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Postby juventino on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:02 pm

but it isnt unwritten???? Just look in the rules....
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:02 pm

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Risktaker17 wrote:I'd do it, its an unwritten rule. UNWRITTEN! who cares. You can't ban someone for being unspoptsmanlike.


Yes we can and we have. Dugcarr comes to mind and there have been others as well. And we made sure to write down the unwritten rule for ya. :wink:


Would the people who the points are given get point reset. They shouldn't they may have no clue they were going to deadbeat so many speedgames.
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Postby hwhrhett on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:02 pm

Risktaker17 wrote:Future winner of BR I will gladly take your points I made this idea well known and I want a proper thanx.


your a douche, there have been at least a dozen threads about this in the past.
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Postby wicked on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:03 pm

Risktaker17 wrote:It isn't a loophole. Let's say I wanna play 1000 speedgames then I happen to need to go.


Anyone who deadbeats that many games we'll look at and discuss appropriate action, as we are now with rocky.
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Postby DiM on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:04 pm

wicked wrote:All this would fall under what I call the Sporstmanlike Rule, which you can read under the "unwritten rules" section of the rules page. If you do it and we find out about it, which is likely as people will be pissed, then you run the risk of punishment. So "forever and ever" might only be a few hours until your points are stripped.


are you sure wicked? how can you prove that my wife didn't start my 1000 speed games? i can even get a webcam declaration of her saying she did it.

the unwritten rules you have make things even more subjective and shady than they were before.
there's no way you could punish a person for doing this. nothing in the rules says you have to pay for the mistakes your wife does.

remember the case of benjikat where he dropped to 200 points because his wife started like 60 speed games to make him quit.
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Postby hwhrhett on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:05 pm

DiM wrote:
wicked wrote:All this would fall under what I call the Sporstmanlike Rule, which you can read under the "unwritten rules" section of the rules page. If you do it and we find out about it, which is likely as people will be pissed, then you run the risk of punishment. So "forever and ever" might only be a few hours until your points are stripped.


are you sure wicked? how can you prove that my wife didn't start my 1000 speed games? i can even get a webcam declaration of her saying she did it.

the unwritten rules you have make things even more subjective and shady than they were before.
there's no way you could punish a person for doing this. nothing in the rules says you have to pay for the mistakes your wife does.

remember the case of benjikat where he dropped to 200 points because his wife started like 60 speed games to make him quit.


i think you are responsible for the actions of anybody that you give your password to, if your wife is that angry at you, i dont see how its anybodies fault but your own.
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Re: If you know you can win br5 pm me

Postby billy07 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:06 pm

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Risktaker17 wrote:If you know you will win br5 Pm me I know a secret that will make you conqueror forever and ever.


it's not a secret everybody knows it :wink:

get in BR to hold the entire world and leave the last player with 1 terit. then start 1000 speedgames and deadbeat. you'll get to score 1.

then kill the last guy in BR and you get 11200 points.
retire in fame. :lol:

i have warned about this problem with BR and with the ignore list problem on BR before and nobody listened. i actually hope the winner does this.
how do you know this will happen?
no, how do you know that you would get 100 points for 112 people just because you deadbeat 1000 speed games?

because i'm smart and i can do math :P
just multiply 112people with 100 points and you got a nice profit.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:06 pm

hwhrhett wrote:
DiM wrote:
wicked wrote:All this would fall under what I call the Sporstmanlike Rule, which you can read under the "unwritten rules" section of the rules page. If you do it and we find out about it, which is likely as people will be pissed, then you run the risk of punishment. So "forever and ever" might only be a few hours until your points are stripped.


are you sure wicked? how can you prove that my wife didn't start my 1000 speed games? i can even get a webcam declaration of her saying she did it.

the unwritten rules you have make things even more subjective and shady than they were before.
there's no way you could punish a person for doing this. nothing in the rules says you have to pay for the mistakes your wife does.

remember the case of benjikat where he dropped to 200 points because his wife started like 60 speed games to make him quit.


i think you are responsible for the actions of anybody that you give your password to, if your wife is that angry at you, i dont see how its anybodies fault but your own.


She could be pmsing haha
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Postby wicked on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:06 pm

I'm sure we look at each case individually. I wasn't aware of the benjikat case, so don't know what was done in that instance. You are responsible for your account and whatever is done with it.
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Postby DiM on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:06 pm

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Risktaker17 wrote:I'd do it, its an unwritten rule. UNWRITTEN! who cares. You can't ban someone for being unspoptsmanlike.


actually you can. youd recieve a points reset and perhaps have your premium withdrawn. knowingly using loopholes in the system is a violation of the rules.


are you sure? then why did skyt receive a warning for using a loophole but he wasn't stripped of premium or got a point reset? :roll:

think about it. :wink:


why don you start cheating dim, and see what they do?

btw, this was added to the rules the same week as the skyt fiasco



Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.


perhaps you'd be more interested in the cheating to get to conqueror thread i started yesterday. there are ways to bend the rules and cheat. and escape without punishment.

this is just one of them.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:08 pm

It appears to be perfectly legal.
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Postby DiM on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:09 pm

wicked wrote:I'm sure we look at each case individually. I wasn't aware of the benjikat case, so don't know what was done in that instance. You are responsible for your account and whatever is done with it.


nothing was done in that instance because it wasn't benjikat's fault. look at his thread. you'll find it in general discussion i think 1 month ago. it was a really nasty thing what his wife did but he had no fault.

he's now back up to captain because he's a really good player.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:09 pm

What if they didn't dedabeat. What if they played a lot of 1v1 doodle games they would die before 3 turns
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Postby DiM on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:11 pm

wicked wrote:You are responsible for your account and whatever is done with it.


so when did this rule appear? i don't think it exists :roll:

and it can't exist until a proper sitter function is implemented (i and many others suggested it before with no result)

here's the entire rules page. show me where it says you're responsible for your account and the actions of your wife/girlfriend/sitter.

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Cheaters detract from the gaming experience of all Conquer Club players, and proactive measures are employed to enforce fair-play. Conquer Club reserves the right to suspend accounts and cancel Premium Memberships, with or without warning, of those players who are deemed to have violated the rules.
Rule #1: No multiple accounts

Multiple accounts are discovered by routine scans and community cheating reports. They are strictly forbidden whether or not they play in the same games. If you suspect certain accounts belong to the same person, please report it following the instructions at the top of the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum.
Rule #2: No secret alliances

Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat, in English or in a language all players understand. Secret alliances can be hard to prove, but if you suspect one you should leave the players in question negative feedback. If the players have a history of suspected secret alliances consider reporting it following the instructions at the top of the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum.
Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.
Forum Guidelines

Our moderation policy for the forum is outlined in the forum guidelines.
Harassment Policy

"Trash-talking" can be a fun element of the game and we take a liberal stance on what is allowed to be said in game chat. If one player offends another we generally do not want to get involved. However, in cases of extreme obscenity or extreme harassment (in our judgement) we may take disciplinary action against the offending member.

If you find yourself in a game with someone who offends you, simply add the member in question to your Ignore List and his/her comments will disappear.
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Postby hwhrhett on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:14 pm

DiM wrote:
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Risktaker17 wrote:I'd do it, its an unwritten rule. UNWRITTEN! who cares. You can't ban someone for being unspoptsmanlike.


actually you can. youd recieve a points reset and perhaps have your premium withdrawn. knowingly using loopholes in the system is a violation of the rules.


are you sure? then why did skyt receive a warning for using a loophole but he wasn't stripped of premium or got a point reset? :roll:

think about it. :wink:


why don you start cheating dim, and see what they do?

btw, this was added to the rules the same week as the skyt fiasco



Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.


perhaps you'd be more interested in the cheating to get to conqueror thread i started yesterday. there are ways to bend the rules and cheat. and escape without punishment.

this is just one of them.


ive kept up with the cheating threads recently and have posted in most of them dim, and it seems to me that you are way more interested in exploiting these "loopholes" than fixing them. why not be posting in suggestions instead with these things. and be a part of having them fixed? instead your egging on douchebags like risktaker and krusher that are only interested in abusing the rules in whatever way they seem fit.

i know your an honorable guy, but seriously, i dont see anything your doing as helping anybody except for the cheaters.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:14 pm

Show me on the instructions page where t says you aren't allowed to deadbeat. No where its unwritten.
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Postby hwhrhett on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:15 pm

Risktaker17 wrote:Show me on the instructions page where t says you aren't allowed to deadbeat. No where its unwritten.


it is written.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:16 pm

Its not an abuse of the rules. What rule says it can't be done.
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Postby wicked on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:16 pm

DiM wrote:
wicked wrote:You are responsible for your account and whatever is done with it.


so when did this rule appear? i don't think it exists :roll:


The "unwritten rule" is our catchall to cover cases like these. It's your responsibility to secure your account.
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Postby DiM on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:18 pm

hwhrhett wrote:ive kept up with the cheating threads recently and have posted in most of them dim, and it seems to me that you are way more interested in exploiting these "loopholes" than fixing them. why not be posting in suggestions instead with these things. and be a part of having them fixed? instead your egging on douchebags like risktaker and krusher that are only interested in abusing the rules in whatever way they seem fit.

i know your an honorable guy, but seriously, i dont see anything your doing as helping anybody except for the cheaters.


if i were interested in exploiting the loopholes i'd be #1 now ;) the fact that i'm just a struggling captain kinda shows i haven't used any of the methods.

and i will not post in suggestions because frankly so far the suggestions haven't been really taken care of. it takes too much damn time for any suggestion to be implemented. time in which any cheater can read my suggestion and apply it.

i haven't revealed any of the cheating/abusing/rule bending ways i know and i won't reveal them to anybody in public. i will pm them to lack or a mod when i see the skyt krusher situation has been taken care of.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:18 pm

I hope the winner of the Br does it
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Postby krusher on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:20 pm

wicked wrote:
DiM wrote:
wicked wrote:You are responsible for your account and whatever is done with it.


so when did this rule appear? i don't think it exists :roll:


The "unwritten rule" is our catchall to cover cases like these. It's your responsibility to secure your account.


what if you have a evil twin brother who can read your mind and likes to cheat? :roll:
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:21 pm

good point krush
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Postby hwhrhett on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:21 pm

DiM wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:ive kept up with the cheating threads recently and have posted in most of them dim, and it seems to me that you are way more interested in exploiting these "loopholes" than fixing them. why not be posting in suggestions instead with these things. and be a part of having them fixed? instead your egging on douchebags like risktaker and krusher that are only interested in abusing the rules in whatever way they seem fit.

i know your an honorable guy, but seriously, i dont see anything your doing as helping anybody except for the cheaters.


if i were interested in exploiting the loopholes i'd be #1 now ;) the fact that i'm just a struggling captain kinda shows i haven't used any of the methods.

and i will not post in suggestions because frankly so far the suggestions haven't been really taken care of. it takes too much damn time for any suggestion to be implemented. time in which any cheater can read my suggestion and apply it.

i haven't revealed any of the cheating/abusing/rule bending ways i know and i won't reveal them to anybody in public. i will pm them to lack or a mod when i see the skyt krusher situation has been taken care of.


skyt is no longer playing freestyle games last i checked, i would say that situation is over now.
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Postby DiM on Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:23 pm

wicked wrote:
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wicked wrote:You are responsible for your account and whatever is done with it.


so when did this rule appear? i don't think it exists :roll:


The "unwritten rule" is our catchall to cover cases like these. It's your responsibility to secure your account.


not really. ask any lawyer, he'll tell you that unwritten rule will not cover such a case or other cases. yes it is good in certain circumstances but loopholes are present, ready to be exploited. it's only a matter of time before more and more people will find them.

risktaker just found a loophole that i told about a long time ago. no rules were changed then and everybody said i'm crazy. same thing about the br/ignore list trick. people said i'm nuts and the rules weren't changed. it seems the policy around here is to change the rules after somebody really goes and abuses the loophole to convince you guys.

if the unwritten rule would have been introduced when i first told about the br exploits then skyt would have been properly punished
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