Abuse of power

[QoH]

I"m not going to admit that. Besides, what I'm saying is wrong is that he shouldn't be allowed to bust multis in the middle of the game and wrongfully get those points. Either let the game play out (1v1s take a week at most, and if the player is freemium, how many more games are they gonna go win?) or check the games beforehand!

You're contradicting yourself. If you think the game should play out, then you are saying that the multi should be let off the hook. You're saying that they should be given more time to break the rules on CC. You can't talk your way out of that. That's exactly what you're saying, and I want you to recognize it. No one is recognizing it. Everyone is so worried about Masli not getting free points that it honestly looks you all are on the multis' side here. I can't believe anyone is saying multis should not immediately be banned when found out.

Ok, so I"m saying the multi gets another 7 days on the site. Oh noes! BIIIIIIIIIG impact right there. I really don't give a f*ck about all these multis since most of them are dumb fucks and are still low ranked, but also because I hardly play multi player games. I always play 1v1 or teams where multis don't matter.

But, here's what I'm pissed with. The fact that when Masli started losing a game against a 1 striper, he banned him. I don't know if it was a rightful ban or not, but the fact the he's able to do that when he starts losing is bullshit. b00006 or whatever the hell his handle is, has to wait a couple days before getting the multi busted. I'm not saying Masli should file a full report, but I don't think you should be allowed to bust players in your own game.

[Metsfanmax]

Look, all I'm trying to say here is that when you have people that both play a game and moderate it, there is going to be inevitable conflict of interest. Envision this hypothetical scenario, just as an example: Masli is in a tournament and has won a few rounds. For his next round, he knows who the opponent is going to be already and realizes that his opponent is far better at the map they will be playing than he is. So, he scans the guy and realizes he is a multi. Should he wait until the tournament is over to ban the guy?

Another hypothetical is that Masli has a friend who is playing a game and asks Masli to scan the opponents just in case. Masli finds that one of the opponents is indeed a multi. Should he wait until after the game is over to the ban the guy?

There are an incredible number of problems that one creates when you have the volunteer/player situation that we have. It's one that we have to live with. Maybe what Masli did is indeed over the line, but I want everyone to recognize that he is not in an easy situation here. He has to balance his desires as a player and competitor with his obligations to the staff. All of us on Team CC have to. This is very much not a black and white situation and if you think it is, just try to picture yourself in his position, constantly juggling hats of both staff member, multi hunter, clan leader, competitor, etc. So please, take it easy on him. If you think he did something wrong, say so -- but let all sides be heard.

[jaimito101]

Ok so i looked at the games involving the most luck, seeing that it would probably be unreasonable for masli to join these.
1vs1, auto deploy, sequential, flat rate.

of the last 9 all 9 where busted as multi! (having 2 games become guests afterwards)

Game 9966184 = was not booted, but is now a guest, so probably masli knew he had insurance where he to end up loosing.
Game 9504665 = same as above

I don't know Masli and I believe he did a lot for the site, but it is clear he was developing a bad habbit, the mods also realize this. The question now, how to clean this up.

[EagleofGreenErth]

Throwing a blanket over a pile of shit wont get rid of the smell.

[owenshooter]

he betrayed the site owner, the site admins, the site moderators and mostly THE CUSTOMERS both paying and non-paying. this is huge. a site ban seems really appropriate in this case. you ban users for 6 months or FOREVER for words they post in the forums that truly do not affect the site. THESE ACTIONS by a mod affect not only the scoreboard but the integrity of the mods, admins and site. this user should be removed.-el Jesus negro

p.s.-and can someone point me in the direction of a thread about this alleged eye84free abuse using the same method?

[GeneralRisk]

Ok so i looked at the games involving the most luck, seeing that it would probably be unreasonable for masli to join these.
1vs1, auto deploy, sequential, flat rate.

of the last 9 all 9 where busted as multi! (having 2 games become guests afterwards)

Game 9966184 = was not booted, but is now a guest, so probably masli knew he had insurance where he to end up loosing.
Game 9504665 = same as above

I don't know Masli and I believe he did a lot for the site, but it is clear he was developing a bad habbit, the mods also realize this. The question now, how to clean this up.

If you look at Game 9966184 and check out the so called multi, then you well see that the multi played 6 games total and of the 6, masli played him 3 of the 6 on the city mogul map. The first 2 games masli went first and won..The last game the multi went first and was banned after masli took his turn.

[jaimito101]

Ok so i looked at the games involving the most luck, seeing that it would probably be unreasonable for masli to join these.
1vs1, auto deploy, sequential, flat rate.

of the last 9 all 9 where busted as multi! (having 2 games become guests afterwards)

Game 9966184 = was not booted, but is now a guest, so probably masli knew he had insurance where he to end up loosing.
Game 9504665 = same as above

I don't know Masli and I believe he did a lot for the site, but it is clear he was developing a bad habbit, the mods also realize this. The question now, how to clean this up.

If you look at Game 9966184 and check out the so called multi, then you well see that the multi played 6 games total and of the 6, masli played him 3 of the 6 on the city mogul map. The first 2 games masli went first and won..The last game the multi went first and was banned after masli took his turn.

indeed, doesn't look good.

[DogAlmighty]

A rather pathetic abuse of power, really. The correct way to abuse this sort of power would be to systematicaly ban every player above you on the score board. Then ban anyone who makes a case about it.

Thanks, Masli for always being helpful in Live Chat when I popped in with a question. I appreciated that. You and your points deserve each other, mate.

[Nola_Lifer]

I think yall are looking for this term "Cui bono." -the black roman

[jgordon1111]

now someone has finally brought a good argument to this topic,other than lets hang masli.Lets call for this action to be taken if we are all worried about points and multi's and this is the issue here,not lets hang a mod,ask that any game that has a multi in it no points are given for beating the multi, but points can be recieved for beating the other players in the game. If it is a 1vs1 game then moot point nothing gained nothing lost. No matter what the outcome with masli,the best thing if proven that in the games he busted the multi's in,if he beyond a doubt knew they were multi's he loses those points. Other than that in all fairness because of no clearly defined previous rule on this,adjust the rules to reflect that from here forward this is illegal and shall be dealt with in a specific manner in the future. I know that to most of you who only want hellfire and damnation this is not acceptable, but under the circumstances it seems the actual only real fair way to resolve this.

[owenshooter]

it seems the actual only real fair way to resolve this.

fair? how many CC users have illegally gathered points this way? 2? and illegal point gathering is against the rules and is a major infraction. fair is enforcing the rules, stripping the abusers of their mod powers, a point reset and a lengthy vacation if not a perma-ban. this abuse betrayed the site owner, site admins, users, mods, etc... there is no excuse for this. there is no "it was an innocent mistake". this is absolute garbage and CC needs to take out the trash...-el Jesus negro

p.s.-that last line just came to me.. i might start writing an action/thriller screen play based entirely around that one line!

[JoshyBoy]

fair? how many CC users have illegally gathered points this way? 2? and illegal point gathering is against the rules and is a major infraction. fair is enforcing the rules, stripping the abusers of their mod powers, a point reset and a lengthy vacation if not a perma-ban. this abuse betrayed the site owner, site admins, users, mods, etc... there is no excuse for this. there is no "it was an innocent mistake". this is absolute garbage and CC needs to take out the trash...-el Jesus negro

You know, that makes it sound like Masli killed someone.

Just a thought for everyone, at what point did everyone forget that this is just a game and has no real meaning to our lives? (If it does, you need to re-evaluate your life!) Regardless of whether or not Masli has done wrong, he hasn't broken any laws, and isn't necessarily a bad person. Why are we making such a big deal out of this? It's not like he's bringing the Apocalypse upon us. Or is he....

[jgordon1111]

LOL I swear I never thought the day would come LMAO, joshy I agree with you. Yes it is a game,and the hang em high group has forgotten this maybe. Shoot I say we find were Masli lives and give him fifty lashes with a wet noodle,mulligan the first forty-nine but give him the last one for sure,it's got to be done so some of us can sleep easy knowing that our vengeful justice has been carried out.

[jgordon1111]

sorry to second post but I see evil semp lurking,you can get his ip adress and lead us all there for our rightful $25 dollar player justice,yes? Please oh please so some of cc community can sleep tonight

[tec805]

You know, that makes it sound like Masli killed someone.

When people spend as many hours/days/weeks/months/years on this site, working on medals, rank, tournaments, wars, post count, being part of the community or clan, they tend to start caring about it. LackAttack needs people to be involved and care or they will drift away. Piss enough people off or make it boring and the site will suffer. This type of cheating will probably be swept under the rug and only a hand full of people will moan about it for a little while then it will be forgotten. Occasionally it will be brought up and people will say "Really? When did that happen?". Just like blitz, masli will need to drop down the scoreboard to help people "forget".

We can't vote, we have no power but the power of our wallets.

[Night Strike]

it seems the actual only real fair way to resolve this.

fair? how many CC users have illegally gathered points this way? 2? and illegal point gathering is against the rules and is a major infraction. fair is enforcing the rules, stripping the abusers of their mod powers, a point reset and a lengthy vacation if not a perma-ban. this abuse betrayed the site owner, site admins, users, mods, etc... there is no excuse for this. there is no "it was an innocent mistake". this is absolute garbage and CC needs to take out the trash...-el Jesus negro

p.s.-that last line just came to me.. i might start writing an action/thriller screen play based entirely around that one line!

Actually, the proper punishment for a user's first offense of illegal point collecting (up until now only pertaining to point dumping) is a formal warning. There are no site bans. There are no point resets. Just a formal disciplinary warning and a reminder that a second infraction will result in a point reset and 1 month ban from the site. That's from the player-side of this case.

As for the moderator portion of this case (assuming he's found guilty of abuse), it'll be up to the admins to determine if Masli can get just a warning and continue as a hunter or if he will have to relinquish his hunting tools. They will also have to determine if he will be allowed to continue as a Clan Director (if he would even want to at that point).

The portions of this case are separate in my mind. If Masli is guilty of abusing his moderator position, he should have that position re-evaluated. If he's guilty of illegal point collecting, he should be disciplined just like any other user would be disciplined. You can't exponentially magnify his potential punishment simply because he is a mod.

[QoH]

The portions of this case are separate in my mind. If Masli is guilty of abusing his moderator position, he should have that position re-evaluated. If he's guilty of illegal point collecting, he should be disciplined just like any other user would be disciplined. You can't exponentially magnify his potential punishment simply because he is a mod.

But can't both happen? If he's guilty of illegal point collecting because he's abusing his MH tools, isn't that a doubles whammy? Or are they treated separately?

[jgordon1111]

well spoken night strike, with actual examples of previous(similar) infractions

[QoH]

well spoken night strike, with actual examples of previous(similar) infractions

Number one, what's so special about what NS posted, except clarifying that illegal point collecting isn't a site infraction?
Number two, he never used any actual examples of previous infractions...

[jgordon1111]

QoH exactly it is not a site infraction thank you for again pointing that out it needs to be constantly reiterated in this forum. and second actually he did he pointed out that every other person who has been punished previously for a similar infraction exactly what types and limits of punishment was received. None of this point reset business no perma ban none of the punishments that have been called for on a case that has not yet been proven.

[Night Strike]

well spoken night strike, with actual examples of previous(similar) infractions

Number one, what's so special about what NS posted, except clarifying that illegal point collecting isn't a site infraction?
Number two, he never used any actual examples of previous infractions...

Illegal point collecting IS a site infraction, but it doesn't result in an immediate point reset and website ban like owen was referring to.

I didn't cite any actual case because I don't care enough to look any up (although I know they exist because I've discussed several in mod forums). I actually just posted information from our moderator guidelines for how to handle a point collecting situation.

The portions of this case are separate in my mind. If Masli is guilty of abusing his moderator position, he should have that position re-evaluated. If he's guilty of illegal point collecting, he should be disciplined just like any other user would be disciplined. You can't exponentially magnify his potential punishment simply because he is a mod.

But can't both happen? If he's guilty of illegal point collecting because he's abusing his MH tools, isn't that a doubles whammy? Or are they treated separately?

Both CAN happen (and probably could if he is found guilty). I'm just saying that owen's crying out for point resets, permabans, etc. are WAY over the top.

[jgordon1111]

Then NS I stand corrected on your post,let me put it this way then,This supposed infraction is not actually defined until now as illegal,If what happened is found to be illegal,then let the punishment be the same as the similar offenders in the past

[owenshooter]

I'm just saying that owen's crying out for point resets, permabans, etc. are WAY over the top.

hardly.. he used his MOD powers to CHEAT. that is about as bad of an infraction as you can muster up on this site! you can not separate the infractions!!! there is no way to do it. it has to be viewed in it's entirety. you are trying to lessen the blow by declaring the point gathering to have nothing to do with being a mod. again, he used his mod powers to garner the points... it is just beyond the pale... CC is looking bad, and if the punishment is a slap on the wrist as it usually is for mods and cheating conquerors, you are going to feel it in your pocketbook...-el Jesus negro

p.s.-and now eye84free has a C&A opened about him too... this is getting worse and worse... i hope that is not true...

[QoH]

well spoken night strike, with actual examples of previous(similar) infractions

Number one, what's so special about what NS posted, except clarifying that illegal point collecting isn't a site infraction?
Number two, he never used any actual examples of previous infractions...

Illegal point collecting IS a site infraction, but it doesn't result in an immediate point reset and website ban like owen was referring to.

First of all, meant to add in "major" before "site infraction" don't know how I left that out of there.

Then NS I stand corrected on your post,let me put it this way then,This supposed infraction is not actually defined until now as illegal,If what happened is found to be illegal,then let the punishment be the same as the similar offenders in the past

WTF are you talking about? EVERYONE has been saying that point collecting is illegal!

[jgordon1111]

owen it hasnt been declared illegal yet(it has never happened before)therefore not defined in the rules as wrong.For all intents and purposes he was busting multi's what his voluntary job here on CC is,and again it has been posted by KA that masli did not bust all of the multi's in his games. I am failing to see how this calls for a more severe punishment than other players who broke rules knowingly at the time they did it. I mean the clearly defined rules that are posted written out for all to read. And before you tell me owen I backed you when you got banned for telling the truth. And I backed the pack for getting screwed out of their medals. So no all I am saying is if masli is found in the wrong no more punishment should be given than to any other player, especially for as of until now undefined rule infraction.point collecting until now has been defined as farming new recruits for the most part QoH.