Abuse of power

by **HighlanderAttack** on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:33 pm

The way I look at it--If you have to cheat to win a game or gain points--what is the use of even playing. If I ever had to stoop that low I would just quit because it is fake anyway. I have no respect for this guy and I doubt many other players will ever have any respect for him. Warn him, ban him, shoot him--I really do not care. To me he is just a loser who has to cheat to keep his so called great rank--laughable

As a side note, this is the first time I have ever agreed with AoG an owen on any subject so I think that means a lot

by **QoH** on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:35 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:point collecting until now has been defined as farming new recruits for the most part QoH.

Not exactly... farming NRs is usually called farming...

by **Night Strike** on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:35 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Night Strike wrote: I'm just saying that owen's crying out for point resets, permabans, etc. are WAY over the top.

hardly.. he used his MOD powers to CHEAT. that is about as bad of an infraction as you can muster up on this site! you can not separate the infractions!!! there is no way to do it. it has to be viewed in it's entirety. you are trying to lessen the blow by declaring the point gathering to have nothing to do with being a mod. again, he used his mod powers to garner the points... it is just beyone the pale... CC is looking bad, and if the punishment is a slap on the wrist as it usually is for mods and cheating conquerors, you are going to feel it in your pocketbook...-el Jesus negro

p.s.-and now eye84free has a C&A opened about him too... this is getting worse and worse... i hope that is not true...

I don't get a full pocketbook from CC, so I won't be feeling it either way.

I agree that it's horrible for a mod to cheat, but that doesn't mean the first punishment should be something like a permanent ban from the site. A warning for illegal point gaining, stripping of hunting tools, and possibly a removal of all moderator positions would be an ample punishment for this type of possible infraction. It's hardly a slap on the wrist for someone that has been a longtime moderator (and has been above the board until these allegations). Even wicked, who was using hunting tools for personal gains (not even CC gains like points) didn't get a punishment as harsh as the one you're trying to throw on Masli. She was only banned for trying to lead a post-removal riot, not because of the actual infraction that caused her to lose her moderator position.

by **Night Strike** on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:44 pm

QoH wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
QoH wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:well spoken night strike, with actual examples of previous(similar) infractions

Number one, what's so special about what NS posted, except clarifying that illegal point collecting isn't a site infraction?
Number two, he never used any actual examples of previous infractions...

Illegal point collecting IS a site infraction, but it doesn't result in an immediate point reset and website ban like owen was referring to.

First of all, meant to add in "major" before "site infraction" don't know how I left that out of there.

So your post would now read "except clarifying that illegal point collecting isn't a major site infraction"? If that's what you meant, you're still incorrect. In the community guidelines, there are major and minor infractions. Minor infractions are things like spamming, trolling, flaming, etc. Major site infractions are things like bigotry and posting pornography. Point dumping and Point collecting are considered Special Major Site Infractions. This means they follow the regular escalating system of bans as major infractions (1st offense a warning, 2nd offense a 1 month ban), but it also has an additional punishment for repeat offenders: a points reset. Only breaking Rule 1 or Rule 2 can result in a steeper ban faster.

jgordon1111 wrote:owen it hasnt been declared illegal yet(it has never happened before)therefore not defined in the rules as wrong.

jgordon, just stop trying to argue on this topic. Your "sentences" just all run together so they're nearly impossible to read, and the argument I've quoted above is just plain dumb. If the admins feel that Masli has abused his position as a moderator, they may relieve him of his duties (hence KA's original comment about this being an internal matter) whether it's specially written into any site rules or not. And if they think this type of action falls under illegal point collecting (or any other type of gross abuse of the game), they can warn him for that too. If he's found guilty, he's not going to go unpunished simply because this exact scenario has never been codified to be against the rules.

by **Robinette** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:36 am

i need the fair and balanced news update on this topic please...

so many pages to read, and so many points and counter points...
can someone just do the recap of where this is now, and where it is going please

so far, this seems to be the best recap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MGOckIzlU

by **grifftron** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:48 am

If he was stripped of being C&A mod and his tools as a MH I would be happy... he already is a mod of 2-3-4-5 different areas on the site... lack of staff or just trying to cover it all?

by **owenshooter** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:33 am

i think we all need to pause and give NS a break... the boy is bringing it for the other side and you have to give him some props, he is keeping it lively!!! enjoying your post NS, and i love how the discourse is continuing and evolving... this is how the forums USED TO BE!!! i am proud of the CC community during moments like this... and as usualy, NS is the only mod willing to stick his head in here and attempt to give VALID and LUCID counter points to the arguments and accusations. say what you want about him, but he is in here and the admins, C&A mods aren't. you are a good mod NS, even though we disagree most of the time...-el Jesus negro

by **IR1SH ACE** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:43 am

have been following this from the start and have to agree that this is an abuse of power and seems once again to taint the top of the scoreboard.....

Im am happy to wait and see the outcome reached by the admins and will continue to follow this till then, I just have one request can jgordon1111 please stop posting....each time I scroll through the latest posts and come across one of your posts(which are a few). I do a big eyeroll.... :roll:

15 posts in this topic and all keep repeating the same line...."its not written in the rules"...why would there be a rule saying "if you become multi hunter dont join games of multis then kick them out to collect easy points"....the same way there is no rule saying "if you become a mod dont ban people without merit/dont delete posts or lock threads because they dont agree with you"...

I do not know how the inner workings of CC is managed but i would imagine that there is some more rules that relate to mods in there own Forums or maybe they are just sent a PM welcoming them abroad team CC when they first become a mod that stats NO ABUSE OF POWER.....

so please do us all a favour and let it go......if u cant see that this is wrong then i dont know what to say....

Cheers Ace

by **GoranZ** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:10 pm

QoH wrote:Ok, so I"m saying the multi gets another 7 days on the site. Oh noes! BIIIIIIIIIG impact right there. I really don't give a f*ck about all these multis since most of them are dumb fucks and are still low ranked, but also because I hardly play multi player games. I always play 1v1 or teams where multis don't matter.

But, here's what I'm pissed with. The fact that when Masli started losing a game against a 1 striper, he banned him. I don't know if it was a rightful ban or not, but the fact the he's able to do that when he starts losing is bullshit. b00006 or whatever the hell his handle is, has to wait a couple days before getting the multi busted. I'm not saying Masli should file a full report, but I don't think you should be allowed to bust players in your own game.

Metsfanmax wrote:Look, all I'm trying to say here is that when you have people that both play a game and moderate it, there is going to be inevitable conflict of interest. Envision this hypothetical scenario, just as an example: Masli is in a tournament and has won a few rounds. For his next round, he knows who the opponent is going to be already and realizes that his opponent is far better at the map they will be playing than he is. So, he scans the guy and realizes he is a multi. Should he wait until the tournament is over to ban the guy?

Another hypothetical is that Masli has a friend who is playing a game and asks Masli to scan the opponents just in case. Masli finds that one of the opponents is indeed a multi. Should he wait until after the game is over to the ban the guy?

There are an incredible number of problems that one creates when you have the volunteer/player situation that we have. It's one that we have to live with. Maybe what Masli did is indeed over the line, but I want everyone to recognize that he is not in an easy situation here. He has to balance his desires as a player and competitor with his obligations to the staff. All of us on Team CC have to. This is very much not a black and white situation and if you think it is, just try to picture yourself in his position, constantly juggling hats of both staff member, multi hunter, clan leader, competitor, etc. So please, take it easy on him. If you think he did something wrong, say so -- but let all sides be heard.

There is a solution for this kind of problems in RL... Cops are not on duty for 24/7, they usually are 8 hours, rest of the time they do usual things like any other non cops. Masli and eye didn't do this, although hey should have. They should have been players or volunteer but not volunteer and player at the same time.

Now the problem is that masli and eye created problems for the multi hunters that will replace them. Next MH will not be able to say I'm done playing for today lets hunt some multies since he might played with some of them. Next MH will have a lot less power because of someone elses misuse of the power before them, and that will lead to reduced efficiency.

Basically masli and eye created a problems from something that should be a problem at all.

Night Strike wrote:Both CAN happen (and probably could if he is found guilty). I'm just saying that owen's crying out for point resets, permabans, etc. are WAY over the top.

If found guilty they should be treated as such... They created very big problem for CC, not just now but in the future. That should be included in their "achievements" also.

by **freakns** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:22 pm

you ppl have waaaaaaaaaaay too much free time...

by **GeneralRisk** on Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:21 pm

"GoranZ"That should be included in their "achievements" also.

I agree wholeheartedly.

by **whitestazn88** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:55 pm

Didn't read the whole thread, but I have one major issue.

NS claimed that Christmas is the most celebrated holiday in the world. I would argue that more people throughout the world celebrate new years day, because regardless of religious calendars, all countries in the world (i believe) recognize the gregorian calendar as the standard.

STOP THE MODS FROM ABUSING POWERS AND MAKING UP HOLIDAY FACTS!

by **GeneralRisk** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:56 pm

It appears Masli has been stripped of all his Mod duties...............................memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=90251....update....I now hear a rumor that he has resigned his mod positions

by **chapcrap** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:46 pm

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=56445&view=unread#p3519389

by **betiko** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:53 pm

I think that if masli stepped down himself he did the right thing for his reputation and for team cc's reputation.
and the new rule created by KA seems fair, obviously this won't happen again.

by **Bruceswar** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:05 pm

I will make one post on this topic then leave it alone. Anybody who knows Masli at all knows he is by the books all the time. To say he tried to cheat the system is absurd. You guys might all wonder why Masli has not said anything. It is something called holidays. He has been out till today only to find his inbox with lots of PM's and BS on the forums. Masli was the best multi hunter bar none. No offense to anybody else on the team but he was by far the best. Even before he was a hunter he was busting people all the time. As one who has been around Masli for some time and known him to bust tons of people. Yes he will even bust a friend if he has to. JustB comes to mind. Point is all of you want to presume he is guilty before he even speaks one word. Personally I do not blame Masli for stepping down and not dealing with unneeded BS in his life. Life is too short to deal with false reports and assumptions made by people who know nothing about him. Numbers can be turned anyway you like. If you really think masli was after a few points you are all sorely mistaken. Masli did not care about the points at this time in his cc career. Did masli want to win? sure he did. Did masli love busting multis. Ofc... maybe even more than playing the game. It is a shame to see one of the CC greats go like this. And by like this I mean pushed out before he had a chance to speak. To all you haters out there, you win. At least in yours eyes. To the people who really know Masli they know what he did and did not do, as does he. Masli did more for CC than many of you will know. Everything from multi hunting to clan work, to live chat modding. He was just the ultimate CC person and a good guy. For Shame.

by **Lindax** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:37 pm

Good post Bruce, except for one sentence: "Point is all of you want to presume he is guilty before he even speaks one word."

That's just as much BS as many other things said about this case.

Lx

by **jefjef** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:43 pm

Yes - Excellent post bruce.

Lindax wrote:Good post Bruce, except for one sentence: "Point is all of you want to presume he is guilty before he even speaks one word."

That's just as much BS as many other things said about this case.

Lx

Lx. I bet bruce just mistyped and left "who" out of that sentence...

by **DiM** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:49 pm

Bruceswar wrote:I will make one post on this topic then leave it alone. Anybody who knows Masli at all knows he is by the books all the time. To say he tried to cheat the system is absurd. You guys might all wonder why Masli has not said anything. It is something called holidays. He has been out till today only to find his inbox with lots of PM's and BS on the forums. Masli was the best multi hunter bar none. No offense to anybody else on the team but he was by far the best. Even before he was a hunter he was busting people all the time. As one who has been around Masli for some time and known him to bust tons of people. Yes he will even bust a friend if he has to. JustB comes to mind. Point is all of you want to presume he is guilty before he even speaks one word. Personally I do not blame Masli for stepping down and not dealing with unneeded BS in his life. Life is too short to deal with false reports and assumptions made by people who know nothing about him. Numbers can be turned anyway you like. If you really think masli was after a few points you are all sorely mistaken. Masli did not care about the points at this time in his cc career. Did masli want to win? sure he did. Did masli love busting multis. Ofc... maybe even more than playing the game. It is a shame to see one of the CC greats go like this. And by like this I mean pushed out before he had a chance to speak. To all you haters out there, you win. At least in yours eyes. To the people who really know Masli they know what he did and did not do, as does he. Masli did more for CC than many of you will know. Everything from multi hunting to clan work, to live chat modding. He was just the ultimate CC person and a good guy. For Shame.

i wholeheartedly agree

by **Bruceswar** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:53 pm

Lindax wrote:Good post Bruce, except for one sentence: "Point is all of you want to presume he is guilty before he even speaks one word."

That's just as much BS as many other things said about this case.

Lx

Sorry I did mean those of you. Not everybody as I know everybody did not think so.

by **merch313** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:01 pm

Well said mate...Nothing more to add but I ♥ Masli

by **John Deere** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:12 pm

owenshooter wrote:
The Voice wrote:I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

about time someone from team CC steps up and speaks their mind... i'm sure it isn't a popular move, but you just gained mega street cred in the forums...-el Jesus negro

+1 Bravo Voice for telling it how it is!

by **nippersean** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:32 pm

Good post Bruce, tho I don't think anyone is a "hater" or dislikes Masli. Maybe the odd post came over strong. But you have totally missed the point.

Still one question - how many games have you played in when the opponent(s) got busted for multi?

My score is 1. What's yours? Masli appeared to be hitting 40%

by **drunkmonkey** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:37 pm

nippersean wrote:Good post Bruce, tho I don't think anyone is a "hater" or dislikes Masli. Maybe the odd post came over strong. But you have totally missed the point.

Still one question - how many games have you played in when the opponent(s) got busted for multi?

My score is 1. What's yours? Masli appeared to be hitting 40%

Your math skills are atrocious.

by **Great-Ollie** on Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:45 pm

Here come all the KORT members to the defence of the biggest cheater on CC! Look at the facts, i have and it is purely a case of abuse by masli, period. I think he stepped down because he knew where the investigation was headed. He joined 2 games against the same guy SandForBrains. In these games he was risking around 80 points if he lost. The kicker was in both games he joined was on ALL YOUR BASES BELONG TO US. masli is now 2 for 2 on that map, SO he joined those games on a map he had never played? LOL simple, he knew he was not going to lose before he did it, or why else would he join against a private multiple times, on a map he had NEVER played. That is just one of many similar cases when it comes to masli. So he stripped some of my clan members medals for no reason, yet he abuses a major infraction according to the written rules? He deserves a vacation, period. Have a happy new year everyone.