Poaching?

[ViperOverLord]

I don't give a shit about GLG or any of the other conquerors that manipulated their way to the top. I rarely look at the scoreboard. I don't really care about GLG or Blitz, or anyone else getting the rank. Conqueror means nothing. I don't sit around looking a people's games to see if they are doing the right thing or not. I was asking, in general, why do people want the high rank at any cost. I'm not mad, or upset, or anything. Just wondering what people think about it. I was hoping to get some feedback from some of the players that do it. I have, and I'm satisfied. They were pretty much what I thought they would be.

Silly me. I reasonably surmised that you were making a moral judgment against so-called poaching when you led the op with, "Why does everything have to be about the rules. Why can't it be about RIGHT...Or...WRONG."

I'm not bitching about the system. I actually think it's an ok system. I have no problem with different ranks playing each other or the top 100 players hand picking their opponents and situations. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.

Yet the system is not okay. Point minimums for participants would give incentive for players to progress while virtually eliminating the private circles of those that reach brig and higher. Players that reach brig could sustain it while taking on many worthy challengers (instead of relying on so-called poaching). Brig and higher would be a truer measure of who is currently playing well instead of measuring who cares enough to only play very specific types of games.

I love this site. I have no plans to boycot or send lack a PM raising hell about how the site is running. I joined so I could stay in touch with my college buddies and to have a hobby that was cheap. I'll always be a premium and I will never bitch that the system is broken. I think the only gripe I have is that the site doesn't support the add-ons...but for $25 a year I'll take what they give me. I would gladly pay more if they could hire a full time guy to keep all the cool addons running. Find Chipv and pay the guy!

Calling out weaknesses in the system does not imply that anybody hates the site or that he should boycott it.

[chapcrap]

These so called weaker players would be better served to find equitable play partners anyways and thus be motivated to move up the ranks and play stiffer competition. That's how it's done on Yahoo Hearts btw and it works out great.

I agree with this.

Who cares if a little rank segregation is promoted? It won't hurt anything and you don't have to do it if you don't want to.

[Chariot of Fire]

I don't like the inference that players ranked Brig+ only play selected opponents, as that's not the case for some. I reached General in Feb 2009 and maintained that rank for over 28 months and over 2,500 games without hand-picking my opposition or resorting to setting-up private games and inviting the uninitiated. Pretty much all my games have been clan-related or tournies where one doesn't get to choose one's opponents, with maybe just 10-15% being friendly games amongst people with whom I regularly play.

Does it piss me off when I see some people find loopholes to use the system and gain an advantage, both in their games and on the leaderboard? Yeah, you bet it does. Makes the whole point of having ranks and a scoreboard rather irrelevant.

[Gunn217]

I don't like the inference that players ranked Brig+ only play selected opponents, as that's not the case for some. I reached General in Feb 2009 and maintained that rank for over 28 months and over 2,500 games without hand-picking my opposition or resorting to setting-up private games and inviting the uninitiated. Pretty much all my games have been clan-related or tournies where one doesn't get to choose one's opponents, with maybe just 10-15% being friendly games amongst people with whom I regularly play.

Does it piss me off when I see some people find loopholes to use the system and gain an advantage, both in their games and on the leaderboard? Yeah, you bet it does. Makes the whole point of having ranks and a scoreboard rather irrelevant.

Cheers CoF, that's how I imagine the best players treat the system.

[ljex]

I don't like the inference that players ranked Brig+ only play selected opponents, as that's not the case for some. I reached General in Feb 2009 and maintained that rank for over 28 months and over 2,500 games without hand-picking my opposition or resorting to setting-up private games and inviting the uninitiated. Pretty much all my games have been clan-related or tournies where one doesn't get to choose one's opponents, with maybe just 10-15% being friendly games amongst people with whom I regularly play.

Does it piss me off when I see some people find loopholes to use the system and gain an advantage, both in their games and on the leaderboard? Yeah, you bet it does. Makes the whole point of having ranks and a scoreboard rather irrelevant.

I don't hand select opponents though either...i'm currently at general and yet im pretty sure you and others alike would think that i don't deserve the rank because i did so through mostly freestyle games.

[ViperOverLord]

I don't like the inference that players ranked Brig+ only play selected opponents, as that's not the case for some. I reached General in Feb 2009 and maintained that rank for over 28 months and over 2,500 games without hand-picking my opposition or resorting to setting-up private games and inviting the uninitiated. Pretty much all my games have been clan-related or tournies where one doesn't get to choose one's opponents, with maybe just 10-15% being friendly games amongst people with whom I regularly play.

Does it piss me off when I see some people find loopholes to use the system and gain an advantage, both in their games and on the leaderboard? Yeah, you bet it does. Makes the whole point of having ranks and a scoreboard rather irrelevant.

I don't hand select opponents though either...i'm currently at general and yet im pretty sure you and others alike would think that i don't deserve the rank because i did so through mostly freestyle games.

As Clint Eastwood once said, "deserves gots nothing to do with it." They system is what it is. My point is that this societal pressure to get people to play certain games for certain reasons is lame. Players needn't worry about perception when clearly all of the top 100 are hand selecting games/methodologies to sustain their ranking.

Nobody over 3500 points is exclusively just joining 1 v 1 tourney and public sequential games. NOBODY.

All of the top 100 have stacked teams, are freestyle masters and/or play multi games vs other high rankers, etc. And again, I'm not saying that they should be condemned for it. It is what is. It is what the system is. When cc wants to get serious about changing that, they'll get serious about changing it. In the meantime we shouldn't be demonizing each other for it.

[chapcrap]

I don't like the inference that players ranked Brig+ only play selected opponents, as that's not the case for some. I reached General in Feb 2009 and maintained that rank for over 28 months and over 2,500 games without hand-picking my opposition or resorting to setting-up private games and inviting the uninitiated. Pretty much all my games have been clan-related or tournies where one doesn't get to choose one's opponents, with maybe just 10-15% being friendly games amongst people with whom I regularly play.

Does it piss me off when I see some people find loopholes to use the system and gain an advantage, both in their games and on the leaderboard? Yeah, you bet it does. Makes the whole point of having ranks and a scoreboard rather irrelevant.

I nominate CoF for the new Conqueror.

As Clint Eastwood once said, "deserves gots nothing to do with it."

Nevermind, whenever you quote Clint Eastwood, you get my vote. nominate VOL instead.