someone will try to derail the topic again, but at least now they know that it will not be tolerated, and they will be dealt with individually, rather than getting the thread locked again.

[Bruceswar]

From the Maxastuy thread:

I am unlocking this thread. Can we please remain on topic, that includes not responding to the previous post if it is off topic. If you do try to derail this thread you will be receiving a PM.

This is the kind of thing I would like to see more of. No doubt, someone will try to derail the topic again, but at least now they know that it will not be tolerated, and they will be dealt with individually, rather than getting the thread locked again.

I 100% agree here

[Juan_Bottom]

Not to go off topic, but isn't that off-topic?

[KoE_Sirius]

owen, can you please stop taking topics off track, before i report you myself!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think he was taking the topic off track .He was just explaining what happened in a thread that was "Locked" .We may have to discuss other peoples views on threads that got locked .That is what a forum is all about .Now that you have explained Owen .I hope you can get down to what you actually want out of a forum and what we want as a community .
What I want is for Mods to Stop locking popular Threads just "Because" .

[owenshooter]

I am unlocking this thread. Can we please remain on topic, that includes not responding to the previous post if it is off topic. If you do try to derail this thread you will be receiving a PM.

This is why lance is fastly becoming one of my favorite and "go to" mods... i mean, this is a perfect solution to what plagues many serious threads that last for more than a few pages. sure, a bit of tomfoolery is fine, and fun, and even better when mixed in with a serious response. but when a thread starts getting derailed, this is a great way to make the out of control behaviour cease. cheers to lance for trying something new and thinking outside of what is normal CC procedure. i hope this proves effective.-0