Cunt Inequality

[BoganGod]

It's a disgusting word anyway. Why is it necessary in the first place on a fricken game?

How is it a disgusting word? So cunt is disgusting, and cock is not? Would women just get over the fact that, like men they have genitals. Take the word back. Cunt is one of the oldest slang/swear words in modern usage if not the oldest. Cunnis, cunni, from the latin. Who used to affectionately refer to a woman's vulva as piggie, piggle wiggle etc. Plump and pig, like a cute little piglet. I blame christianity for women and men thinking of female gentalia as dirty, and all descriptive non clinical words as dirty by association.

May all that are offended by the word CUNT, get ingrown hair on their privates and both arms in plaster casts. Your collective puritanical attitudes make me sick.

Do you read anything I post?

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The word vagina is a modern monstrosity. Shakespeare didn't use it, so it's not a real word.

Generally I don't read anything you post. Since you stopped taking your meds and went rogue, triple posting, duk style stickies etc. The quality of your posts have gone down, and the quantity has gone up.

[Gweeedo]

Cunt has no feeling when directed towered a male...you were in error.
You might want to try; Mother fucking, Cock sucking, blue balled bitch...now that cuts strait to the Bone!

Calling somebody a cunt sounds so idiotic...you were justifiably chastised.
Don't you think this is a little childish (why am I getting punished while f*ck nuts gets off the hook )?
Now go play your game like a good boy...play nice.

[demonfork]

demonfork, that's because you're a jackass and no one actually likes you. Quit, please.

This almost hurt my feelings That is until I considered the source.

[Shannon Apple]

It's a disgusting word anyway. Why is it necessary in the first place on a fricken game?

How is it a disgusting word? So cunt is disgusting, and cock is not? Would women just get over the fact that, like men they have genitals. Take the word back. Cunt is one of the oldest slang/swear words in modern usage if not the oldest. Cunnis, cunni, from the latin. Who used to affectionately refer to a woman's vulva as piggie, piggle wiggle etc. Plump and pink, like a cute little piglet. I blame christianity for women and men thinking of female gentalia as dirty, and all descriptive non clinical words as dirty by association.

May all that are offended by the word CUNT, get ingrown hair on their privates and both arms in plaster casts. Your collective puritanical attitudes make me sick.

It has nothing to do with genitals. The word is classified as the worst word in the English dictionary for a reason. It's what it stands for aside from that. Generally when someone wants to take the worst possible dig at someone, going as low as they can go, this is the word that they use. In fact, growing up, I didn't even know that the word had anything to do with a woman's vagina, but I knew many other terms. Maybe it's because that side of it is so stigmatised, no one would use it in that respect for how they'd be viewed socially. One shouldn't assume that everyone uses a word in the same way. That's how liberally it is used here to describe more men than women. Used most often here against males because it's much worse than throwing an F bomb in a fight. Different cultures use words differently, or think of them in a different light, eventhough they may have another meaning. Okay, with the rise of social media, kids now are more aware of the true meaning of it, BUT I still stick to my guns on how hateful and disgusting that word is.

No one calls someone a cock or dick, to reflect that level of hate. Bollox means idiot when used in a different light. None of them words are pure hate/anger.

[JBlombier]

for instance... if i break a rule, i get an auto 6 months vs. a member that may get a day or two or three... glad to hear they are re-visiting this...

I must say this does sound a bit strange. It's a good thing Owen brings this up, because he's had his fair share of bans, but seems to lay rather low compared to the past.
Is it really true that if Owen would do something very small, but enough to get him banned, he'd get the 6 months, because of what happened earlier in his 'CC-career'?

I'm using Owen as an example, because I think it gets the point across, but of course this questions counts for numerous people. Also for people who come back after years, wanna play a game again, look on the forums and expect a Flame-Wars-mentality and get banned for a year within a week. It doesn't sound like the way to go.

- JBlombier

[Shannon Apple]

I don't think it works like that JBlomier.

I'd say mods do have some discretionary leeway in cases like that. Like, if someone committed an offense 3 years ago, have been active for quite some time since and did something to get an infraction after such a long time of good behaviour, I don't think they'd be following an accumulating punishment scale from back then. That would be kinda pointless to be honest. I think the logical thing in that case is to discount previous offenses, unless what they did was particularly terrible.

[JBlombier]

I don't think it works like that JBlomier.

I'd say mods do have some discretionary leeway in cases like that. Like, if someone committed an offense 3 years ago, have been active for quite some time since and did something to get an infraction after such a long time of good behaviour, I don't think they'd be following an accumulating punishment scale from back then. That would be kinda pointless to be honest. I think the logical thing in that case is to discount previous offenses, unless what they did was particularly terrible.

Of course I agree with you, because that would be the sensible way of dealing with things. But to be fair, TeeGee's comment didn't sound like that. I hope you're right, though.

[owenshooter]

I don't think it works like that JBlomier.

um, yes it does. no matter what i do, if i get a ban, i am at the 6 month mark, so that is what i get. now, they could step it up to a year if they chose. but, shannon... sorry, honey, it does work that way... and as Tee said, they are trying to change it... with the escalating scale, once you hit the top, there is no reset...-Jésus noir

p.s.-and the community only agreed to the escalating scale ban system in a thread where the bigotry guidelines were made.. then an admin pulled a fast one and said it was for ALL infractions... yeah, that was during the "CLEANSE"...

[Metsfanmax]

but, shannon... sorry, honey

Damn the sexists are out in force in this thread

[BoganGod]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

[BigBallinStalin]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

[DoomYoshi]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

There are three parts of a message - the intent, the composition and the received message.

If the intent and the received message are the same, the composition doesn't matter.

If someone used the word BBS instead of cunt, it would be the same thing.

[Metsfanmax]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

This is an absurd argument since there are many other words which could take its place and so it's not "productive" to use it.

[BigBallinStalin]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

This is an absurd argument since there are many other words which could take its place and so it's not "productive" to use it.

As a thought experiment, ban the use of the word, 'cunt', in NZ and see what your argument misses.

Sure, substitutes abound, but I'm talking about the selection process. Prohibiting use of one word prevents its possible transformation into a more productive use. We're talking about "cunt" and not substitutes. Sanctioning the word, "cunt," reinforces its negative connotation, so people can't use it in a positive sense, so clearly the ban does prevent progress. Such a ban in NZ would clearly ruin its productive use since the government can coerce people--regardless of their use of the word.

[BigBallinStalin]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

There are three parts of a message - the intent, the composition and the received message.

If the intent and the received message are the same, the composition doesn't matter.

If someone used the word BBS instead of cunt, it would be the same thing.

I disagree on a minor point: composition always plays a role since it is what can render the intent and the received message as the same, but I don't see how this is relevant.

[Metsfanmax]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

This is an absurd argument since there are many other words which could take its place and so it's not "productive" to use it.

As a thought experiment, ban the use of the word, 'cunt', in NZ and see what your argument misses.

This is not an informative thought experiment because anyone who would support a ban of the word 'cunt' would believe it never should have been used in a negative way from the beginning, and would have prevented that from developing if they could. Also, this is a bad argument for obvious other reasons -- just because something has value doesn't mean the value outweighs the negative external effects on society. Yes, if we just banned the use of the word in NZ, bad things might happen. But if we banned it everywhere simultaneously, it might make women feel less attacked, and that might outweigh the minor costs in NZ from switching to a different word. I don't know if it would, but you can't neglect this in the cost-benefit analysis. Just because some people only consider one side of an equation, it doesn't give you an excuse to only consider the other side.

Sure, substitutes abound, but I'm talking about the selection process. Prohibiting use of one word prevents its possible transformation into a more productive use. We're talking about "cunt" and not substitutes. Sanctioning the word, "cunt," reinforces its negative connotation, so people can't use it in a positive sense, so clearly the ban does prevent progress. Such a ban in NZ would clearly ruin its productive use since the government can coerce people--regardless of their use of the word.

Yes, but if there are words that could replace cunt that could still be used in a positive sense -- and there are -- then there is no lack of progress. Words are used to exchange ideas, and people will have the same ideas about who are they are talking about -- they will just find different language to express it. In addition, the only thing that is happening is that a word that was previously used in a negative way was flipped around so that it wasn't negative. This would have been unnecessary if the negative uses had never occurred. (This is obvious because if the word had clearly positive and unique uses, it would have developed that way from the start by the people who currently use it now.)

[owenshooter]

the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

[BigBallinStalin]

New Zealand is quite possibly the most gender equal country in the world. First modern democracy to give women the vote, etc. Had a female prime minister for years, long before it was popular. I was shocked when I moved back home to CC(Christchurch), and found woman dropping the C bomb almost as an exclamation mark. Walk into the pub(more agricultural part of town), conversation with a young lady. Talking about a mutual acquaintance. Lady says "Yeah Hari is a funny cunt, real staunch cunt too when he needs to be" Kiwi women have taken the word back, they use CUNT a bit like Australians use BASTARD. The word is not the most hateful word in existence. In some places the word is even bland.
I know when I worked as a bouncer I had a trite response for the frequent occasions I was called a cunt. "I am what I eat, how you goin arsehole?"
'

That's great to hear, but people like Shannon don't care if other people have used the word productively. So long as there one person who might be offended, then the word will be punishable/deemed awful. (Of course, punishing use of the word prevents the path toward its productive use, but it's not like Shannon and others will feel the costs of preventing progress).

This is an absurd argument since there are many other words which could take its place and so it's not "productive" to use it.

As a thought experiment, ban the use of the word, 'cunt', in NZ and see what your argument misses.

This is not an informative thought experiment because anyone who would support a ban of the word 'cunt' would believe it never should have been used in a negative way from the beginning, and would have prevented that from developing if they could. Also, this is a bad argument for obvious other reasons -- just because something has value doesn't mean the value outweighs the negative external effects on society. Yes, if we just banned the use of the word in NZ, bad things might happen. But if we banned it everywhere simultaneously, it might make women feel less attacked, and that might outweigh the minor costs in NZ from switching to a different word. I don't know if it would, but you can't neglect this in the cost-benefit analysis. Just because some people only consider one side of an equation, it doesn't give you an excuse to only consider the other side.

If you want to take the cost-benefit approach, then you'll have to explain how you know the preferences of all individuals involved.

I don't see how curtailing speech rights, no matter how vulgar, is really a job for the state. Social norms? Sure, have at it, but I'm not going to loudly scream my support for overly sensitive people on this issue.

Sure, substitutes abound, but I'm talking about the selection process. Prohibiting use of one word prevents its possible transformation into a more productive use. We're talking about "cunt" and not substitutes. Sanctioning the word, "cunt," reinforces its negative connotation, so people can't use it in a positive sense, so clearly the ban does prevent progress. Such a ban in NZ would clearly ruin its productive use since the government can coerce people--regardless of their use of the word.

Yes, but if there are words that could replace cunt that could still be used in a positive sense -- and there are -- then there is no lack of progress. Words are used to exchange ideas, and people will have the same ideas about who are they are talking about -- they will just find different language to express it. In addition, the only thing that is happening is that a word that was previously used in a negative way was flipped around so that it wasn't negative. This would have been unnecessary if the negative uses had never occurred. (This is obvious because if the word had clearly positive and unique uses, it would have developed that way from the start by the people who currently use it now.)

So, if you ban a word, there'd still be an underlying preference for some to use some other word (e.g. "BBS") in a negative manner. All I'm saying is that banning the word doesn't really solve the problem, but it clearly does ruin one possible path toward progress (e.g. "cunt" in NZ--according to BoganGod).

[BoganGod]

In kiwi bar lingo - bbs your a good cunt, even a sick cunt(sick is really good/rad/stylish, for example fully sick is really off the chain, totally wicked, rmazeng) at times. Owen your a suss(suspicious/suspect/dodgy) cunt. I think Julian Assange is a bit of a dog cunt(dog = low as a dog, informer/boot licker/lackey/grass). Gary is the best cunt I know on this site. anonymus is a ripe cunt.

You cunts, nose what iz bean said? Rite?



Fight the power with the power. We got to take the power back!

Deny, ban, legislate against, just gives a thing power. Prohibition worked? War on drugs? Open your minds conformist sheepies. I know sometimes I've been a dodgy cunt, I am an arrogant cunt, admit to being a dumb cunt on occasion, now I'm officially an old cunt. I know this, only a dopey cunt would think letting people see the word cunt offends you, will get people to stop using it.....

Hugs and kisses, Uncle Bogan

[Shannon Apple]

Bogan, I've heard it used in a jokey context too among lads, but we're talking intentions here. It is not how a word CAN be used, it's how it's intended. During games, people don't use it in a positive/jokey sense, they use it to hit a blow to the other person, in the same context that I described above. Regardless, it's still an ugly word, and so are many of the other terms that are used by the edgy folks.

I have to say that the edgyness is this thread is just... overwhelming.

[Metsfanmax]

If you want to take the cost-benefit approach, then you'll have to explain how you know the preferences of all individuals involved.

You were implicitly taking the cost-benefit approach in your argument. I mean, at some level that has to be part of the calculation for any argument saying that legislation is inappropriate. If legislation really was better than allowing total freedom on a particular issue, and everyone agreed on that point, it would be hard for the anti-statist to levy effective criticism against the legislation. The anti-statist is only able to do this now because of the excessive amount of statism present.

I don't see how curtailing speech rights, no matter how vulgar, is really a job for the state.

I agree. I would never advocate for a ban on such speech. Part of why I wouldn't is that if the only reason people are avoiding the language is because of fear of penalty, then we haven't encouraged them to be better and more compassionate people at heart.

So, if you ban a word, there'd still be an underlying preference for some to use some other word (e.g. "BBS") in a negative manner.

I don't agree that this is obvious. It is the connotation of the word that is important speech, and the problem occurs when the primary connotation of a word is used for derogatory purposes. I would agree with your point if "cunt" just got replaced by "BBS." However, what if we encouraged people to just use perfectly adequate words that already express negative emotions?

All I'm saying is that banning the word doesn't really solve the problem, but it clearly does ruin one possible path toward progress (e.g. "cunt" in NZ--according to BoganGod).

I think this is missing the point, because the progress is only relative to a regressed state (the word cunt was being "reclaimed").

[JBlombier]

I think you're all a bunch of cunts.

[BoganGod]

Bogan, I've heard it used in a jokey context too among lads, but we're talking intentions here. It is not how a word CAN be used, it's how it's intended. During games, people don't use it in a positive/jokey sense, they use it to hit a blow to the other person, in the same context that I described above. Regardless, it's still an ugly word, and so are many of the other terms that are used by the edgy folks.

I have to say that the edgyness is this thread is just... overwhelming.

Context is king or queen. Sometimes the king may well be a queen........ I would argue that cunt is not an ugly word, seeing it as such may well be giving fellow users too much of an insight into how you view your own on rosebud(a word for the female genitals that I find to be offensive in it's blandness).
Fricking and fricken could be viewed as more offensive. As a common meaning for those words is finger banging...... Words only have power if you let them.

[betiko]

I don t get it. For me, in french there is no "master swear word" that beats them all! The worse insults are the one you make up and that can hurt the most the target you aim.
I love how the word cunt sounds, calling someone a fucking cunt, wether it s friendly or not sounds great. When i was in a US university with a bunch of other french students we loved to place a lot that word.
When I lived in the UK, my brit friends were using it all the time.

I was kicked out of tofu because COF saw me use it in a gamechat against a lucky as f*ck opponent in a speed game lulz!

Let the good times roll, the word is awesome, give it a freakin break.